Discussion It's literally barbaric that humans are born. without easy ways to end their lives

[fkyou]

It's literally barbaric that humans are born. without easy ways to end their lives. With how fragile the human body is.and how many people get sick.you'd think euthanasia would be very necessary and valued in society.can you imagine that we have all this technology but something as premitive as the ability to end a life of someone sick is prohibited! Like why birth them if you don't secure a safe peaceful exit for them. That's not a life it's a cage you doomed them in.after years of suffering all I wanted is a drama free exit but that's not the case.

 

[gameoverman]

It's literally barbaric that humans are born. without easy ways to end their lives. With how fragile the human body is.and how many people get sick.you'd think euthanasia would be very necessary and valued in society.can you imagine that we have all this technology but something as premitive as the ability to end a life of someone sick is prohibited! Like why birth them if you don't secure a safe peaceful exit for them. That's not a life it's a cage you doomed them in.after years of suffering all I wanted is a drama free exit but that's not the case.

I fully agree. I didn't ask to be born so I should at least have the option to end my life whenever I want and in a peaceful,reliable way. Nembutal should be available for every adult person that wants to CTB without any questions.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

the tech is there but they criminalized it so they purposefully made it almost impossible to escape extreme torture.

If i'm in unbearable pain or soon will be i can't hire someone to aid me with suicide to escape extreme torture. because they made that a crime .

if they hadn't criminailzed all this then i could hire someone to inject me with nembutal , fenntanyl , morphine , heroin, or take opoids or use the sarco suicide booth or buy and drink nembutal.i could also hire someone to shoot me in the head 10 times but they made that a crime too.

There has been for a very long time a way to exit this nightmare called life . and that is to hire someone to help you with suicide. but government creeps made that a crime.

There are many technologies like the sarco, nembutal , fentanyl etc that can be used to exit this hell.

the problem is government creeps made anything that can be used as a guaranteed painless suicide method into crimes.

it's not inherently illegal to hire someone to help you exit. they purposefully passed laws to make this a crime. so no one wants to go to prison. it wasn't a crime until the creeps made it a crime.

i'm in the U.S. i could also hire or pay someone to shoot me with a gun 10 times in the head. but i can't cause they'll put me in prison for trying to escape extreme torture. anyone that would help me by shooting me they would also put in prison , no one wants to take that risk even if offered money.

they made all these crimes to keep us in the prison. we are slaves prisoners.

 

[Mr. Snrub]

We're all expected to uphold a vital lie: that being alive is a good in itself. Disillusionment with this idea must equate to mental illness because if it doesn't, if it's just an equally valid way of seeing things, then the entire system might collapse under the weight of the ridiculous nonsense it imposes on the individual. The implicit cruelty of nature and biology. The established and official cruelties of cultures and societies. Apparently it all needs universal approval to continue working at all.

Don't agree? You do have a right to die. But nobody is going to help you. Every exit is covered with barbs and thorns that make passing through one possibly the most harrowing experience of all. So fall in line or you're going to have a rough time of it opting out!

 

[Forever Sleep]

It would make it slightly more morally acceptible in my eyes to bring life here, if it had the freedom to leave it if it chose to. That's still not without its issues though.

Do we allow a 7 year old assisted suicide? Are they able to fully comprehend the decision at that age? Or, do we still insist they stick around till age 18 or older even? Some people would prefer the limit to be 24- when the brain has fully developed. The problem being that- if their life was indeed shit, they would have had to endured 18-24 years of shit!

I wonder if families/ loved ones would be willing to relinquish loved ones- especially children- even if it was legalised. I wonder if forcing the issue would simply make people adjust to accept it.

I expect it would turn more people anti-natilist if they realised their children would have an easy option to opt out if they wanted.

I doubt it will happen though. Unless there is extreme change in the world and it makes it economically sensible to cull the population. I doubt parents will ever support it though.

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

I can see pretty clearly what you are getting at. Mankind, refusing the extinction of consciousness, constructed an illusion prison and created a life that would continue after the quiet of the brain. What was a reassuring myth gradually hardened into dogma, closed by the centuries of persecution, incendies, and propaganda until it was ingrained in politics and legislation. This illusion, accomplished in the form of disappearing into thin air, has been masked as the "gift of life," but is truly an institutionalized system that forces human beings to persevere with a life they do not desire. With this belief constructed as the moral and legal foundation, society compels individuals to extend their misery just to maintain a fiction, making the avoidance of dying an institution.

 

[angelofbows]

No, because the healthcare system would lose money, the government would lose money, and the population would go down, because everyone knows that we come here without reason, and just to suffer then drop dead, so everyone would want to commit suicide once it's made normal and rational, world leaders would be mad.

 

[failedcel09]

It's literally barbaric that humans are born. without easy ways to end their lives. With how fragile the human body is.and how many people get sick.you'd think euthanasia would be very necessary and valued in society.can you imagine that we have all this technology but something as premitive as the ability to end a life of someone sick is prohibited! Like why birth them if you don't secure a safe peaceful exit for them. That's not a life it's a cage you doomed them in.after years of suffering all I wanted is a drama free exit but that's not the case.

It's worse that a lot of european governemts criminalise the most painless way to kill yourself: That being firearms. Sure, you can get a license for it, but that takes extremely fucking long and is expensive too.

if they hadn't criminailzed all this then i could hire someone to inject me with nembutal , fenntanyl , morphine , heroin, or take opoids or use the sarco suicide booth or buy and drink nembutal.

Attempting suicide with most of these is either extremely painful and/or has a high chance of failing, getting you sent to a mental institution and generally fucking up your life. The only real "painless" way to guarantee death are guns, but these aren't really available for most people outside of the US

if they hadn't criminailzed all this then i could hire someone to inject me with nembutal , fenntanyl , morphine , heroin, or take opoids or use the sarco suicide booth or buy and drink nembutal.

Attempting suicide with most of these is either extremely painful and/or has a high chance of failing, getting you sent to a mental institution and generally fucking up your life. The only real "painless" way to guarantee death are guns, but these aren't really available for most people outside of the US

 

[TheVanishingPoint]

It would make it slightly more morally acceptible in my eyes to bring life here, if it had the freedom to leave it if it chose to. That's still not without its issues though.

Do we allow a 7 year old assisted suicide? Are they able to fully comprehend the decision at that age? Or, do we still insist they stick around till age 18 or older even? Some people would prefer the limit to be 24- when the brain has fully developed. The problem being that- if their life was indeed shit, they would have had to endured 18-24 years of shit!

I wonder if families/ loved ones would be willing to relinquish loved ones- especially children- even if it was legalised. I wonder if forcing the issue would simply make people adjust to accept it.

I expect it would turn more people anti-natilist if they realised their children would have an easy option to opt out if they wanted.

I doubt it will happen though. Unless there is extreme change in the world and it makes it economically sensible to cull the population. I doubt parents will ever support it though.

You're coming at this from a position of ownership of another human being's life. Granting that you do have the right to determine when a human being is "able" to put an end to his/her own misery is straight-up paternalism. It's power masquerading as protection. Misery can't be quantified in years lived but is instead perceived in the moment. Forcing a 5 or 7-year-old to live against their will because you've decided they "can't really get it" is only you asserting the right to decide what is the level of their tolerance. You don't own their body, you don't carry their mind, and you can't fill up the world they live in every second. If the principle is self-determination, then everyone possesses it otherwise, it's not self-determination whatsoever; it's control and conditional allowance by the powers that be. And that's not morality it's control.

 

[LetMeOut67]

I live in England
The home of "mustn't grumble"
Most people are fortunate in that they've never sunk so low that they've been made aware of the very uncomfortable truth that life itself is a fate much much worse than death for an unlucky minority
I've thought about starting a Euthanasia political party
It's a good way of aiming a broadside at smug mainstream society that insists that this nonsense called existence is fundamentally a positive thing
If half of these pricks had to live my life for a week they'd be begging for non existence

 

[Forever Sleep]

You're coming at this from a position of ownership of another human being's life. Granting that you do have the right to determine when a human being is "able" to put an end to his/her own misery is straight-up paternalism. It's power masquerading as protection. Misery can't be quantified in years lived but is instead perceived in the moment. Forcing a 5 or 7-year-old to live against their will because you've decided they "can't really get it" is only you asserting the right to decide what is the level of their tolerance. You don't own their body, you don't carry their mind, and you can't fill up the world they live in every second. If the principle is self-determination, then everyone possesses it otherwise, it's not self-determination whatsoever; it's control and conditional allowance by the powers that be. And that's not morality it's control.

This isn't necessarily my position on it. I was refering to it as something I imagine would be held up in opposition.

Me personally? I just don't know what to think really. On the one hand, I'm genuinely not sure a 4, 5, 6 year old can fully grasp what they would be asking. Do you think they could then?

Would you have a minimum age at all? The moment they can speak, if they seemed keen on dieing, would you grant that? Would you expect parents to?

Can you not see that being abused by bad parents who want rid of their irritating 4 year old? Now darling- tell this nice lady with the injection what you told me last night...

Do you think you can reason with a 4 year old? I can't say I've tried- to be fair. But then, I've heard very young children don't fully grasp what death actually is for a while. Maybe that's patronozing though. I just don't know.

It wasn't intended as a personal objection though. Just something that I think could and would create (understandable I believe) unease.

While I'm all for autonomy and the power to choose, I'm not keen on the 'nembutal for all' stance. I think there do need to be some regulations to prevent impulsive attempts, coercion (murder). Plus, a genuine and fair study on who and when we are able to fully grasp the decision.

 

[Nightfoot]

Biologically speaking, the survival of the species takes precedence over the individual.

 

[Unicron]

The establishment is determined to keep us all alive but then won't look after us when they do. I really don't understand it. We should all be allowed to go when we want to. This is just inhumane.

 

[numbeyesopen26]

The government needs humans to control - it's simple if anyone who wants to starts dying they have no one to control. I wish sometimes humans were like before, no society, just in survival mode, at least you had a purpose. Jobs now have no purpose- when you die you're dead that's it. Idk I find it all weird. Who says we need all these jobs. It's all about control. It's money. Money destroyed everything

 

[Hellis]

Was gonna say evolutions a bitch with SI and all that, but then I saw you meant it in terms of society. Honestly it is barbaric, the people in power don't want us alive anyways so why aren't they making it easier??

 

[SilentSadness]

I agree, we are dragged here without consent, gaslit relentlessly into believing that it was somehow morally right for that to happen, constantly monitored and abused, subject to extreme work conditions, gaslit more about that as well, and have all of the exits locked up because we are again gaslit into believing that it's mental illness causing one to want to leave. It's a torture chamber. I'm sorry that you're also here, this is the biggest mess to ever exist and we are all victims whether they know it or not.