It's all a fucking bitter joke

[TheHatedOne]

Think about it... it all started from nothing. All that is here today started from nothing! The planets, the resources, the animals, humans seemingly came out from nothing, and how random it is! I mean most people believe in this theory, but even looking at other theories they don't really add up. Suppose that the religious theory is true, that God created all this bullshit. How the fuck do you just decide one day ''yeah let's just create a limitless universe, covered in entropy and add some planets with limited resources and add different species with countless of needs in order to fight each other for those resources, oh oh oh but we don't stop here, let's create the humans which will be different from those animals, but not by much, give them awareness and thought and watch those motherfuckers struggle''. If God really exists, then he is the real monster.

It all happened so randomly that, to me, this is probably the most scary thing that there is. But also how easy it was to create this mess. We came here randomly, we live an existence full of suffering and pain and then we die. What is this all for? What's even more fucked up is that survival is at the core of every species that there is, including humans. So, you want to hop out this unnecessary experience? Good luck, survival instinct and evolution make it almost impossible to do that. The fact that someone can experience the most brutal torture ever and still not be able to put an end on their suffering after because of their survival instinct is outrageous.

It's unnecessary, it doesn't make sense (just fight for resources or what even), almost impossible to get out of it. It's all a fucking bitter joke. Whoever/whatever created this just wanted to have a laugh by creating this perverted shit. Fuck whoever/whatever created this.

 

[darkwater]

The many worlds theory is the only one that makes sense to me. Everything else would need a God because the fundamental constants are too perfect. But then we come back to the point where God comes from.

But I also do not think that we currently see the whole, existence is just too bizarre

 

[Snake of Eden]

Amen

 

[Hurt]

I agree to what you say. Sometimes I feel ashamed of myself for being a human.

 

[BluesRunTheGame]

For the good-looking people it's all fine (and why would they question it anyway?)

 

[TheHatedOne]

For the good-looking people it's all fine (and why would they question it anyway?)

Yeah well I've been speaking about it on a macro scale. On a micro scale of course it depends on the person. Those who have it well won't question it, those who have it bad will question it daily. In the end this is what existence is.

 

[UnemployedMD]

Survival instinct starts to go away after prolonged exposures to repeated and unrelenting traumas. Mine is basically nonexistent at this point and most things I do at this point are a reflection of that. I agree though that actually finishing the job takes some determination but I think it's a lot easier once you feel like your options are exhausted and there is no path to any sort of happiness.

Having a nihilistic view also helps a lot. It took me a while to realize just how meaningless everything is and how death is really the only thing that finally puts an end to this torturous existence. But that is really trying to look at things are rationally as possible. No matter what any of us do, it is completely pointless in the grand scheme of everything.

 

[Sunset Limited]

I think this whole reality is a project. God or gods don't want to be known. It is such a reality that we can never be sure whether it came into existence spontaneously or someone created it. We are exactly where they want us to be. they are watching. Just as we experiment with monkeys, they have fun with us. I don't know, is there any other explanation for this bullshit?

 

[Snake of Eden]

I think this whole reality is a project. God or gods don't want to be known. It is such a reality that we can never be sure whether it came into existence spontaneously or someone created it. We are exactly where they want us to be. they are watching. Just as we experiment with monkeys, they have fun with us. I don't know, is there any other explanation for this bullshit?

I share your beliefs. They are mocking us watching each and everyone of us with no idea whats going on behind the scenes

 

[Sunset Limited]

I share your beliefs. They are mocking us watching each and everyone of us with no idea whats going on behind the scenes

We even watch ourselves on youtube. Only recorded moments. They are watching everything, maybe through our eyes.

 

[Pluto]

I'm no proponent of organised religion, but I will add, the worst idea that science has come up with is that combining protons, neutrons and electrons in a particular combination (i.e. an animal/human body) magically creates consciousness. Not sure how anyone can take that concept seriously.

Let's start here: rationally, nothing should exist. No Gods, no consciousness, no universe, no beings. There should be nobody to be aware of the absence of the universe. That anything at all exists - even a single grain of sand - is infinitely mind-blowing, intrinsically beyond understanding, and utterly futile to try and figure out. That's why the wise man Socrates simply says, "I know that I know nothing."

To progress with this line of questioning, instead of coming up with new ideas, one must remove the ideas that have been accumulated through conditioning. Even the belief that the world is real. Or the sense that the waking state is more real than the dream state. Or the idea that our bodies/minds are anything more than a meaningless appearance. Etc.

The ultimate question that will arise is, "Who am I?" - of course not referring to the body or mind, but that which witnesses all the passing phenomena including the body/mind. A small minority of people have achieved profound revelations through exploring such questions - done right, it leads to permanent ego death. Lucky bastards.

 

[LONE WOLF.]

God is a Two-faced Shithead and a liar, All Religions are Bollocks! And l point blank refuse to acknowledge any of them!!!

 

[deflationary]

I'm no proponent of organised religion, but I will add, the worst idea that science has come up with is that combining protons, neutrons and electrons in a particular combination (i.e. an animal/human body) magically creates consciousness. Not sure how anyone can take that concept seriously.

What's your skepticism based on? There's no actual argument here. That it doesn't intuitively make sense doesn't mean that it isn't so. We don't know how it happens exactly but every piece of evidence points to consciousness arising from physical matter. At one point in time (and it wasn't at all long ago) we couldn't make sense of life either. We thought there had to be some sort of a hidden force that inhabited matter to make it living. Now we understand that it's all just physical processes and there's no sharp and fundamental difference between life and non-life. I expect the same will happen with our understanding of consciousness. There's no reason to think science has said its final word on the topic.

 

[Painless_end]

The problem is that we were all pulled out of the void and some were intrinsically better off than others on account of bigger more adaptive brains with defined goals to spend life on but some like me don't have that basic component and must contend with trying to survive and die at the same time. If that makes any sense.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I don't think there ever was truly nothing, since I think it's forever true that you could never derive something (this universe) from absolutely nothing. I think there must be something eternal from which it sprang, however I doubt that it is a god i.e. it possesses a conscious mind. That is a possibility, but in that case they are very clearly unconcerned with our suffering, and have designed us to suffer horribly, so yes they are evil in my book.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, life is just unnecessary, we were all perfectly fine not existing until we were forced to live. I do not believe in any religions/God I think we are only here because of evolution. Life is pointless, all we are doing is waiting around for death. I think our only purpose is an evolutionary one, to procreate and ensure that the species continues. In this life there is unlimited potential for suffering, there is no limit as to how bad things can get. Everything is determined by luck and chance. There is no meaning to any of this. I believe that in death there is true peace. I see death as being freedom from a horrible existence.

 

[Pluto]

What's your skepticism based on? There's no actual argument here. That it doesn't intuitively make sense doesn't mean that it isn't so.

It isn't an argument, and even if it were, the main point about reality being intrinsically unknowable to the feeble human mind is far more pertinent.

Religion has attempted to understand reality via creation myths, and science by analysing observable physical phenomena of the sense organs and their technological extensions. In claiming to have figured out conclusions over the fundamental nature of consciousness, everyone is slanted towards what they want to be true, with confirmation bias rampant. Nobody wants to admit that they have no idea. Our own grandiose self-importance is ironically a survival strategy in itself, common to both proponents of science and religion.

I cannot comment on the insights of those who have actually achieved ego death, as their main argument is that you have to go through it yourself for it to be more than a mere intellectual concept.

 

[deflationary]

Nobody wants to admit that they have no idea.

Is stating that "consciousness arising from matter is the worst idea science has come up with" admitting that you have no idea then? :)

You're actually way overstating your case when you say no one has any idea. We have plenty of idea, we just don't have the a full picture of the mechanisms.

 

[Green Destiny]

My dad said himself that this planet just happened to be the right distance from the sun to sustain life on it. That really is all that this is, random chance.

 

[motel rooms]

For the good-looking people it's all fine (and why would they question it anyway?)

Yeah, if you look good, you never experience any pain & you never question anything because you don't have a brain. How could someone considered good-looking suffer & think? That's unheard of!