Koreans use charcoal briquettes to kill themselves. I think this is a very easy way to take your own life.

[AngelGirl]

I've been only considering SN until now and I fantasized a lot about getting N. But I hate the idea of having to drink SN and the possibility of throwing up. What if I throw up and I survive with a serious brain damage? That would be worse than dying.

Lately I heard that Koreans often use charcoal briquettes to kill themselves. They burn the briquettes in their cars. I think this is a fool proof method. Very easy to do. Many Koreans have done it successfully.

In underprivileged areas of Korea they often use honey comb shaped charcoal briquettes to survive during the winter. And it used to kill so many Koreans accidentally due to CO intoxication.

I personally believe that this is possibly easier than the SN method. I just checked and you can get charcoal briquettes on Amazon. I have tons of benzodiazepines of all different kinds. I just have to find a small space with poor ventilation, ignite the briquettes, maybe have a glass of wine, and take few Ativan pills. I can just fall asleep peacefully and I will never wake up. You will just die in sleep.

 

[AnxietyAttack44]

Right now i have access to none of that. Some briquettes are different as well. But its nice to keep in mind

 

[HappyMstake]

That was my first option but after doing a bit of research, I'm not sure how true it is but some people have said the charcoal in Asian countries give off more CO than like the U.S or the U.K, etc..

Also the main thing I worry about with the CO method is if I happen to fail due to some like air leak in the car or someone finding me before I'm already dead, and ending up with brain damage or something.

 

[AngelGirl]

That was my first option but after doing a bit of research, I'm not sure how true it is but some people have said the charcoal in Asian countries give off more CO than like the U.S or the U.K, etc..

Also the main thing I worry about with the CO method is if I happen to fail due to some like air leak in the car or someone finding me before I'm already dead, and ending up with brain damage or something.

I think brain damage is a possibility for failed suicide attempts in many different cases. At least if it involves oxygen depletion, like the SN method, and hanging, there's possibility of brain damage since brain tissues will start dying when it's not getting enough oxygen.

But I agree that air leak would be a huge problem. A lot of Koreans just died while asleep in their bedrooms in the past, but I think certain briquettes would emit a lot more CO. I also agree that most of the briquettes used in the US or other western countries would be much safer, as they might have stricter safety regulations.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I've been only considering SN until now and I fantasized a lot about getting N. But I hate the idea of having to drink SN and the possibility of throwing up. What if I throw up and I survive with a serious brain damage? That would be worse than dying.

Lately I heard that Koreans often use charcoal briquettes to kill themselves. They burn the briquettes in their cars. I think this is a fool proof method. Very easy to do. Many Koreans have done it successfully.

In underprivileged areas of Korea they often use honey comb shaped charcoal briquettes to survive during the winter. And it used to kill so many Koreans accidentally due to CO intoxication.

I personally believe that this is possibly easier than the SN method. I just checked and you can get charcoal briquettes on Amazon. I have tons of benzodiazepines of all different kinds. I just have to find a small space with poor ventilation, ignite the briquettes, maybe have a glass of wine, and take few Ativan pills. I can just fall asleep peacefully and I will never wake up. You will just die in sleep.

It is referred to as 'smokeless' charcoal, and yes it gives off a lot of CO. If you look into it you will hear of bichutan. Beware of fakes if you decide on this one.

 

[HappyMstake]

I think brain damage is a possibility for failed suicide attempts in many different cases. At least if it involves oxygen depletion, like the SN method, and hanging, there's possibility of brain damage since brain tissues will start dying when it's not getting enough oxygen.

Yeah that's one of the reasons I haven't gone through with hanging, but one day I'm gonna have to get over that fear and just do it.

 

[Soul]

@AngelGirl, I'm sorry you're pondering such things. Please be aware that despite the apparent simplicity, the method is far from foolproof; if you search "charcoal" you'll find miles of mishaps described by people trying this method.

Be careful and research it well, ok?

 

[lostangel]

The only problem is getting a high enough ppm. Many people who have attempted have not reached a high enough ppm to die.

 

[Lastsauce]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...noxide-poisoning-by-charcoal-in-my-car.21708/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-failed-with-co-method-last-night.25448/post-466371

Two well prepared failures to study.

 

[Soul]

There's also a lengthy series of posts involving a woman who failed multiple times but finally succeeded. I don't remember her name but someone here will. She used two tents, if memory serves.

 

[Neville1]

@Soul
She was @Zanexx. RIP.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/leaving-tonight.3163/

.

Her story was in the media.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/callie-lewis.31768/

 

[AngelGirl]

Thank you guys! I will definitely look more into it. I've been only considering SN and N until now, and haven't thought much about the CO method. I was told that using charcoal briquettes is the go to method for Koreans by someone and it sounded so promising. Like Soul said, nothing is foolproof.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...noxide-poisoning-by-charcoal-in-my-car.21708/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-failed-with-co-method-last-night.25448/post-466371

Two well prepared failures to study.

Thanks, I am reading the thread now and this is very interesting and informative.

 

[Starflow11]

I've always been intrigued about this method... Honestly now I believe I'll just wait for N. Will need a legitimate source though.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

There is no possibility of brain damage from surviving SN. That's one of the best things about the method. There is a possibility of brain damage from surviving charcoal. With SN, there may be a period of recovery, but it it 100% recovery.

 

[AngelGirl]

I've always been intrigued about this method... Honestly now I believe I'll just wait for N. Will need a legitimate source though.

My friend ordered N from A last summer and sent money. But she didn't receive anything. I read some people here say they received N. So I agree that knowing the right source is important.

 

[KibblesNBits]

There is no possibility of brain damage from surviving SN. That's one of the best things about the method. There is a possibility of brain damage from surviving charcoal. With SN, there may be a period of recovery, but it it 100% recovery.

Doesn't SN turn you blue? It would suck to fail to ctb and then have to walk around looking like a Smurf.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Doesn't SN turn you blue? It would suck to fail to ctb and then have to walk around looking like a Smurf.

You would not be blue forever.

 

[KibblesNBits]

You would not be blue forever.

But I feel blue all the time...

Yeah, I'll see myself out.

 

[AngelGirl]

There is no possibility of brain damage from surviving SN. That's one of the best things about the method. There is a possibility of brain damage from surviving charcoal. With SN, there may be a period of recovery, but it it 100% recovery.

It is 100% recovery? Do you have a source? Because I personally doubt that since SN poisoning involves oxygen depletion. Any kind of oxygen damage leads to tissue damage so there's a chance of brain damage. People who are rescued from severe SN poisoning shows cyanosis, like this person: https://www.researchgate.net/public...emoglobinemia_due_to_Sodium_Nitrite_Poisoning
This article also involves a brain MRI image, but unfortunately I don't know how to read them.
(Also, I found a website that explains anoxic brain injury. If it's something that interests you, here's a link: https://www.headway.org.uk/about-br...xic-brain-injury/anoxic-brain-injury-effects/ )

But since you are saying there's a good chance of recovery, now I'm thinking that the chance of failing the SN method might be a lot smaller because you can just throw up, and I believe most of the time that's why you would fail this method. This way I believe there would be little to no damage to your body beside obvious acid burns from throwing up which is negligible. I just personally don't believe 100% recovery.

Doesn't SN turn you blue? It would suck to fail to ctb and then have to walk around looking like a Smurf.

You will turn blue but the blue color will be temporary if you survive. If you die with SN poisoning you will die blue due to cyanosis.

(PDF) Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

PDF | Case . We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

There are pictures of a patient with cyanosis due to SN poisoning and also a brain MRI scan.

 

[KibblesNBits]

It is 100% recovery? Do you have a source? Because I personally doubt that since SN poisoning involves oxygen depletion. Any kind of oxygen damage leads to tissue damage so there's a chance of brain damage. People who are rescued from severe SN poisoning shows cyanosis, like this person: https://www.researchgate.net/public...emoglobinemia_due_to_Sodium_Nitrite_Poisoning
This article also involves a brain MRI image, but unfortunately I don't know how to read them.
(Also, I found a website that explains anoxic brain injury. If it's something that interests you, here's a link: https://www.headway.org.uk/about-br...xic-brain-injury/anoxic-brain-injury-effects/ )

But since you are saying there's a good chance of recovery, now I'm thinking that the chance of failing the SN method might be a lot smaller because you can just throw up, and I believe most of the time that's why you would fail this method. This way I believe there would be little to no damage to your body beside obvious acid burns from throwing up which is negligible. I just personally don't believe 100% recovery.

Yeah, I have a hard time believing anything that is meant to cause death can have a 100% guarantee rate of walking away unscathed. It's why I wish I could get my hands on N.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

It is 100% recovery? Do you have a source? Because I personally doubt that since SN poisoning involves oxygen depletion. Any kind of oxygen damage leads to tissue damage so there's a chance of brain damage. People who are rescued from severe SN poisoning shows cyanosis, like this person: https://www.researchgate.net/public...emoglobinemia_due_to_Sodium_Nitrite_Poisoning
This article also involves a brain MRI image, but unfortunately I don't know how to read them.
(Also, I found a website that explains anoxic brain injury. If it's something that interests you, here's a link: https://www.headway.org.uk/about-br...xic-brain-injury/anoxic-brain-injury-effects/ )

But since you are saying there's a good chance of recovery, now I'm thinking that the chance of failing the SN method might be a lot smaller because you can just throw up, and I believe most of the time that's why you would fail this method. This way I believe there would be little to no damage to your body beside obvious acid burns from throwing up which is negligible. I just personally don't believe 100% recovery.

(PDF) Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

PDF | Case . We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

There are pictures of a patient with cyanosis due to SN poisoning and also a brain MRI scan.

I don't get the point of this post. I'm not a mindless believer in the SN method who gets angry at anyone who questions it, I've questioned it myself, but I've been a member for six months and read every post I could so that I am informed and not just believing, and the effects are not permanent. Even the article you yourself linked about cyanosis says:

Soon after receiving methylene blue, his cyanosis resolved and the methemoglobin level began to decrease. After relocation to the intensive care unit, his consciousness improved and he could recall ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before he was brought to our hospital. The patient was discharged on day 7 without neurologic impairment.


So what's up with what seems like fearmongering? You've been a member for a year. Have you only just now started researching the method? Is that why you're scared? If you're uncertain, then don't take the risk before thoroughly researching, and make an informed decision! But please also consider when you make utterly uninformed statements like:

But since you are saying there's a good chance of recovery, now I'm thinking that the chance of failing the SN method might be a lot smaller because you can just throw up, and I believe most of the time that's why you would fail this method. This way I believe there would be little to no damage to your body beside obvious acid burns from throwing up which is negligible.

First, it starts out as a gobbledygook statement that doesn't make sense and therefore causes cognitive dissonance, which can be a manipulative move, so my guard is now up even more. Second, have you read the threads that have gathered all the anecdotal accounts of successes and failures? Vomiting is not a common reason for failure. The common reasons are not taking the right amounts of SN and/or water, taking SN with a substance other than water, and either getting interrupted or calling for help. You're speaking authoritatively in this post, which can influence others, and you're spreading disinformation, I think either because you are uninformed or are against the method.

I'm neither for or against the method, and I'm not personally against you, I'm against spreading bad information.

 

[Anonymoussn]

As the person above has already said, the risk of vomiting can be reduced by doing things like taking the recommended dose of water and SN.

Whilst even after following the recommended dose and steps, you might still vomit, the empirical evidence we have suggests that vomiting does not usually equal to failure if the correct steps have been followed.

And there are a lot of methods where you would risk vomiting if you didnt take the recommended dose, or didnt follow the recommended steps. So to not do SN for fear of vomiting is not really logical.

 

[AngelGirl]

I don't get the point of this post. I'm not a mindless believer in the SN method who gets angry at anyone who questions it, I've questioned it myself, but I've been a member for six months and read every post I could so that I am informed and not just believing, and the effects are not permanent. Even the article you yourself linked about cyanosis says:

Soon after receiving methylene blue, his cyanosis resolved and the methemoglobin level began to decrease. After relocation to the intensive care unit, his consciousness improved and he could recall ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before he was brought to our hospital. The patient was discharged on day 7 without neurologic impairment.


So what's up with what seems like fearmongering? You've been a member for a year. Have you only just now started researching the method? Is that why you're scared? If you're uncertain, then don't take the risk before thoroughly researching, and make an informed decision! But please also consider when you make utterly uninformed statements like:

But since you are saying there's a good chance of recovery, now I'm thinking that the chance of failing the SN method might be a lot smaller because you can just throw up, and I believe most of the time that's why you would fail this method. This way I believe there would be little to no damage to your body beside obvious acid burns from throwing up which is negligible.

First, it starts out as a gobbledygook statement that doesn't make sense and therefore causes cognitive dissonance, which can be a manipulative move, so my guard is now up even more. Second, have you read the threads that have gathered all the anecdotal accounts of successes and failures? Vomiting is not a common reason for failure. The common reasons are not taking the right amounts of SN and/or water, taking SN with a substance other than water, and either getting interrupted or calling for help. You're speaking authoritatively in this post, which can influence others, and you're spreading disinformation, I think either because you are uninformed or are against the method.

I'm neither for or against the method, not personally against you, I'm against spreading bad information.

Well I'm sorry if you felt attacked. I wasn't trying to say what you think is wrong. Honestly I am surprised that you do because it was not my intention at all. I also didn't say the person from the link who suffered cyanosis had brain damage. I am also not trying to spread misinformation. I said I think, and I believe, and I was opening up for a debate, and more specifically someone to correct me if I'm wrong. I honestly didn't research too much about the SN method and I didn't read extensively read the threads about the SN method yet.
I initially posted here because I wanted to know how others felt about the Korean CO method wondering why it is not as popular here as the SN method since this mother using charcoal briquettes is very popular in another country.

Again, I said what I said regarding the SN method hoping that someone can explain to me if the SN poisoning will be brain damage free. I didn't provide the research paper as the proof that SN method cause brain damage. I honestly provided the link as a proof of cyanosis and oxygen depletion from SN poisoning. So my question was how SN poisoning can be brain damage free because it will involve oxygen depletion.

Probably information I am looking for might be here somewhere if I look carefully enough since SN poisoning is a heavily debated method. But I can still ask why. I was looking for someone who can clear things up for me about the relationship between brain damage and SN poisoning. That's all.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Well I'm sorry if you felt attacked. I wasn't trying to say what you think is wrong. Honestly I am surprised that you do because it was not my intention at all. I also didn't say the person from the link who suffered cyanosis had brain damage. I am also not trying to spread misinformation. I said I think, and I believe, and I was opening up for a debate, and more specifically someone to correct me if I'm wrong. I honestly didn't research too much about the SN method and I didn't read extensively read the threads about the SN method yet.
I initially posted here because I wanted to know how others felt about the Korean CO method wondering why it is not as popular here as the SN method since this mother using charcoal briquettes is very popular in another country.

Again, I said what I said regarding the SN method hoping that someone can explain to me if the SN poisoning will be brain damage free. I didn't provide the research paper as the proof that SN method cause brain damage. I honestly provided the link as a proof of cyanosis and oxygen depletion from SN poisoning. So my question was how SN poisoning can be brain damage free because it will involve oxygen depletion.

Probably information I am looking for might be here somewhere if I look carefully enough since SN poisoning is a heavily debated method. But I can still ask why. I was looking for someone who can clear things up for me about the relationship between brain damage and SN poisoning. That's all.

I never said I felt attacked.

I was, however, in error that you were speaking authoritatively when you did indeed say "I believe." The only thing authoritative was the article about cyanosis, and it clearly states in the abstract the opposite of what you were worried about, so that was confusing, as was much of that paragraph I quoted.

I noticed you already bought SN last year, so I hope you get all the information you need to make an informed decision. There are a lot of links in the pinned Resources Compilation.

 

[AngelGirl]

Just to follow up on what the previous person said, risk of vomiting can be reduced by simply taking the recommended dose from Stan's guide. And also potentially by taking Anti-Emetics (although that's down to preference). And whilst even after following the recommended dose and steps, you might still vomit, the empirical evidence we have suggests that vomiting does not usually equal to failure if the correct steps have been followed. There are a lot of methods where you would risk vomiting if you didnt take the recommended dose, or didnt follow the recommended steps. So to not do SN for fear of vomiting is not really logical.

I am aware of using anti-emetics. But I Was talking more statistically when I said many people might have failed from vomiting. Not everyone knows about anti-emetics, not everyone knows there's a forum like this to share information about committing suicide. Just lets say if one country had data of all people who committed suicide and attempted suicide, I believe that there would be a solid chunk of failed cases due to vomiting. I'm not talking about the chances of one person successfully ctb'ing using SN given that the given person knew about anti-emetics, and the right amount of SN to be able to kill one self, etc.
At the very beginning of this thread, I mentioned chances of throwing up from SN, because I personally don't think I would be using anti-emetics because I don't think I can get good enough anti-emetics from dubious sources. My doctors are not going to prescribe me them, I personally don't trust eBay products that come from Russia, well if you know more methods of acquiring them, please let me know. I am open to input from you guys.

 

[Anonymoussn]

Well I'm sorry if you felt attacked. I wasn't trying to say what you think is wrong. Honestly I am surprised that you do because it was not my intention at all. I also didn't say the person from the link who suffered cyanosis had brain damage. I am also not trying to spread misinformation. I said I think, and I believe, and I was opening up for a debate, and more specifically someone to correct me if I'm wrong. I honestly didn't research too much about the SN method and I didn't read extensively read the threads about the SN method yet.
I initially posted here because I wanted to know how others felt about the Korean CO method wondering why it is not as popular here as the SN method since this mother using charcoal briquettes is very popular in another country.

Again, I said what I said regarding the SN method hoping that someone can explain to me if the SN poisoning will be brain damage free. I didn't provide the research paper as the proof that SN method cause brain damage. I honestly provided the link as a proof of cyanosis and oxygen depletion from SN poisoning. So my question was how SN poisoning can be brain damage free because it will involve oxygen depletion.

Probably information I am looking for might be here somewhere if I look carefully enough since SN poisoning is a heavily debated method. But I can still ask why. I was looking for someone who can clear things up for me about the relationship between brain damage and SN poisoning. That's all.

Of all of the case studies I've seen on this site, I've never seen any evidence of brain damage as a result of SN.

I think what @GoodPersonEffed is concerned about is that statements like this: 'I think brain damage is a possibility for failed suicide attempts in many different cases. At least if it involves oxygen depletion, like the SN method' ...

might lead readers of this site to believe SN leaves one of a chance of brain damage, so it's important to challenge statements like this.

For many, that might lead them to reconsider as to whether it were the right method for them, so it's just important to challenge statements like this is all - it's not that anyone is getting offended.

 

[AngelGirl]

Of all of the case studies I've seen on this site, I've never seen any evidence of brain damage as a result of SN.

I think what @GoodPersonEffed is concerned about is that statements like this: 'I think brain damage is a possibility for failed suicide attempts in many different cases. At least if it involves oxygen depletion, like the SN method' ...

might lead readers of this site to believe SN leaves one of a chance of brain damage, so it's important to challenge statements like this.

For many, that might lead them to reconsider as to whether it were the right method for them, so it's just important to challenge statements like this is all - it's not that anyone is getting offended.

Okay, if that was why you were uncomfortable, then I understand.
If there are many case studies that indicates no one suffered from brain damage, then I guess it's a good sign that SN intoxication is a very safe method. And I wasn't trying to discourage anyone from using SN, I still believe it is one of the safest methods. But honestly I was more curious about the reasons behind that. If you don't really see brain damage from failed SN methods, why would that be? Cause I know it involves oxygen depletion. And I believe oxygen depletion leads to any kind of tissue damage. Maybe there are other specific reasons behind that? Does SN work specifically in taking one's life faster than causing brain damage?
It was really my personal curiosity in the science behind it.
And I did personally believe that it could cause brain damage. To those anyone who's reading this, I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS TRUE. And honestly I am still not educated enough in WHY it wouldn't. (Then again, if the cases studies prove it's safe, then I also believe that it's very safe)

Probably because it's apparently very hard to execute, far from fool proof. Among members anecdotal attempts are 1 fatal and a dozen or more failures. Most abandon it due to discomfort, nausea. Consider too there is a high risk of brain injury with CO intoxication.

On the other hand with SN, there are about a hundred fatal cases and they are explained by not following the recommendations, being interrupted or calling emergencies. I'm not sure if there's any case of failure solely due to vomiting.

I think like another person from above said, I think it might stem from the difference in what they actually use, like how Asian charcoal briquettes may emit more CO.

I didn't realize before but I'm kind of noticing that I am just someone who's more interested in the reasons behind things than the results while many others focus on the results. I don't disagree with what your saying, but I was wondering more about how CO poisoning considered very popular and easy in one country and not so much in another country. South Korea has a very high suicide rate that is higher than Japan or the US. And I've heard that there were many cases of charcoal briquettes accidentally killing an entire family in their own bedroom, which should provide more ventilation than being in a car.

I said foolproof, although I think it may not be so promising as I initially thought, just because there were many actual cases in South Korea causing "accidental" deaths of so many people. I was thinking, if you don't even have to try and it's going to kill you, then if you plan ahead, wouldn't be so much easier? And the popularity in a country with a very high suicide rate seemed promising to me.

But like I discussed with another member above, I'm thinking that probably the charcoal briquettes are made to be safer in Western countries.

 

[Deleted member 1768]

I've been only considering SN until now and I fantasized a lot about getting N. But I hate the idea of having to drink SN and the possibility of throwing up. What if I throw up and I survive with a serious brain damage? That would be worse than dying.

Lately I heard that Koreans often use charcoal briquettes to kill themselves. They burn the briquettes in their cars. I think this is a fool proof method. Very easy to do. Many Koreans have done it successfully.

In underprivileged areas of Korea they often use honey comb shaped charcoal briquettes to survive during the winter. And it used to kill so many Koreans accidentally due to CO intoxication.

I personally believe that this is possibly easier than the SN method. I just checked and you can get charcoal briquettes on Amazon. I have tons of benzodiazepines of all different kinds. I just have to find a small space with poor ventilation, ignite the briquettes, maybe have a glass of wine, and take few Ativan pills. I can just fall asleep peacefully and I will never wake up. You will just die in sleep.

The Korean charcoal is much harder than the North American, has a very high carbon content, and sounds metallic when hit. Called smokeless, if I remember correctly.