Method It's gonna be nearly impossible to CTB in a few decades

[Disaster]

how can you ctb with helium? Inhalation? cause I don't see how getting a tank of it from party city is difficult

As far as I understand, it's used in the exit bag method to minimize the suffering. The person using it is supposed to not feel the suffocating, because they have "something" to breathe, just with no oxygen in it. You need to properly read about it, damn, you wouldn't buy a smartphone basing only on an advice on a forum, why would you ctb (or buy ctb supplies) without reading about it first?

 

[HadItAll]

cause I don't see how getting a tank of it from party city is difficult

They have additives in it now, it's not pure enough to work anymore, you'd only damage yourself.

 

[henikova]

how can you ctb with helium? Inhalation? cause I don't see how getting a tank of it from party city is difficult

Those usually contain oxygen too. Enough oxygen to keep you conscious until rising CO2 level reaches the point where your suicide instinct kicks in.

 

[yive]

yes... unfortunately, it's getting harder and harder to ctb in this dystopian fucked up pro-torture pro-enslavement world, so i need to take action asap. although I think it will still be possible in the future, but even more difficult/risky than now

Agree and with the help of the Google tracking and ai they can put u in a mental hospital indefinitely because you are deemed a threat to yourself.

Just 4 years ago I remember seeing hundreds of online SN sources that delivered to individuals no questions Asked . Now I don't see hardly any so they are moving in the opposite direction. If SN is so painful and ineffective why have they restricted it so much since people started using it for ctb? This was in the US

i hate so much all this "a threat to yourself" stuff. YOU are a threat to me, pro-lifers, you are a threat to my freedom

 

[Forever Sleep]

Think it will either go that way or the other- but either way- I'm sure it will be dictated by economics. Maybe it will become more economical for our governments to start offering assisted suicide to those no longer able to contribute to society. They'll do it under the guise of being merciful of course but I'm sure they are already starting to worry about an increasingly elderly population. If more people decide not to have children also- and more are unable to work due to mental illness- I expect that will put further strain on the system.

Still- I know what you mean. I'm certain that SN will become harder to obtain over the next few years. Perhaps some brainy biologists/chemists will come up with other ideas but you can bet- the moment it catches on, it will be restricted.

 

[TAW122]

I would certainly hope that such a reality will never come to pass, but I suppose it would depend on many different factors, economics, AI progression, morals and ethics of the people (I know while a good chunk of the world is becoming more secular). I heard arguments from both sides and I don't think either side is wrong but simply depends on the factors that @Forever Sleep has mentioned.

Assuming that economics is the main driving force and that AI has become more advanced to the degree that it makes many more jobs and positions redundant, obsolete, and people become more and more irrelevant for the economy (barring a few key positions to maintain hardware and software of the AI, jobs that AI cannot completely replace, etc.), then yes, the government could be looking for ways to unburden the system. Ideally, this would be beneficial for people who don't wish to live anymore because if they allowed ease of access to voluntary euthanasia, a good chunk of us would likely meet some/most of the criteria to gain access to it.

However, if the other scenario is true, then indeed, it would be much, much harder to CTB due to the limited access of (reliable) methods and means to effectively CTB. While there are always going to be very determined people who will CTB, the limited means/methods of CTB'ing still available in such a dystopian scenario would be less reliable, leaving to violent deaths and/or drawn out suffering until the end. Hopefully, this scenario never arises and that enough (sensible) people will push back against governmental overreach as well as the unethical prolonging of natural life (ironically, for the religious people who like to claim 'God's plan' and allowing it to run it's course, they would be in contradiction with their own faith if they decide to prolong life against nature-- but that's another point for another discussion).

 

[GasMonkey]

Really?

I literally bought everything on Internet (SCBA regulator/demand valve/mask, Nitrogen cylinder, air-to-nitrogen adapter) and had it all directly shipped to my house, no questions asked.

 

[HadItAll]

Really?

I literally bought everything on Internet (SCBA regulator/demand valve/mask, Nitrogen cylinder, air-to-nitrogen adapter) and had it all directly shipped to my house, no questions asked.

I'm about to order this shit too. Are there any considerations with storing the N cylinder somewhere in my apartment for an extended period of time? Could it blow up in summer if it gets too hot in my apartment? Or in the winter if it gets too cold due to an open window, for example?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm about to order this shit too. Are there any considerations with storing the N cylinder somewhere in my apartment for an extended period of time? Could it blow up in summer if it gets too hot in my apartment? Or in the winter if it gets too cold due to an open window, for example?

I'm no expert when it comes to changes in temperature but I have seen how cautious welders are with gas canisters- I've seen them chained to specifically designed trolleys- to stop them being pushed over. Perhaps they were being over cautious but it made me nervous!

 

[Shadowlord900]

While some materials such as SN and Nitrogen may get more difficult to get a hold of as time goes on, they won't become impossible to get. Both SN and Nitrogen have far too many practical uses outside of suicide to be regulated to the point of being impossible to get by the general public. (Unfortunately this can be country dependent, I've read somewhere here before about a few members living in countries where SN is now deemed as an illegal substance.) This isn't the same with Nembutal, which was originally used as a sleeping drug until it got replaced with the far less dangerous benzos, and now is practically only used for euthanasia.

 

[GasMonkey]

Could it blow up in summer if it gets too hot in my apartment? Or in the winter if it gets too cold due to an open window, for example?

Nope, the cylinders are prepared for temperature changes.

 

[HadItAll]

Nope, the cylinders are prepared for temperature changes.

Did you order from the source ppeh suggests?

 

[GasMonkey]

If you mean the EU source, I tried to other a 10L 5.0 cylinder and they cancelled the order telling me that they don't send cylinders abroad. I don't know why coz 4 years ago I bought a 2L 2.8 cylinder and they sent it. Maybe they have changed their policy, or they sent the 2L cylinder coz is really small.

My current main cylinder is a 10L 4.0 from 4m4z0n.

 

[loveechoes]

Really?

I literally bought everything on Internet (SCBA regulator/demand valve/mask, Nitrogen cylinder, air-to-nitrogen adapter) and had it all directly shipped to my house, no questions asked.

I need all of that.

 

[HadItAll]

If you mean the EU source, I tried to other a 10L 5.0 cylinder and they cancelled the order telling me that they don't send cylinders abroad. I don't know why coz 4 years ago I bought a 2L 2.8 cylinder and they sent it. Maybe they have changed their policy, or they sent the 2L cylinder coz is really small.

My current main cylinder is a 10L 4.0 from 4m4z0n.

Why'd you try to order a 10L cylinder? Isn't 2L cylinder enough?

 

[hellispink]

We live in a cruel and injust world. If people kill themselves then they won't have anyone to sell poisonous medication to and the hypocrites therapists could lose much jobs among others things. They need the suffering and people to be slaves for the economy to keep going. Only those with money and resources will be able to suicide in the future. Its super hard now but wilk be even harder later on . Painless suicide is a privilege , most cannot and will never have it. Most people will have to rely on jumping or hanging which hurt a lot in order to finish this nightmare. Humans enjoy human suffering.

 

[angelcircuit]

We live in a cruel and injust world. If people kill themselves then they won't have anyone to sell poisonous medication to and the hypocrites therapists could lose much jobs among others things. They need the suffering and people to be slaves for the economy to keep going. Only those with money and resources will be able to suicide in the future. Its super hard now but wilk be even harder later on . Painless suicide is a privilege , most cannot and will never have it. Most people will have to rely on jumping or hanging which hurt a lot in order to finish this nightmare. Humans enjoy human suffering.

This. This exactly.

We live in such a disgusting world. It feels like the more I wait around for the possibility to get better the more I risk losing my way out. Of course, if there is a will there is always a way, but we already have to go through hoops to have a even remotely peaceful death. Time is running out for us, isn't it?

 

[GasMonkey]

Why'd you try to order a 10L cylinder?

Spare gas for tests and purity checking.

Isn't 2L cylinder enough?

From Scrooge's calculations, 2L 200bar with a SCBA would be enough. Even for an ExitBag at 15 LPM, but you wouldn't have any spare gas for tests. It's better to get a 5L 200bar, which is still a small and easily manageable cylinder and gives you a lot of safety margin.

 

[zeenatax]

The currently available easily accessible and peaceful methods for ctb may become harder and harder to access but people will always find new ways. Look at the war on drugs. It is a joke. Harder they restrict the availability of illegal drugs more and more new drugs in plenty are flooding the market. As far as there are chemicals humans will find a way. There are already thousands of dangerous chemicals available in the market. I think it is only a matter of time. But unlike recreational drugs there's no big market for ctb now. As some of the people said in the thread that if the society as whole will become more or more suicidal, that means the market for ctb will become bigger and bigger and at some point it will become more profitable to ignore it for those underground enterprises who produce recreational drugs. As you know already the as the profit grows it will be harder for the capitalist system to ignore. The greedy capitalist will try cope it into the system like the way they are now legalizing some recreational drugs. Who knows there may be some creative chemist already scheming. May be the word has not gotten out there yet. In this internet era it will be extremely difficult for anyone to control information like that. There are already millions of internet users in the world who just for the sake of pissing off the system would happily publish those information. Even SN was accidentally discovered when N become scarce. SN was initially researched to find a humane way to control the wild pigs population.

 

[HadItAll]

Is IC website down for anyone else?

I’m trying to sort out my package which is stuck in customs, but I can’t seem to access the IC website suddenly? Has anyone else got this problem?

sanctioned-suicide.net

I didn't order in time... Too much of a paranoid person to order from a site like that right away, but eventually i was going to...

 

[Worndown]

There will always be rope, rivers and high places.

 

[Superdeterminist]

There's literally a suicide pod developed by some doctor for painless end but you need to go through all official channels to get into it

Ah, the 'sarco'. But I think that device is still not being officially used anywhere? It is still awaiting some kind of 'go-ahead', was what I thought.

 

[Source Energy]

The windows of buildings cannot be sealed, guns cannot be removed nor pills. There is always a method.

yes - but how many of us are capable and willing to ctb with those? most of us would be trapped here for decades...

 

[Zegers]

yes - but how many of us are capable and willing to ctb with those? most of us would be trapped here for decades...

That's right, even those who will do eventually, we have been long trapped.

 

[NoLongerHuman.]

Honestly, I've noticed this and it's making me feel uncomfortable. Ctb always felt like a way out for me, and now that its getting harder and harder to do with comfort its just making me more willing to do it now or never.

 

[CentreMid]

I know this thread is a few months old, but I agree, I see humanity moving in the opposite direction, which is a shame.

Governments and the rich will do anything to keep us wage-slaves in check so they can hold onto whatever power they have left, which unfortunately includes imposing anti-choice laws so we have a lesser chance of a peaceful and humane exit.

 

[Unwr!tten]

I completely agree and it's disgusting.