Ladies, Please Be Careful

[summers]

Here's just a short list of all the violence happening against women lately. Please be safe in this fucked up world.

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Ashling Murphy: thousands attend vigil for Irish teacher killed going for run

Killing of 23-year-old in County Offaly has provoked outpouring of grief and anger in Ireland and beyond

www.theguardian.com

UCLA grad student fatally stabbed while working at high-end LA furniture store

A UCLA grad student was fatally stabbed by a random maniac while she was working as a consultant at a high-end furniture store in Los Angeles last Thursday, reports said.

nypost.com

Mumbai: Man pushes woman in front of moving train after she refuses to marry him

The incident happened at Mumbai's Khar railway station on Friday evening.

www.dnaindia.com

Vigil held for woman pushed in front of train and killed by stranger in NYC

Dozens of New Yorkers gathered at Times Square to remember Michelle Go, the woman who was pushed in front of a subway train.

abcnews.go.com

Los Angeles nurse dies after being attacked at bus stop | CNN

A woman is dead after she was attacked while waiting for a bus in downtown last week, according to the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD).

www.cnn.com

Thousands sign petition to prosecute judge who overturned teen’s rape conviction

‘You have just basically not given my daughter any justice,’ girl’s father says

www.independent.co.uk

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I can't imagine any of it, but getting pushed in front of a subway train? Holy shit.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Not to undermine the reality of violence against women but i dont see the reason behind this specific isolation of the issue as if it is an emerging phenomena in our times Or ever. How about everyone just be careful out there and watch out for their wellbeing as well as their loved ones instead?

 

[summers]

Not to undermine the reality of violence against women but i dont see the reason behind this special isolation of the issue as if it is an emerging phenomena in our times Or ever. How about everyone just be careful out there and watch out for their wellbeing as well as their loved ones instead?

Because women are being targeted in these attacks, not men. Please don't marginalize the threat against women by saying men are as much at risk - that seems very misogynistic on your part.

 

[lostautist]

That's all horrible.

I read about something that happened here that really freaked me out. Yes, everyone please be careful.

 

[summers]

That's all horrible.

I read about something that happened here that really freaked me out. Yes, everyone please be careful.

The sad part is, I wasn't even searching - these just kept popping up as I scrolled on MSN.

 

[StarryStarry]

This is one FUCKED up world. Used to not be this way - sad

 

[summers]

This is one FUCKED up world. Used to not be this way - sad

Trust me, these stories are just the PG version of how fucked things are. If I searched, I could find things that would make most ss members ignore this thread.

 

[StarryStarry]

Trust me, these stories are just the PG version of how fucked things are. If I searched, I could find things that would make most ss members ignore this thread.

No doubt. It makes me so sad that the young people today don't know what it's like to go to school without fear, or girls who have a crush on a boy not get the shit beat out of them. Life was so different years ago. Yeah Yeah I know I'm an old fart.

 

[summers]

These are brutal - read with caution:

Horror of Christian/Newsom killings in focus: What happened on Chipman Street

In one of Knoxville's most horrific crimes, Channon Christian, 21, and boyfriend Christopher Newsom, 23, were carjacked, kidnapped, raped and slain in January 2007.

www.knoxnews.com

Two teens who terrorized elderly woman sentenced to 30 years in prison

Raymond Miranda, 15, and Ruben Melanson, 16, pleaded guilty to charges related to the attack last April in California. The woman, named as Jane Doe, 87, was assaulted using knives and bottles.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Crazy4u]

very underrated subject

 

[summers]

This poor girl was raped and disemboweled. At least they executed her attackers. In the US, they get to spend the rest of their lived with shelter, food, and healthcare.

Doctor: Young woman gang-raped in India dies | CNN

An Indian woman whose gang rape on a bus in New Delhi spawned days of protests has died, a doctor said Friday.

www.cnn.com

7 years after bus rape and murder shocked the world, attackers hanged in New Delhi | CNN

Four men have been executed for the gang rape and murder of a 23-year-old student on a New Delhi bus in 2012, a case that shone a global spotlight on shocking rates of sexual assault in India.

www.cnn.com

 

[Snake of Eden]

Because women are being targeted in these attacks, not men. Please don't marginalize the threat against women by saying men are as much at risk - that seems very misogynistic on your part.

I am not misogynist like you accuse me of as I started by acknowledging the reality of violence against women. It just saddens me when grievances are politicized in a manner that isolate us from one another. I believe we should stand up for all our grievances as collective men, women, old, young, black, white, natives, arabs, asians, christians, muslims, hindus, buddists,athiests, gays, trans. We all should stick for each other when we feel at attack without having to isolate ourselves and making one group is the ultimate victim and who dares to say something like I am attemting to say the right out get accused of being misogynist??! Isolating ourselves further serves nothing but more paranoia and endless schism and hate. Just because i dare insinuate that i become a misogynist . Thank you for your kindness

Tip: keep on politicizing and isolating your specific issue and see if you will gain a true sympathy from the rest of the world if you are competing with other groups for the ultimate victim trophy instead of learning to sympathize with one another. This is bullshit

 

[summers]

I am not misogynist like you accuse me of as I started by acknowledging the reality of violence against women. It just saddens me when grievances are politicized in a manner that isolate us from one another. I believe we should stand up for all our grievances as collective men, women, old, young, black, white, natives, arabs, asians, christians, muslims, hindus, buddists,athiests, gays, trans. We all should stick for each other when we feel at attack without having to isolate ourselves and making one group is the ultimate victim and who dares to say something like I am attemting to see the right out get accused of being misogynist??! Isolating ourselves further serves nothing but more paranoia and endless schism and hate. Just because i dare insinuate that i become a misogynist . Thank you for your kindness

Then post your stories of men getting attacked the same way. Of ex girlfriends raping, stabbing, choking, and killing them. Pretty hard to find, right?

You are minimizing the threat against women, plain and simple. Men DO NOT face the same threat.

 

[D&D]

Thank you for post this @threesummers

The world is a violent place, and many factors converge to make it escalate in the way we see in the last couple of years.

Violence, any kind of violence, is NEVER OK. Not against anyone ... men, women, child - simply another human being.

However well disguised it might be, any attempt to 'measure' frequency/severity of violence inflicted on one group against the other to somehow 'equalize' it is an often-used deflecting tactic and therefore unacceptable.

 

[blueclover_.]

Not to undermine the reality of violence against women but i dont see the reason behind this specific isolation of the issue as if it is an emerging phenomena in our times Or ever. How about everyone just be careful out there and watch out for their wellbeing as well as their loved ones instead?

Because femicide is a thing. Misogyny is a lot more prevalent than misandry. Oh, men are so discriminated that most murders of men were committed by OTHER MEN.

 

[demuic]

Then post your stories of men getting attacked the same way

Even in one of the links you posted, the male was also attacked.

These are brutal - read with caution:

Horror of Christian/Newsom killings in focus: What happened on Chipman Street

In one of Knoxville's most horrific crimes, Channon Christian, 21, and boyfriend Christopher Newsom, 23, were carjacked, kidnapped, raped and slain in January 2007.

www.knoxnews.com

Because femicide is a thing. Misogyny is a lot more prevalent than misandry. Oh, men are so discriminated that most murders of men were committed by OTHER MEN.

It's not a matter of men being "so discriminated" against to say that facing violence is also a reality that males go through. Yes, there is a lot of violence against women that is motivated by misogyny, usually committed by their partners, there is also a lot of violence in general that can happen to anyone without being motivated by that type of discrimination, and it also serves to be cautious of that.

Going by your logic, you could argue that black people are not discriminated against in America due to the fact that most violence done to black people is committed by other black people, yet very few people would consider that a fair assessment to make. This isn't to say anything about the nature of misandry or discrimination against men, merely your faulty logic.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

No doubt. It makes me so sad that the young people today don't know what it's like to go to school without fear, or girls who have a crush on a boy not get the shit beat out of them. Life was so different years ago. Yeah Yeah I know I'm an old fart.

I don't think it's so much more prevalent nowadays. It seems moreso because of the readily available access we have to information nowadays. Things like this have been happening and much, much worse throughout human history. In fact, I daresay that each former period of time was less safe due to the societal norms of the time. Women's right to vote, segregation and gay bashing were all a "normal" part of society just in the last century alone. Go back further and things like misogyny and owning another human being as a piece of property were at one point not only socially acceptable, but what was expected of people. Of course, with easy access to information and communication, new threats have arisen. Trolling, which is a nefarious form of bullying is quite prevalent nowadays as those who delight in the tearing down of others have far more convenient tools at their disposal to do as such. Point being, as technology and tolerance grow in our society, things are actually statistically safer in some ways. Just my take on that particular line of thought.

 

[summers]

Even in one of the links you posted, the male was also attacked.

Yes, one example of a man getting raped and killed. Never said it didn't happen - it's actually a huge problem in American prisons. It doesn't change the fact that men rape women exponentially more than they do men. As a man, I am never in fear of getting sexually assaulted - most men aren't. The fact that this is a legitimate concern for many women is the problem.

It's not a matter of men being "so discriminated" against to say that facing violence is also a reality that males go through. Yes, there is a lot of violence against women that is motivated by misogyny, usually committed by their partners, there is also a lot of violence in general that can happen to anyone without being motivated by that type of discrimination, and it also serves to be cautious of that.

Yes, anyone can be a victim of violence. I am pretty sure I will never be dragged into an alley at knifepoint and raped. That's the difference. I don't understand what's so hard to understand.

Going by your logic, you could argue that black people are not discriminated against in America due to the fact that most violence done to black people is committed by other black people, yet very few people would consider that a fair assessment to make. This isn't to say anything about the nature of misandry or discrimination against men, merely your faulty logic.

Why are you bringing race into this argument? I mean, why aren't you mentioning all the racially motivated attacks on Asians by blacks in NY and LA? Seems like your logic is faulty in that you are comparing racial and gender discrimination to violence against women.

It's really sad that even on SS, men can't be supportive of women. Can't just say "yeah, be careful because it seems like there have been a lot of bad things happening lately." No, the 'men' here (and I use that term very loosely) have to jump on the bandwagon and say "Well, I could get attacked too " To that, I say man the fuck up.

 

[demuic]

Yes, one example of a man getting raped and killed.

I found it interesting because that is literally an example of them facing the same threat. Of course it doesn't happen on the same scale as it does to women, that doesn't mean someone is immune to it. Everyone should have a fear of the things someone else could do to them in this world.

Why are you bringing race into this argument? I mean, why aren't you mentioning all the racially motivated attacks on Asians by blacks in NY and LA? Seems like your logic is faulty in that you are comparing racial and gender discrimination to violence against women.

Huh? Are you trying to say gender discrimination plays no role in violence against woman? I was responding specifically to what I quoted, and used an example of a similar set of circumstances.

It's really sad that even on SS, men can't be supportive of women. Can't just say "yeah, be careful because it seems like there have been a lot of bad things happening lately." No, the 'men' here (and I use that term very loosely) have to jump on the bandwagon and say "Well, I could get attacked too " To that, I say man the fuck up.

@zeroornothing said it better than me.

i dont see the reason behind this specific isolation of the issue as if it is an emerging phenomena in our times Or ever

Is this phenomen actually increasing anymore than it has in the past, historically? It's this phrasing of "lately" in your post as if it's new that rubbed me the wrong way. I dislike this kind of way of framing the situation because of the kind of paranoia it creates.

 

[blueclover_.]

Even in one of the links you posted, the male was also attacked.



It's not a matter of men being "so discriminated" against to say that facing violence is also a reality that males go through. Yes, there is a lot of violence against women that is motivated by misogyny, usually committed by their partners, there is also a lot of violence in general that can happen to anyone without being motivated by that type of discrimination, and it also serves to be cautious of that.

Going by your logic, you could argue that black people are not discriminated against in America due to the fact that most violence done to black people is committed by other black people, yet very few people would consider that a fair assessment to make. This isn't to say anything about the nature of misandry or discrimination against men, merely your faulty logic.

I didn't say thst males can't get abused lol. How did you come to that conclusion? My point is that men need to realize that they have a lot more problems when it comes to violence. Men just love to attack women, other men, animals, etc. It is a problem that should be recognized in order to be solved.

 

[Crazy4u]

some of the responses remind me of the arguments: black lives matter... nonono all lives matter

There are many statistics proving that violence against women is much worse than violence against men. Most serial killers are men. Most violent crimes are committed by men.

Does any man here feel uncomfortable if he was walking alone at night and there is a woman walking behind him? hoe uncomfortable? do you feel like your life is in danger? do you feel you might be attacked and raped?

 

[LADY007]

These are brutal - read with caution:

Horror of Christian/Newsom killings in focus: What happened on Chipman Street

In one of Knoxville's most horrific crimes, Channon Christian, 21, and boyfriend Christopher Newsom, 23, were carjacked, kidnapped, raped and slain in January 2007.

www.knoxnews.com

Two teens who terrorized elderly woman sentenced to 30 years in prison

Raymond Miranda, 15, and Ruben Melanson, 16, pleaded guilty to charges related to the attack last April in California. The woman, named as Jane Doe, 87, was assaulted using knives and bottles.

www.dailymail.co.uk

i think slow castration for these monsters would be very appropriate. My husband and I enjoyed TASTEFUL erotic videos as much as the next person, But, porn sites have moved it into domination, submission and acts that suggest women like being physically hurt. (Not to mention the videos of what look like 12 year olds satisfying men like they were born to do that.) Don't get me started on this one!!!! I lived in Chattanooga, TN for 11 years. If you looked in the yellow pages, there were pages and pages of religious/church sites and the same number of escort sites !! Had me trying to figure that out for days!!

 

[Crazy4u]

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I read the thread for the first time and I can't believe it! the responses are horrible! I am speechless

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

Men are animals. I never had male friends and so it never really occurred to me how predatory and creepy we are. I lived in kind of a bubble all my life. But my girlfriend can't even go to the gas station without getting hit on etc. Then I watch those "from a woman's perspective" videos sometimes of a woman walking through NYC or whatever and it's just horrible.

I've always been super conscious not to make women uncomfortable IRL so I'm always all business, eyes straight ahead etc. I would certainly never just hit on someone or put them on the spot in any way.

As I've gotten older too I've realized a lot of men's problems with women are in fact man-induced. I dislike my own gender immensely, and I mean that in a totally non white knight way. I just really do.

Btw, crime in general is up across the board. The economy is in the toilet and inflation is running wild. People are fed up of Covid and are feeling entitled and nihilistic. Everyone needs to be extra careful out there.

 

[deflationary]

There are many statistics proving that violence against women is much worse than violence against men. Most serial killers are men. Most violent crimes are committed by men.

Does any man here feel uncomfortable if he was walking alone at night and there is a woman walking behind him? hoe uncomfortable? do you feel like your life is in danger? do you feel you might be attacked and raped?

These are two different points though. This thread wasn't talking about the perpetrators but the victims. Everyone knows men are on average much more likely to commit violent crimes than women. Depending on the exact nature of the crime, men can also be more likely to be the victims though.

So, I agree that men are by and large the problem. But they (we) are also a problem for each other. So it's indeed everyone that needs to be careful. This thread was framed as some sort of a bizarre PSA and it was 100% expected and natural that someone would go "why should only women be careful?"

 

[Crazy4u]

These are two different points though. This thread wasn't talking about the perpetrators but the victims. Everyone knows men are on average much more likely to commit violent crimes than women. Depending on the exact nature of the crime, men can also be more likely to be the victims though.

So, I agree that men are by and large the problem. But they (we) are also a problem for each other. So it's indeed everyone that needs to be careful. This thread was framed as some sort of a bizarre PSA and it was 100% expected and natural that someone would go "why should only women be careful?"

quote "men are more likely to be victims"

Men are not as vulnerable as women. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional.

I know he is talking about the victims. I mentioned men are more likely to commit violent crime to clarify that women are less likely to violently attack and rape men.

Noone said only women should be careful. The post is more like: women should be extra careful because they are more likely to be victims because men are more violent than women

Noone should normalize and dismiss the issue of women safety.

 

[miserableforever]

Because women are being targeted in these attacks, not men. Please don't marginalize the threat against women by saying men are as much at risk - that seems very misogynistic on your part.

No doubt. It makes me so sad that the young people today don't know what it's like to go to school without fear, or girls who have a crush on a boy not get the shit beat out of them. Life was so different years ago. Yeah Yeah I know I'm an old fart.

I'm European and moved to California years ago.
It's definitely more dangerous out here.
Not sure if it was ever any better in this area.

 

[StarryStarry]

I'm European and moved to California years ago.
It's definitely more dangerous out here.
Not sure if it was ever any better in this area.

It was. When I was in my teens I lived in Imperial Beach, CA. I used to hitchhike everywhere I went. Met some awesome people. That would never be safe now. It's just really sad for young people who have never lived in a world like that. Sure there was crime but nothing like it is now and people cared about each other. Now you could be beaten up and people would get their phones out to record the incident. It's a crazy world. I think a lot of it is the access to the internet. Just my opinion.

 

[BeautifulMosaics]

Not to undermine the reality of violence against women but i dont see the reason behind this specific isolation of the issue as if it is an emerging phenomena in our times Or ever. How about everyone just be careful out there and watch out for their wellbeing as well as their loved ones instead?

It's so telling how in a harmless thread telling women to please be careful out there a mod runs in here and completely unprovoked states his grievances with violence against women being acknowledged. The fact that you are a moderator is not only disturbing but also a testament to the tone of misogyny on this forum. The comments on this harmless thread are a testament to it also. I'm not interested in debating with any males who hold such mentalities so respond at your own volition; it's a shame you can't block mods honestly.