Just Bought Stuff Needed for Inert Gas Method

[Romanticize]

Hello Guys

So I just ordered a bunch of stuff for the Inert Gas Method. I went by the protocol and advice in first 3 potsts of this thread:

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

Exit Bag and Inert Gas Basics —A very, very long post, I know, but I feel like I've fielded a lot of questions about this, so I figured I'd spell out everything I know. Others on the forum should please add to this thread whatever reliable technical information they feel is appropriate for...

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1. Inert Gas + reductor + flowmeter
I went for Argon 8L at 200bar, which makes 1600 L of gas. It should be enough. At first I wanted to buy Nitrogen, but Nitrogen was offered only with gas pressure reductors, not with flowmeter. Flowmeter is crucial, because I need to set the gas flow at 15L/min



2. Oven Roasting Bags. I couldn't find anything for turkey (lol) but I guess they are enough - my head has to fit inside.
One question here - do the black plastic things can replace the drawcord? I mean they are for adjusting the bag, right?|



3. Micropore tape - I purchased two types, I think they will stick to the bags with no problem?



4. Elastic drawcord - I think this is ok?


So that's it - please advice if it the products above are suitable for the method. I am still missing the hose - I am searching for "argon hose" but I guess hose can be universal/generic, just need to fit tightly on the reductor (btw. do you just tape it on, or do you buy hose with thread, and wrench it?) it's critical because it needs to fit super tight, otherwise the gas will leak.

And to install drawcord on the bag, do you punch the bag using office puncher?

If you have any advice, or photos please share. I am mostly interested on how to install hose onto reductor, and how to make the oven bag tight using elastic hose.

Thanks!

EDIT:
I see that connection between the reductor output and hose is very tricky.

I am going for:
Output of reductor is thread M12x15 --> adapter from M12 to 6mm (photo below) and then 6mmLPG gas hose. On top of the hose, metal "snail clamp" also with photo below. Guess I just need to prepare the exit bag and I am ready, or did I forget anything?

Also do you guys recommend any drugs for inert gas method? I think benzos (low dose) can be helpful to prevent some anxiety but after the bag is on, unconsciousness comes so fast, that there likely won't be any fight or flight response, right?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The black plastic ties are for completely sealing the open end of the bag when you cook a turkey, or whatever meat. You don't use them to make an exit bag. You need to install your own cord and elastic onto the open end of the bag.

 

[TheEmptyVoid]

Could I just use my propane tank (that can run at 150 psi nonstop for 40 minutes) and make sure there is not a single ignition source? I can never get my hands on a tank like that It's so hard to get it

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Here's a crude instruction for making the bag. I think there's a better one in the Inert Gas Megathread somewhere.

Could I just use my propane tank (that can run at 150 psi nonstop for 40 minutes) and make sure there is not a single ignition source? I can never get my hands on a tank like that It's so hard to get it

Propane is NOT inert gas. I don't think you want to be breathing that in.

 

[Romanticize]

@locked*n*loaded hey, thanks for the tips. The pdf on exit bag I'm saving, just screenshots because scribd requires subscription. But it's very helpful.

Also do you know risks of inert gas method? Method itself is very peaceful but I read that risk of permanent lifelong brain damage is quite high. I think fail can only occur when there will be leaks, or when my unconscious body would twitch and would knock out the tank or the bag. So I will use duct tape to tie the tank to the chair leg or something. Do you know other risks or tips to minimize failing?

EDIT:
I read that gas leaks only affect the time before unconsciousness or can cause panic.
The conclusion is:
After unconsciousness happens, there is no stopping of death.

So it's really hard to survive with lifelong damage. Either someone has no knowledge and fucks it up -> he likely won't get unconscious at all.

That's really important for me, and uplifting! :)
When Nembutal is not available, Inert gas is the best method after all. Followed by SN and fentanyl IV I guess, but still inert gas wins. 15-30sec to unconsciousness, 5-6min to death. Damn

 

[locked*n*loaded]

because scribd requires subscription.

It didn't require any subscription for me. I don't have one.

 

[Romanticize]

It didn't require any subscription for me. I don't have one.

it does in order to download the file in .pdf or .txt
but without it, I just needed to watch 60s ad for each page. After watching I made a screenshot and saved them all in a word file. So I have the file now fully available to me. Thanks

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Also do you know risks of inert gas method? Method itself is very peaceful but I read that risk of permanent lifelong brain damage is quite high. I think fail can only occur when there will be leaks, or when my unconscious body would twitch and would knock out the tank or the bag. So I will use duct tape to tie the tank to the chair leg or something. Do you know other risks or tips to minimize failing?

Risks like in probability? Or just general? Yeah, with any method that deprives the body of O2, there is always a chance of neuro damage if things don't go as planned. Running out of gas before death is a concern. The possibility of knocking the tank over due to "twitching" as you call it can be eliminated by placing the tank far away from where you're ctbing and just running a long hose/tube to where you are. I don't know if taping the tank is the best way to solve that potential issue. It could work. That's up to you. Personally, I'd move it far away and just use a long tube.

The 4 "biggies":

*Don't run out of gas prematurely
*Don't get discovered prematurely
*If using a mask, don't have leaks around face seal
*Make sure gas is of acceptable/required purity

 

[quietwoods]

@locked*n*loaded hey, thanks for the tips. The pdf on exit bag I'm saving, just screenshots because scribd requires subscription. But it's very helpful.

Also do you know risks of inert gas method? Method itself is very peaceful but I read that risk of permanent lifelong brain damage is quite high. I think fail can only occur when there will be leaks, or when my unconscious body would twitch and would knock out the tank or the bag. So I will use duct tape to tie the tank to the chair leg or something. Do you know other risks or tips to minimize failing?

EDIT:
I read that gas leaks only affect the time before unconsciousness or can cause panic.
The conclusion is:
After unconsciousness happens, there is no stopping of death.

So it's really hard to survive with lifelong damage. Either someone has no knowledge and fucks it up -> he likely won't get unconscious at all.

That's really important for me, and uplifting! :)
When Nembutal is not available, Inert gas is the best method after all. Followed by SN and fentanyl IV I guess, but still inert gas wins. 15-30sec to unconsciousness, 5-6min to death. Damn

Apparently it's more than just twitching. In a PBS documentary about suicide, people from Final Exit would sometimes have to physically hold down the arms of people who were committing suicide via helium to prevent that unconscious person's movement from affecting the setup.

I saw a person's failed attempt about a week or two ago where they somehow managed to disconnect the tube from the helium tank while unconscious (or something similar). Trying to find that failure.

Why I'm planning on getting a belt or band to wrap around my couch cushions and secure my arms (planning on the inert method as primary, SN secondary if not able).

 

[Romanticize]

Apparently it's more than just twitching. In a PBS documentary about suicide, people from Final Exit would sometimes have to physically hold down the arms of people who were committing suicide via helium to prevent that unconscious person's movement from affecting the setup.

I saw a person's failed attempt about a week or two ago where they somehow managed to disconnect the tube from the helium tank while unconscious (or something similar). Trying to find that failure.

Why I'm planning on getting a belt or band to wrap around my couch cushions and secure my arms (planning on the inert method as primary, SN secondary if not able).

interesting.
so you think securing arms with a belt [I think just office zip-ties are good, you won't break them] is enough?

i think the whole body gets twitching/seizure, so maybe not only hands but also legs, so that the tank cannot be kicked.
head and torso - i think twitching of those body parts is not heavy, even if it happens, it should not cause the bag to dislocate, given it's secured by cord around the neck

 

[quietwoods]

interesting.
so you think securing arms with a belt [I think just office zip-ties are good, you won't break them] is enough?

i think the whole body gets twitching/seizure, so maybe not only hands but also legs, so that the tank cannot be kicked.
head and torso - i think twitching of those body parts is not heavy, even if it happens, it should not cause the bag to dislocate, given it's secured by cord around the neck

You have to be able to put the bag over your head, so I don't think zip ties would work.

I was going to put a band around the cushion underneath me. Put my body underneath the band but leave arms free. Put bag over head, secure it. Slip arms underneath band. Inhale.

Not sure of what type of band, just something that can keep me in place and not potentially flailing. Might also help with last second SI.

 

[Romanticize]

You have to be able to put the bag over your head, so I don't think zip ties would work.

I was going to put a band around the cushion underneath me. Put my body underneath the band but leave arms free. Put bag over head, secure it. Slip arms underneath band. Inhale.

Not sure of what type of band, just something that can keep me in place and not potentially flailing. Might also help with last second SI.

ah yeah didnt think about it, you are right need some kind of tunnel so I can slip the hands in

I think i would skip it, I have seen some pics of people after successful inert gas attempt, everyone had their hands loose and free.
twitching is just small muscle contractions, I guess my hands wont be flying so they can damage the bag or something.

 

[quietwoods]

ah yeah didnt think about it, you are right need some kind of tunnel so I can slip the hands in

I think i would skip it, I have seen some pics of people after successful inert gas attempt, everyone had their hands loose and free.
twitching is just small muscle contractions, I guess my hands wont be flying so they can damage the bag or something.

Yeah I know many are successful without doing anything, but that small chance of something getting messed up and being left a vegetable scares me.

Would rather put in a little more effort to avoid that outcome.

 

[outrider567]

The EEBD Hood, by contrast, is on very tightly, it would be impossible for a Hood to be removed no matter how much convulsing or twitching, and the tubing is 5 feet long, so there's no chance of that being dislodged