Venting "It got better for me, therefore it will get better for everyone because I'm the main character and so my experience is obviously universal!"

[Wolf Girl]

Fuck off with this shit, god DAMN. I had to see it, so now y'all have to be exposed too. I'm not even going to vent because you guys know exactly what I have to say about this.

I'm the bullied fat girl in the screenshots and it's been nearly 20 years and nothing got better.

 

[HereUntilApril]

I feel you on this a lot. It can be hard when people say that it gets better because everyone is different. I feel like people that say this mean well, but it can feel very dismissive. The issue I have with it is that people say life gets better like it's an objective fact when it's more subjective. If life can get better, life can also get worse.

 

[Dejected 55]

Yeah... it doesn't get better for everyone... and the other side of that is... there are some people who have had it good their whole lives, and one day it will get worse for them... and they won't see it coming because nobody ever told them they needed to consider it.

It's like when I say something about being alone all my life and the loneliness is literally killing me... and people say "relationships aren't everything." MOST people who say that either are in a relationship OR have been in a relationship and are single by choice at the moment. Very few people will say that to you if they are in the same situation as you.

People usually downplay things they have that they take for granted and try to tell you how you shouldn't want those things... which is weird, because they obviously want them because they have them... I've asked countless people in relationships who tell me this to imagine their lives if their significant other was taken from them... would they be okay? I mean relationships aren't that great and all, so if your spouse vanished tomorrow, you would be cool, right? Or maybe imagine you never met that person in the first place, still cool? They never have an honest answer for me on that.

 

[Wolf Girl]

Yeah... it doesn't get better for everyone... and the other side of that is... there are some people who have had it good their whole lives, and one day it will get worse for them... and they won't see it coming because nobody ever told them they needed to consider it.

Yes, it's only socially acceptable to tell people it gets better. If a disabled person points out that anyone could end up disabled, that message is definitely not being blown up in ad campaigns the way "it gets better" was.

It's like when I say something about being alone all my life and the loneliness is literally killing me... and people say "relationships aren't everything." MOST people who say that either are in a relationship OR have been in a relationship and are single by choice at the moment. Very few people will say that to you if they are in the same situation as you.

People usually downplay things they have that they take for granted and try to tell you how you shouldn't want those things... which is weird, because they obviously want them because they have them... I've asked countless people in relationships who tell me this to imagine their lives if their significant other was taken from them... would they be okay? I mean relationships aren't that great and all, so if your spouse vanished tomorrow, you would be cool, right? Or maybe imagine you never met that person in the first place, still cool? They never have an honest answer for me on that.

"I've literally never been without access to this basic part of life before, but I definitely know for a fact that I'd be fine without having it as an option on the table if I was you." Right? Intimate relationships are very important to some people and that's okay. As someone who didn't start dating til very late, I can confidently say I missed out on a lot and I'll never get back all that time and youth. It's fair to feel like you feel.

 

[_Gollum_]

To be charitable, I think what a lot of people mean when they say this is that young people are emotionally dysregulated and haven't developed enough executive function to live healthy lives, but over time, they tend to even out, such that they become able to handle what life throws at them. And in fairness, I think this is true in a lot of cases.

But of course they don't have the nuance to understand that that's not everyone's case. That there might be some situations that are too much to handle, that there are some things that are unsolvable, that some people just straight-up don't have--and maybe even never had--a will to live. Or just the simple fact that what goes up must come down: sure, things get better, but things also get worse. For me as I've gotten older I've just gotten worse.

 

[caramelkidney]

To be charitable, I think what a lot of people mean when they say this is that young people are emotionally dysregulated and haven't developed enough executive function to live healthy lives, but over time, they tend to even out, such that they become able to handle what life throws at them. And in fairness, I think this is true in a lot of cases.

But of course they don't have the nuance to understand that that's not everyone's case. That there might be some situations that are too much to handle, that there are some things that are unsolvable, that some people just straight-up don't have--and maybe even never had--a will to live. Or just the simple fact that what goes up must come down: sure, things get better, but things also get worse. For me as I've gotten older I've just gotten worse.

was just about to say something like this. the advice in the original post is meant for people who have menial problems; the people on this forum are not that.

 

[Wolf Girl]

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Y'all, I understand that this post was aimed at teenagers and had good intent. But intent and impact are different. I am particularly frustrated by this post for 2 reasons:

1. I am routinely given this EXACT platitude as a grown woman in my mid-30s with permanent problems, including chronic pain, so that's inappropriate.

2. I wanted a husband and baby and I never got them because I am infertile (thank god tbh) and a failure at relationships. I consumed a lot of "everything works out in the end"/"it gets better" messages in my 20s and I sincerely believed that my life would someday just "get better." This has done a huge amount of harm as I've had to unpack those beliefs and accept reality.

It fucking hurts so much worse because they convinced me "it gets better."

 

[kopebaldy]

Things will be better if you just do [things]
I did, didn't change shit

If you do [things] you will feels [stuff]
Nope, ain't feeling shit

Trust me, you'll see yourself changing
Yeah I'm getting much angrier than before

You need to change your mindset
Yes because my feelings are switches I can turn off any moment

I understand that I'm weird, I understand that I'm stupid, I understand that I'm an unwanted guest in this thing we call life.

But I can't understand why the normals so against of me leaving, it's beneficial for both of us wtf do you mean no?

 

[LigottiIsRight]

I also was the bullied weirdo in school. Now I'm 31 and on the verge of suicide. It definitely gets better, one comes to see how absurd and futile everything is

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Yeah... it doesn't get better for everyone... and the other side of that is... there are some people who have had it good their whole lives, and one day it will get worse for them... and they won't see it coming because nobody ever told them they needed to consider it.

It's like when I say something about being alone all my life and the loneliness is literally killing me... and people say "relationships aren't everything." MOST people who say that either are in a relationship OR have been in a relationship and are single by choice at the moment. Very few people will say that to you if they are in the same situation as you.

People usually downplay things they have that they take for granted and try to tell you how you shouldn't want those things... which is weird, because they obviously want them because they have them... I've asked countless people in relationships who tell me this to imagine their lives if their significant other was taken from them... would they be okay? I mean relationships aren't that great and all, so if your spouse vanished tomorrow, you would be cool, right? Or maybe imagine you never met that person in the first place, still cool? They never have an honest answer for me on that.

There are not so few people who have had it good their whole lives and it will never get worse for them. The driving factors are not the external circumstances nor their abilities but the chemistry in their heads, which is somehow an ability too. And of course there are positive feed back loops.

Naturally this lucky majority in real life is a minority in a suicide forum. By the way, the wording "one day it will get worse for them" sounds a little envious.

 

[amerie]

Personally, I think it's obnoxious to say this type of rhetoric to a mentally or physically ill person who comes forward about their ailments and someone who has a lot more privilege and had the time to get better and "grow out of it" tries to tell their story without advocating against the socioeconomic and environmental stressors that lead to most people becoming mentally ill *cough Emman Atienza* WHO SAID RHAT???

That being said, I don't think people sharing their personal stories on their own blogs are doing it with the intent of selling you a guarantee, but they want you to try, try and see the beauty in life before you do something permanent that you wouldn't have done had you attempted proper recovery.

Especially when you're young and your brain isn't finished developing and you haven't experienced most of life, which can vary from a lot of people because everyone is different, but there are so many things I now know at 19 that I didn't at 14 and you don't really realize how small your world is. It's why I'm waiting to CTB until I'm in my 20s or 30s.

Of course unfortunately life isn't fair and sometimes it really doesn't.

 

[Dejected 55]

Another aspect to the "it gets better" platitude that I've never heard anyone discuss, and I only recently thought of myself...

Okay... define "better."

What if it does in fact get "better" but is still not very good, horrible even? What about people with long-term illnesses that leave them with permanent damage to their bodies. Yes, at some point it does get "better" but they still may be unable to do many things that mean a lot to them.

What about someone traumatized early in their life, and eventually they stop experiencing new trauma, so arguably it is "better" but their old trauma has scared them in ways that make moving forward in a meaningful way difficult?

So, besides those of us who do not believe it will get better, and all the people for whom it did not get better... don't forget the people for whom it technically did get better, but still not very good.

 

[Captain Howdy]

I always thought the "it get's better" campaign was dangerous and stupid. It doesn't always get better. Do not encourage teens in dangerously bigoted areas to "come out and be their true selves". You may as well also send them tshirts that have targets already printed on them.

But I'm digressing from the OP's original post.

You are so right. Everyone is the star of their show, so if it got better for them... it's going to get better for anyone else. It's nauseating.

 

[RestlessTaiga]

I don't know if it's my pessimistic side talking, but I hate when I see this "it will get better", I heard that so many times, and it never got better, just got worse and worse, these people need to understand that not everyone is equal, some people got it worst or don't have the will power or energy to "get better", I too want my life to not suck, but everytime I try having a little bit of hope, things come crashing donw immediately, and I go back to square one.

Sorry for the rant

 

[Pluto]

 

[fallingbehind]

Platitudes are so dumb and corny

 

[lachrymost]

Sometimes I see people who have been in an extremely torturous place but managed to get better say something that amounts to "The gamble of life ended up paying off for me [for now], so therefore everyone else should be forced to continue gambling indefinitely!" Often accompanied by like, a smiley photo of them and their partner on a hike. Like, congrats on your luck, asshole. Maybe you worked really hard to get where you are in life, but it was ultimately luck that your hard work payed off, and now you want everyone to be forced to suffer because you hit the jackpot? Ew.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Some people are destined to never "get better". However never in my life has anyone acknowledged this and never in my life has anyone ever tried to comfort my inevitable ending.

No one ever went "At least die smiling, don't die angry" or "If a movie you watched was so shit that you wanted to get up and leave half way, that's fine; you don't deserve to get tripped by a rabid fan of the movie and fall and get gum stuck to your hair. You deserve to get home safely and forget about it."


Never has anyone even entertained this type of thought and if I ever hear it now, I'd assume someone read it here. The second thing I put in quotes makes fun of the fact that you are more likely to survive most attempts and get crippled because of other people/lack of resources and that there is still no incentive or acceptance that some people don't want to live.

 

[WonderWhatsOutThere]

Things will be better if you just do [things]
I did, didn't change shit

If you do [things] you will feels [stuff]
Nope, ain't feeling shit

Trust me, you'll see yourself changing
Yeah I'm getting much angrier than before

You need to change your mindset
Yes because my feelings are switches I can turn off any moment

I understand that I'm weird, I understand that I'm stupid, I understand that I'm an unwanted guest in this thing we call life.

But I can't understand why the normals so against of me leaving, it's beneficial for both of us wtf do you mean no?

This. Exactly. I'm fully aware I don't belong here and that I'm "weak" as some people in my life have put it, but they are also the same people saying I can't leave.

 

[Hiro Uchiha]

Personally, I think it's obnoxious to say this type of rhetoric to a mentally or physically ill person who comes forward about their ailments and someone who has a lot more privilege and had the time to get better and "grow out of it" tries to tell their story without advocating against the socioeconomic and environmental stressors that lead to most people becoming mentally ill *cough Emman Atienza* WHO SAID RHAT???

That being said, I don't think people sharing their personal stories on their own blogs are doing it with the intent of selling you a guarantee, but they want you to try, try and see the beauty in life before you do something permanent that you wouldn't have done had you attempted proper recovery.

Especially when you're young and your brain isn't finished developing and you haven't experienced most of life, which can vary from a lot of people because everyone is different, but there are so many things I now know at 19 that I didn't at 14 and you don't really realize how small your world is. It's why I'm waiting to CTB until I'm in my 20s or 30s.

Of course unfortunately life isn't fair and sometimes it really doesn't.

What exactly do you mean when you mentioned Emman Atienza?

 

[amerie]

What exactly do you mean when you mentioned Emman Atienza?

She's from a political dynasty and wouldn't stop flexing her wealth on social media, the Philippines suffers from immense wealth disparity to the point where you'll see developed cities and slums 0.3 miles apart from each other, flood control projects are often void. I suggest you do your research before hyper stalking my posts and trying to clock my tea when I'm a Filipino who's family sacrificed so much and still cannot live in peace due to corrupt politicians and their kids lacking self awareness.

I have zero tolerance for any sympathy of the Filipino government or their children who reap the benefits without any real effort to advocate for change. Zero.

Just because someone suddenly passes due to a tragic cause doesn't mean they're absolved from all their wrong and it's everyone else's fault. If you don't understand this very very simple nuance then idk what to tell you. Argue with the wall I guess? I'm convinced you all would mourn slave owners, seems like a lot of people on this forum would because of how much respect Charlie Kirk got. Do you not mourn any of the Filipinos who lost their homes and livelihoods and even lives due to these floods?? Or the general state of the country if the wealth inequality wasn't so god damn huge??

You guys are so easily distracted and moved by obvious pathos and media manipulation

https://www.reddit.com/r/inthephilippines/s/FrqZhmufoz

Flood control projects scandal in the Philippines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[zizzou]

She's from a political dynasty and wouldn't stop flexing her wealth on social media, the Philippines suffers from immense wealth disparity to the point where you'll see developed cities and slums 0.3 miles apart from each other, flood control projects are often void. I suggest you do your research before hyper stalking my posts and trying to clock my tea when I'm a Filipino who's family sacrificed so much and still cannot live in peace due to corrupt politicians and their kids lacking self awareness.

I have zero tolerance for any sympathy of the Filipino government or their children who reap the benefits without any real effort to advocate for change. Zero.

Just because someone suddenly passes due to a tragic cause doesn't mean they're absolved from all their wrong and it's everyone else's fault. If you don't understand this very very simple nuance then idk what to tell you. Argue with the wall I guess? I'm convinced you all would mourn slave owners, seems like a lot of people on this forum would because of how much respect Charlie Kirk got. Do you not mourn any of the Filipinos who lost their homes and livelihoods and even lives due to these floods?? Or the general state of the country if the wealth inequality wasn't so god damn huge??

You guys are so easily distracted and moved by obvious pathos and media manipulation

https://www.reddit.com/r/inthephilippines/s/FrqZhmufoz

Flood control projects scandal in the Philippines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whyd you link the flood control projects when it has nothing to do with her? You say you hate political families but how exactly was she 'flexing' her family's supposedly ill gotten wealth? Stop bringing up politics when the question is what exactly are you criticizing her for? Because she was born into a 'political' family? Noone asks to be born. She had problems not even money could solve. When did she ever flex the family's money? All she posted about was her mental health, climbing, her teenage life. I dont see any lambos, mansions, and the like.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I feel you on this a lot. It can be hard when people say that it gets better because everyone is different. I feel like people that say this mean well, but it can feel very dismissive. The issue I have with it is that people say life gets better like it's an objective fact when it's more subjective. If life can get better, life can also get worse.

life can get much worse for any human or other sentient animal, a quadrillion times worse than the worse hell one can imagine.

life is bad anyway and always has been . ever since humans evolved and other animals to the default setting is constant suffering. the human or other animal has to constantly work to keep away the pain of hunger , thirst , heat or cold. has to rest fight off predators, scammers, parasites, bacteria, diseases . has to find shelter , need for sleep to clean itself . if it doesn't do all of these then it will suffer pain of thirst , hunger ,lack of sleep etc. has to constantly go to the bathroom . more needs . even if they do all of this still a flu, lyme, cancer , parasites, accidents will get the fragile animal. and then there are worst tortures that can trap.

 

[Hiro Uchiha]

She's from a political dynasty and wouldn't stop flexing her wealth on social media, the Philippines suffers from immense wealth disparity to the point where you'll see developed cities and slums 0.3 miles apart from each other, flood control projects are often void. I suggest you do your research before hyper stalking my posts and trying to clock my tea when I'm a Filipino who's family sacrificed so much and still cannot live in peace due to corrupt politicians and their kids lacking self awareness.

I have zero tolerance for any sympathy of the Filipino government or their children who reap the benefits without any real effort to advocate for change. Zero.

Just because someone suddenly passes due to a tragic cause doesn't mean they're absolved from all their wrong and it's everyone else's fault. If you don't understand this very very simple nuance then idk what to tell you. Argue with the wall I guess? I'm convinced you all would mourn slave owners, seems like a lot of people on this forum would because of how much respect Charlie Kirk got. Do you not mourn any of the Filipinos who lost their homes and livelihoods and even lives due to these floods?? Or the general state of the country if the wealth inequality wasn't so god damn huge??

You guys are so easily distracted and moved by obvious pathos and media manipulation

https://www.reddit.com/r/inthephilippines/s/FrqZhmufoz

Flood control projects scandal in the Philippines - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Why are you so pressed? I'm not defending any children of nepotism. I'm asking a genuine question. I'm amused to find evidence of bullying and hate leading to suicide here in sasu specifically. Whether the person deserved it or not, that's up for another discussion. And if that is your opinion, you are entitled to that. I'm a filipino, my family has a long history of poverty as well, in fact, I have families and friends directly affected by corruption. I hate Kirk if that's what you want to hear. I've been on the streets, I've travelled and lived with poverty stricken communities due to my line of work. I'm an activist for years now since I've studied both in PUP and UP. I hate to say this, but I am more informed than you are.

Anyways, you've just proven who I think you are. You are so quick to hurle all these judgements towards me, we barely even met. I've joined sasu to properly discuss the most controversial topics freely. No one's attacking you. You are the attacker.

Whyd you link the flood control projects when it has nothing to do with her? You say you hate political families but how exactly was she 'flexing' her family's supposedly ill gotten wealth? Stop bringing up politics when the question is what exactly are you criticizing her for? Because she was born into a 'political' family? Noone asks to be born. She had problems not even money could solve. When did she ever flex the family's money? All she posted about was her mental health, climbing, her teenage life. I dont see any lambos, mansions, and the like.

@amerie 's response was rooted in hate and her emotions made her sound overly defensive
Tbh, I only have limited verifiable knowledge about Emman and the reasons she's getting labeled as a Nepo Baby. But amerie's seemed so sure of herself.
We can discuss privilege minus the hate.

 

[Pale_Rider]

Intellectual laziness manifested as a cookie cutter approach. Do they tell cancer patients the same thing I wonder ?

 

[LaVieEnRose]

It does get better.

Wait, sorry, typo.

It gets bitter.

 

[Nagoop]

Or better yet! "You just don't see it now! But things will get better and in due time you'll look back on this time and say 'boy am I glad THAT'S OVER!!!'"

Or "It only hurts now but with time you'll heal and get over it eventually!!!"

Like FUCK OFF WITH THOSE STATEMENTS!!! .