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Surek

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Aug 26, 2025
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So, this will probably come out a bit disorganized, but I just want to vent my thoughts because I'm angry about what happened to me yesterday

Yesterday I was planning to CTB, but, as you can see, I'm still here. People have issues with SI, and I'm no exception to the rule. Some try to suppress it with benzos, some do it on an impulse, and others somehow gather their resolve and overcome it. But that's not the point

If we count the moment the substance was swallowed as an attempt, then I've had two. The first was when I was somewhere between 17 and 18, the second between 19 and 20. Now I'm 24 and a half

Back then, I didn't know about SaSu or PPeH, and AI's didn't exist yet either. I was on my own, and with my meager knowledge, I tried to do it first with Caffeine, and then with Drotaverine. It wasn't painful, though I didn't feel great. I've had worse conditions caused by various infections or food poisoning

The first time (Caffeine), I didn't experience SI, and calmly drank everything. It ended with vomiting and calling an ambulance, which, however, wrote it off as dairy poisoning. When I was in the infectious disease ward, for some reason I had a recurrence of severe tachycardia, and that's when I panicked because I thought I might kick the bucket

The second time (Drotaverine) was a kind of... "planned-impulsive" mix, and panic set in when I had swallowed half of the pills. A memory of my first attempt just suddenly popped into my head - specifically the moment I was taking those caffeine pills - after which I abruptly dumped everything into the toilet and tried to induce vomiting. It didn't seem to help much, as soon after I had to make an immense effort not to collapse to the ground like a sack of potatoes. I didn't seek help that time, but nevertheless, I got through it

I don't regret making those two attempts. They didn't make my life worse, but they didn't make it better either. If anything, I only regret that they failed, because at this moment my life is no different from what I expected it to be, and what it was back then. Just wasted time...

When I discovered PPeH and read about SN, I bought it soon after, but put off the attempt for a long time. When I finally mixed it, I just couldn't drink it - I didn't have the nerve. I'm not entirely sure what the issue was: echoes of past attempts making the SI stronger, and/or uncertainty about the method itself and/or the substance I had at the time

When I returned to considering this method again and soon discovered SaSu, there was already enough information about both the method and SN itself, how to test it, and so on (for which I am grateful). I studied it enough for myself, deeming it a suitable method, and at the same time made sure my SN was pure (which made me happy at the time). My fear right now is irrational, and I have to follow various conditions to ease it

Once I made sure of the purity of my SN and more or less figured out how to ease my fear, the next problem became "false" hopes. Like, maybe somehow everything will work out, get better, I should give it a chance, and all that other nonsense, which I have to deal with by steering my thoughts in the right direction, throwing counterarguments at it, etc. I think many are familiar with this

But I had never encountered such a flare-up of SI as the one I had yesterday. When I (as I thought) had dealt with the fear and false hopes, took an antiemetic, showered, and then began waiting for the designated hour, my fear started to intensify, and those "false" hopes became... "blinding." It was as if I hit a stone wall that I couldn't break through. No logic worked here; everything came down to "EVERYTHING IS OK, GIVE IT A CHANCE, IT WILL ALL WORK OUT"

I just started shaking, and every thought of going to the room (a utility room in an apartment building containing a PC with CCTV equipment; I have a key to it) where I was going to CTB caused me to freeze up. When I finally left the apartment, along with the remnants of my willpower, I was finished off by intensified thoughts and feelings toward people precious to me. Ultimately, I couldn't bring myself to enter that room, and instead went outside, where I started to feel as if I were being pumped with drugs - the sun was brighter, the grass greener, the sky bluer, and the breeze more pleasant. A fucking celebration of life, nothing less

And then, as soon as I gave up and decided to postpone it (at least for a few days), everything stopped abruptly. The anxiety remained, but all those hopes, feelings, and cheerfulness were gone. It was as if the moment SI achieved its goal, it immediately packed up all that shit and took off, leaving me alone, empty-handed, with the thoughts: "So why did I put it off again?"

It's a mockery. If this instinct is so desperate to force me to live, then why can't it let me keep all that drug-like shit it was just flooding me with?

Despite all this, I am angry - very angry - specifically because it dragged people precious to me into this, as if making them the reason I can't leave. It's a very low, vile trick that infuriates me. And I have nowhere to direct this anger, except to try to calm down a bit by writing this post...
 
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Aug 26, 2025
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The closure of the Russian thread, or rather how it was closed, feels wrong. It was a corner where Russian speakers could connect with each other and discuss various methods/substances without a language barrier and taking local specifics into account. As a compromise, a second thread could have been created with a clear directive that communication in it must be conducted exclusively in English, leaving a link to it in the final message; but no, instead, people were advised to create public posts, which is just not the same...

The day before yesterday, I went to a psychiatrist hoping to get something that could potentially help with SI, but no - in addition to the first antidepressant, they prescribed another one, even though my consultation history showed that these serotonin manipulations don't work for me and don't help with anxiety. They said that for stronger medications, I would need to be admitted for tests; I refused

However, it seems that in the CIS, they haven't prescribed any benzos for a long time (what do they use instead then?), so there was probably no point in doing this in the first place

I don't want to turn to the Darknet, and I don't have the money anyway. Going to prison while depressed sounds like going to Hell...

AI's are a good assistant, but when you can't double-check the information they output, it is concerning

In my country, they sell an over-the-counter alcohol tincture (25 ml) containing ~500 mg of Phenobarbital, but I haven't noticed anyone trying to use it specifically as a means to suppress SI. Besides, barbiturates slow down gastric emptying, which is undesirable for the SN method

There is also Phenibut, but I still haven't figured out if it is capable of dealing with SI. It is also over-the-counter, sold both in tablets and powder (500 mg per sachet). It primarily works on GABA-B receptors (and apparently has a gabapentinoid effect too), but in case of an overdose (1.5 - 2 grams?), it also affects GABA-A, and apparently also slows down gastric emptying (?)

I feel stuck, I need to overcome this on my own somehow, but how? It's a pity this isn't the first attempt, as maybe I wouldn't have such a problem with SI as I do now
 
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In my country, they sell an over-the-counter alcohol tincture (25 ml)
It tastes horrible. I chugged 50ml w 0.5l of sprite once to get drunk then instantly felt the need to vomit after first sip. This tincture needs to be evaporated to be usable.
Gonna use that to counter SI too. Its sux that benzos treated as heroin in CIS
 
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This tincture needs to be evaporated to be usable
Yeah, it tastes disgusting, and they clearly made it that way on purpose so people wouldn't get high on it or use it to off themselves. I initially thought about trying to evaporate it somehow, but I figured the stench would be unbearable. Plus, I have absolutely no experience with opioids in general, or with phenobarbital in particular, so experimenting on myself to figure out the right dose seems like a pretty questionable idea

Gonna use that to counter SI too
Phenibut somehow inspires a bit more trust (based on how it feels) in this regard, so I think yeah, I'll try taking that next time. I have no idea exactly how far in advance I should take it, though. But I'm thinking I could take it (2g?) with a Domperidone pill, and take everything else once I feel its effects (or at least set a timeframe: Phenibut 2 hours beforehand, and everything else 1 hour beforehand). The only thing is, I'm also taking Mirtazapine (it doesn't help me at all, but it blocks the 5-HT3 and H1 receptors, which I considered a nice bonus). Who the hell knows how they'll interact with each other
 
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Yeah, it tastes disgusting, and they clearly made it that way on purpose so people wouldn't get high on it or use it to off themselves. I initially thought about trying to evaporate it somehow, but I figured the stench would be unbearable. Plus, I have absolutely no experience with opioids in general, or with phenobarbital in particular, so experimenting on myself to figure out the right dose seems like a pretty questionable idea


Phenibut somehow inspires a bit more trust (based on how it feels) in this regard, so I think yeah, I'll try taking that next time. I have no idea exactly how far in advance I should take it, though. But I'm thinking I could take it (2g?) with a Domperidone pill, and take everything else once I feel its effects (or at least set a timeframe: Phenibut 2 hours beforehand, and everything else 1 hour beforehand). The only thing is, I'm also taking Mirtazapine (it doesn't help me at all, but it blocks the 5-HT3 and H1 receptors, which I considered a nice bonus). Who the hell knows how they'll interact with each other
Phenibut made me nauseous every time I took it. I only ever took up to maybe 1.5 grams so it didn't take much. Your mileage may vary.
 
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Phenibut made me nauseous every time I took it. I only ever took up to maybe 1.5 grams so it didn't take much. Your mileage may vary.
For now, I'm thinking that with the SN method, I'm already taking precautions against nausea/vomiting (a combination of Domperidone and Mirtazapine), so perhaps this will counteract the nausea from Phenibut. And even if it doesn't, but it still helps me deal with SI, I'll still be satisfied with that. I'm not overly optimistic, and I expect to vomit during the process anyway
 
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Aug 26, 2025
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A couple of days ago, I bought four packets of phenibut, 500 mg each. Besides phenibut, the ingredients also include aspartame, a flavoring agent, and mannitol (a filler, I guess?). Obviously, this is to mask its sour taste, but for some reason, they chose orange for the flavoring... Not that I have anything against oranges, but the taste of a pharmacy-grade "orange" is usually pretty mediocre

I decided to look a bit deeper into the acidity of pharmacy phenibut, and I found out three things:
  1. Pharmacy phenibut is acidic, meaning it is Phenibut HCl. This is the case because its acidic form is highly water-soluble, unlike the FAA form, which is neutral

  2. It seems that in terms of overall acidity, taking 2 grams of pharmacy phenibut on an empty stomach is equivalent to having anywhere from half a glass to a full glass of gastric acid sitting in your stomach. This can cause stomach irritation and a feeling of nausea

  3. Pharmacy phenibut can be neutralized with baking soda, converting it into Phenibut FAA. You can neutralize 2 grams of it with ~0.78 grams of baking soda, yielding ~1.66 grams of Phenibut FAA. The remaining ~1.12 grams (the law of conservation of mass still applies, after all) consist of a little bit of table salt, water, and carbon dioxide. The phenibut itself hasn't gone anywhere or been annihilated; it's just that the original 2 grams consisted of the actual phenibut base (~1.66 grams) and the extra "baggage" in the form of HCl acid (~0.34 grams)

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In light of this newly discovered information, I debated for a long time whether I should buy one more packet to bring the dose up to ~2.08 grams of FAA (2.5 grams of HCl). Ultimately, I decided it was better not to risk it and just stick with the four packets
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P.S. It seems like it's best to take Phenibut 3-4 hours in advance so it can peak. I guess it's easier to go by how you feel rather than the clock, but I think 4 hours is a good deadline
 
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A couple of days ago, I bought four packets of phenibut, 500 mg each. Besides phenibut, the ingredients also include aspartame, a flavoring agent, and mannitol (a filler, I guess?). Obviously, this is to mask its sour taste, but for some reason, they chose orange for the flavoring... Not that I have anything against oranges, but the taste of a pharmacy-grade "orange" is usually pretty mediocre

I decided to look a bit deeper into the acidity of pharmacy phenibut, and I found out three things:
  1. Pharmacy phenibut is acidic, meaning it is Phenibut HCl. This is the case because its acidic form is highly water-soluble, unlike the FAA form, which is neutral

  2. It seems that in terms of overall acidity, taking 2 grams of pharmacy phenibut on an empty stomach is equivalent to having anywhere from half a glass to a full glass of gastric acid sitting in your stomach. This can cause stomach irritation and a feeling of nausea

  3. Pharmacy phenibut can be neutralized with baking soda, converting it into Phenibut FAA. You can neutralize 2 grams of it with ~0.78 grams of baking soda, yielding ~1.66 grams of Phenibut FAA. The remaining ~1.12 grams (the law of conservation of mass still applies, after all) consist of a little bit of table salt, water, and carbon dioxide. The phenibut itself hasn't gone anywhere or been annihilated; it's just that the original 2 grams consisted of the actual phenibut base (~1.66 grams) and the extra "baggage" in the form of HCl acid (~0.34 grams)

    263459_1779831731181.png

In light of this newly discovered information, I debated for a long time whether I should buy one more packet to bring the dose up to ~2.08 grams of FAA (2.5 grams of HCl). Ultimately, I decided it was better not to risk it and just stick with the four packets
1324861631716659280.webp


P.S. It seems like it's best to take Phenibut 3-4 hours in advance so it can peak. I guess it's easier to go by how you feel rather than the clock, but I think 4 hours is a good deadline
Is it still possible to get baclofen wo prescription mumbo jumbo in your country ? Doses from 75mg to 100 fked me up pretty good. Its stronger than phenibut by several times and pretty deadly in overdoses esp when combined w alcohol. It was really ez to get it in 2019-2020.
 
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Surek

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Is it still possible to get baclofen wo prescription mumbo jumbo in your country ?
Honestly, I have no clue. At least you can actually get it at a pharmacy, unlike benzos
 
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Surek

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Aug 26, 2025
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It seems like I'm experiencing SI at the thought of dissolving and drinking Phenibut? Not as strongly as with SN, but still. I find it kind of funny, as if the SI is afraid of being shut down. I was thinking about putting my plans on hold since I had a sleepless night, but in the end, I had to postpone them anyway due to circumstances beyond my control. Anyway, it's all pretty interesting
 
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Surek

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Aug 26, 2025
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I decided to test my SN again today. Even though I didn't store it out in the open - meaning it only had brief contact with the air - the warning to "store in the manufacturer's packaging in dry areas" wasn't there for nothing, since it's highly hygroscopic

I kept it in a safe spot, inside this brown glass vial that I put into the cardboard box for it, but it looks like it still managed to absorb moisture over time anyway. It's possible it arrived that way, of course, but I'm still leaning towards it being my own screw-up

I ran the first test back in February, about six months after getting it. I didn't really pay much attention to it back then, but at least now I can say that yeah, it's a bit damp. It behaves like... I don't know, for some reason it reminds me of flour - it packs down the same way

Anyway, the second test showed that it's still just as deadly effective as it was about four months ago

On a side note regarding the smell - SN itself doesn't have an odor, but when I open the vial, I get a whiff of something like PVA glue for about a couple of seconds. I'm betting that's the smell of nitrogen oxides

P.S: I gave the vial a good shake before taking SN out of it, and ran the test considering this nuance
 

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