How would you know that? Can you look into the future?
Nine out of ten people who attempt suicide and survive will not go on to die by suicide at a later date. This has been well-established in the suicidology literature. A literature review (Owens 2002) summarized 90 studies that have followed over time…
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Nine out of ten people who attempt suicide and survive will not go on to die by suicide at a later date.
No point for everyone. Everyone dies no matter what.
So? Doesn't mean you can't make the best out of life
I'm not.
Like I said, there is no point in that, because it would be insignificant. There are over 8 billion people on this planet and even though there are many who dedicated themselves to a cause, it didn't change jackshit.
It changed somethings. We have had great advancements in medicine over the past 100 years alleviating the suffering of many. But according to you, since we can't alleviate all suffering we should all just cease to exist. Brilliant.
Ok.
Ok.
Doesn't matter to me. "Some" isn't "everyone", and not "everyone" wants to "recover" anyway.
Yes that's why you need a middle ground approach that covers both cases. That middle ground approach isn't "hey you want to die? Ok die. Byeeee"
Ok.
No it's not lmao. There is a reason why there are still so many religious people around even though so many churches around the world have a history of sexual child abuse. It's a fact that most of society has been brainwashed by their parents, religion, and education.
Wow great point. I'm gonna look at all the great thinkers, philosophers that ever lived and call them brainwashed because they didn't ctb the moment they were born.
Good for you.
And that is?
Having a family, kids, romance, marriage. You know the normal life things that brainwashed people do that don't consider killing themselves the moment they were born? But it's so pointless to you so why try at all right? After all we are gonna die anyways right? Juvenile understanding of life
Everyone dies no matter what. Or are others immortal?
Doesn't mean you can't make the best out of life even if you think it's pointless in the end.
I'm smart enough to be able to tell that life is pointless and that society has been brainwashed by their parents, religion, and education, which is why they see nothing wrong with slaving away for most of their lives.
Lol "life is pointless" take is literal im14andthisisdeep take. But you are smarter than all the great writers and philosophers who lived who "slaved away" their pointless lives. Okay.
I've known many suicidal people who never had anything bad happening to them, but they still want to die. Life isn't for everyone. For many suicidal people, just being alive alone is terrible enough. You can't get better from that, except if you die and are released from the suffering on this planet.
Then these people should get euthanesia. But you argued before that anyone who wishes to die should? That's not exactly the same thing.
Yup.
You know, you sound like a pro lifer to me. Are you one? I said that I would let suicidal people die. It means that I'm respecting their wish. I would never let anyone die if they don't want to die.
I'm pro choice given the fact that there is a rational suicide. A child coming to you and saying they want to die is not a rational suicide. But you would let them die anyways right, after all their word matters so much and there is literally no way to help them right?
And I'm glad that I'm not brainwashed as you are.
You are the opposite side of the same coin.
Have you looked around you? Do you think life on this planet is anything but hell?
For some people it is. For some it isn't. It's in the eye of the beholder
That would depend on several factors. Why they want to die. If they can recover. If they want to recover. I needed help in my childhood so I chose to self harm. I don't see a child choosing suicide because they need help.
You don't see because you don't want to see. You are okay with letting kids commit suicide. I already understood your pro death beliefs before. There is nothing about them that's rational. Your brain doesn't even develop till you are 25, let alone your perspective on life changes drastically. But why giving them a chance to see if they can turn things around, just let them die lmao.
Again, not everyone who is suicidal had bad things happening to them, many suicidal people are suicidal because they generally hate life, how do you stop suffering from that? I'm eager to hear your answer.
If they hate life and don't want to live and can't change things go ahead let them ctb. You are the one that's advocating for not letting them change things. What you are advocating for is the moment someone claims" I want to die" is letting them die which is pro death.
Nobody said that.
Just like how not everyone who wants to have a child, should be allowed to have a child. Y know? Because why do you act like it's wrong to want to die, but correct if you force someone into existence and suffering?
Why is it always forcing someone into existence and suffering with you guys? They can live a happy life with some bumps down the road. That's not a life of suffering.
No.
Unless people are rich or are doing money with youtube or other social media platforms, everyone is slaving away.
So not everyone then? And if you enjoy what you are doing are you still slaving away?
And some people don't suffer at all and yet can only think about death. Because life isn't for everyone.
Refer to answer above
That's a disgusting way to romanticize slavery and brainwashing.
Oh no, someone thinks someone who enjoys going to their 9-5 job and doesn't think about ctb as brainwashed. Yes they love being a slave to companies, they go to work, come home see their family and decide to go to work again. Who are you to tell them otherwise?
"I enjoy what i do"
"But you are a slave to companies haven't you thought of that?"
"Nah I just enjoy doing this work and idc"
"Oh no you are brainwashed you are supposed to hate slavery"
"Haha no"
Brilliant logix
I didn't know that people who are pro slavery are on this forum.
I knew pro death people are on the forum.
Again, your perspective on things doesn't matter to people who don't share that perspective. They have their own lives so they can decide what's good and what's bad ok? You thinking it's wrong to slave away your life for companies is your own personal idea, plenty of people don't think that way and enjoy earning money and spending it on things.
And?
It doesn't make a difference, they're going to die one day anyway. It really doesn't make a difference if a suicidal person decided to die now by their own hands, or die due to old age many years after that. All suicide would do, is prevent a lot of suffering.
Well first, if you have a family then you are just spreading that suffering onto other people. Second, not everyone lives a life of suffering.
There is no logic behind dying now because you will die later anyway. Why not see what you can do in life instead of killing yourself? Some people enjoy life believe it or not. And they aren't brainwashed
It's definitely more rational than:
Person A: "I will become a mother/father and force someone into existence"
Their existence can be beautiful and peaceful
People: "Congrats!"
Person B: "I want to die"
People: "Wtf? How dare you? Think about how it will affect your family!"
No what's better is:
"I want to die"
"Ok bye"
Which one is more cruel? At least when you tell that to someone you can make them rethink their actions and point them toward recovery and they can recover
The fact that euthanasia isn't legalized everywhere and the fact that suicidal people are looked down upon, shows that there isn't a middle ground here.
I know there isn't but what you are arguing for isn't middle ground it's a pro death society
I'm looking at it from a neutral pov. Death is a fact. Everyone dies one day. Suffering is also a fact. Animals get slaughtered for food and clothes, wars happen everywhere every day, the rich people don't help the poor people, so many orphans are out there but people would rather want mini versions of themselves so they make the world even more overpopulated.
So you are using some bad facts about the world to basically justify people not helping people alleviate their suffering and instead basically death as a way out?
The only people who love suffering are masochists. You don't have to suffer more or less than someone, to want to die. If someone doesn't consider their suffering as suffering then they are either delusional or just that brainwashed/broken.
no, some suffering is unpleasant but it goes away and you get better. Some suffering is permanent. What you are advocating for is that anyone who suffers who considers death be allowed to die instead of letting them get help first to see if they can change things around. Like I said. Pro death.
Some people seek out suffering because they like to overcome things. Doesn't make them sadistic lmao
Oh really? Is there any other reason as to why euthanasia isn't legalized eveywhere?
Yes because death is tragic and it brings grief and suffering to other people. I am all for legalisation do euthanesia everywhere but with some restrictions. I know you would be for euthanesia for anyone though without any restrictions which would ultimately create disaster as little kids would die and people why could overcome things would choose death instead. But that is what you want probably.
Humanity has wiped out 60% of animals since 1970. There are 36 animal species that became extinct due to human activity. Humanity hasn't died because we're at the top of the food chain.
So just because some animal species died before we should wipe ourselves out because we are so bad and terrible?
Very manipulative and clever of you, pro lifer.
Not a pro lifer like I said. I am about pro choice but with some evaluation so that people impulsively don't kill themselves.
You on otherhand are pro death because life is meaningless to you so anyone who suffers shouldn't get help but instead should die. Very good you clarified that.
Lol. I never said that. All I said is that recovery isn't possible for everyone and that not everyone wants to recover. I hate how you act like the feelings of a 13 year old are invalid just because of their age. A 13 year old who suffers, doesn't suffer less than a 23 year old or 33 year old, just because they are 13. I'm pro choice.
Their perspective on life is different. Brain doesn't develop until 25.
Nobody asked to be born so everyone should have the right to die. The fact that you see nothing wrong with forcing someone into existence, also tells me a lot about you. Because the way I see it, a person who commits suicide is basically like "Life? Nope, not for me, I'm out",
Like I said. Pro death. If a child said that to you you wouldn't actually help them recover you would just say ok this child doesn't want to live. It's better to let them die. It's what they want after all
while a person who forces someone into existence is like "Hey, you're here because of me, because I and your father decided to have you, anways I know you didn't ask to be born, but you're gonna have to live anyway because I told you so, so go to school, go to work, slave away and suffer for many years, because that's what society wants you to do, you may not enjoy living but you're gonna have to live because I tell you so, wars happen everywhere every day but who cares, people kill each other everywhere every day but who cares, the rich people don't help the poor people but who cares, just slave away for 50+ years of your life and die of old age, because you're gonna have to die, because of me". How do you not see anything wrong with THAT?
Unfortunately that's our world. Doesn't mean everyone is suffering. Doesn't mean everyone can't enjoy it. It is your perspective. Some people don't consider it slaving away, they enjoy raising kids, seeing them grow, go to college, get jobs. You know non suicidal people things? According to you, everyone who is non suicidal and doesn't want to leave the world is brainwashed. Insane thinking absolutely. Every great man or woman that ever lived and didn't kill themselves were just brainwashed according to you because they didn't see that life is suffering and there is no point.
It is wrong according to you. Your perspective isn't relevant for people who enjoy life, and they have every right to do so.
