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orange

orange

Experienced
Nov 19, 2021
243
Are you new here? It's no secret Marquis and Serge were incels and we literally have a user with an Elliot Rodger gif as his pfp. I don't like it either lol but yeah
 
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Oblivion

Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
631
Are you new here? It's no secret Marcus and Sergei were incels and we literally have a user with an Elliot Rodger gif as his pfp. I don't like it either lol but yeah
No, old member but i go offline for long times and come back.
"were" incels???
 
orange

orange

Experienced
Nov 19, 2021
243
No, old member but i go offline for long times and come back.
"were" incels???
You missed an entire arc it seems. Don't quote me on this plus I mispelled both their names lol but I think they both resigned due to backlash, or at least Marquis did
 
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Noctis

Noctis

I wish I'd done it years ago
Dec 15, 2021
308
I'm not an incel, but I have seen a concerning amount of incel content. I wouldn't go so far as to say incels are the majority here, though. They're here, but they aren't representatives of the whole.
 
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Oblivion

Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
631
You missed an entire arc it seems. Don't quote me on this plus I mispelled both their names lol but I think they both resigned due to backlash, or at least Marquis did
Good, imagine women coming here only to be met with hate and unacceptance by incels. i haven't seen any incel content here and i've been years here
 
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orange

Experienced
Nov 19, 2021
243
Good, imagine women coming here only to be met with hate and unacceptance by incels. i haven't seen any incel content here and i've been years here
I've seen some incel-y posts and sneaky stuff like the elliot rodger pfp but nothing overtly hateful, you don't have to worry about it.
 
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demuic

demuic

Life was a mistake
Sep 12, 2020
1,383
we literally have a user with an Elliot Rodger gif as his pfp
If you're talking about @Insomniac she's a woman.

If you have to find out from an article that a website you're literally a member of is "run by incels" maybe that means that's not a prevailing train of thought here.

they both resigned due to backlash, or at least Marquis did
Serge had not been active for a while at that point, but both were doxxed in the NYT article which made SS out to be a death cult essentially.

You can read more about it here:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-resignation-letter.79321/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nyt-story-megathread.79116/
 
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orange

Experienced
Nov 19, 2021
243
If you're talking about @Insomniac she's a woman.

If you have to find out from an article that a website you're literally a member of is "run by incels" maybe that means that's not a prevailing train of thought here.


Serge had not been active for a while at that point, but both were doxxed in the NYT article which made SS out to be a death cult essentially.

You can read more about it here:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-resignation-letter.79321/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nyt-story-megathread.79116/
oh she can have a murderer as her pfp then, that's cute lol
 
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Mr2005

Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
3,621
Not getting laid is one of the most common reasons for men to become suicidal because it's so closely intertwined with their self esteem
 
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Oblivion

Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
631
Not getting laid is one of the most common reasons for men to become suicidal because it's so closely intertwined with their self esteem
Doesn't mean to hate on women, i have a very high sex drive and always ignored by women and rarely had sex, why should i hate on them? just like i don't wanna sleep with girls i find unattractive, they have that same right too, to be an incel is to be mnetally retarted (and in a very bad way) tbh.
 
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Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
3,621
Doesn't mean to hate on women, i have a very high sex drive and always ignored by women and rarely had sex, why should i hate on them? just like i don't wanna sleep with girls i find unattractive, they have that same right too, to be an incel is to be mnetally retarted (and in a very bad way) tbh.
I'm not saying it is a reason to hate on women although if I said I hated both genders equally the whole website would probably be with me but I digress.
 
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Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
631
I'm not saying it is a reason to hate on women although if I said I hated both genders equally the whole website would probably be with me but I digress.
I hate all humans too and believe that we should go extinct, but i'd never wanna make anyone feel bad and i try the best i can
 
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myopybyproxy

flickerbeat \\ gibberish-noise
Dec 18, 2021
864
I agree with some typically incel thoughts at times such as misogyny. I hate being female and it is a large contributing factor of why I want to die.
 
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death137

death137

miserable
Jun 25, 2020
1,166
I'm an incel by definition but I don't hate women because of that. I've never felt I'm entitled to have a gf. Yes it can be hard to live without love but I understand how this life works and it's what it's. It's hard to know that you are undesirable to women but my main pain is that I'm undesirable to society in general. If you are ugly then you don't matter. Gladly there is the option of suicide.
 
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Feeding Pigeons

Feeding Pigeons

Warlock
Aug 5, 2021
776
Yeesh, kind of a jump to say just cause someone is involuntarily celibate they want to murder women. They want to turn something that has always existed into something provocative and dangerous. I noticed nobody talks about the comorbidities that Elliot Roger had, I don't know either, but I'd be willing to bet he had a couple.
 
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Snake of Eden

Snake of Eden

“Ye shall be as gods..🍎 🐍”
Jun 22, 2021
2,473
I think the hate towards incels is misguided and poorly excused. I get some of the entitlement attitude that is mixed with outright misogyny that is dominant on their web boards. However, people view them as responsible for their own failures at achieving consenting mates in a very harsh and dismissive tone. I think the concept needs to be viewed with serious inquiry into dating culture in general and try to understand the real reasons behind anger and frustration in their language. In other words, treat them with compassion rather than paint them as belligerent
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
21,369
I'm one of the Incels by definition on this site but I find the actual incel site made by Marquis and Serge far too extreme.

I always roll my eyes when people against this site try to use the incel boogeyman as a scapegoat for denying people their right to die and lack of access to peaceful methods. If people really hated incels so much, they should be happy that some are trying to find peaceful ways to rid themselves from society instead of actually harming other innocent people especially women which is what the media would love for you to believe all incels are capable of.

I don't believe I'm entitled to women or sex or any form of romance. I fully understand why women would not and should not choose to be with me and I respect this choice. It doesn't mean I don't crave the intimacy any less and it doesn't mean that I can bear life without it. Rather than make it anyone else's problem though I've chosen a better route by setting out to end my suffering and the suffering that women as a whole will suffer simply by my continued existence. It's not a choice that I'm pushing on anyone else but for those of you who truly hate incels, wouldn't it be nice if more of them chose the same path? Why ban one of the places that gives more of them this chance?
 
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Feeding Pigeons

Warlock
Aug 5, 2021
776
I'm one of the Incels by definition on this site but I find the actual incel site made by Marquis and Serge far too extreme.
Wait, what? Am I incorrect, cause I've seen this Marquis name brought up before, was he involved in the creation of SS?
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
21,369
Wait, what? Am I incorrect, cause I've seen this Marquis name brought up before, was he involved in the creation of SS?
He was but he also created a forum called incels.co or incels.is or whatever the new address is now. It's formatted very similarly to SS. From what I can tell he spent way more time managing SS than the incel site while Serge went the other direction and took over the incel forum. My knowledge is fairly limited however so I could be remembering some things wrong.
 
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lostautist

lostautist

wandering
Jan 12, 2022
225
I was sexually abused throughout early childhood and as an early teen. Nobody would believe me. Police wouldn't help. I tried. School wouldn't help. I tried. Friends couldn't help. I tried. Therapy didn't help. I tried. In the 70's and 80's, sexual abuse wasn't taken seriously. I was a sex-addict and have acted out many ways. I'm a volcel. I've had opportunities that I either sabotaged or ignored. Being an only child and autist makes it easy.

All the girls I would be interested in I would end up "little sister" zoning them and become friends, because one thing I never had that I wanted was a little sister or brother I could protect from bad things that happened to me from them.

I'm so broken.
 
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Feeding Pigeons

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He was but he also created a forum called incels.co or incels.is or whatever the new address is now. It's formatted very similarly to SS. From what I can tell he spent way more time managing SS than the incel site while Serge went the other direction and took over the incel forum. My knowledge is fairly limited however so I could be remembering some things wrong.
I see. That might explain why this forum is getting bad press about "incels".
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
21,369
I see. That might explain why this forum is getting bad press about "incels".
Like I said, it's a convenient scapegoat for people demonizing the site even though Marquis already resigned and none of the hateful kind of incel rhetoric is even permitted on this site. Why shouldn't men or even women who are perpetually lonely even be allowed to choose to end their own lives in a peaceful way?
 
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Oblivion

Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
631
I was sexually abused throughout early childhood and as an early teen. Nobody would believe me. Police wouldn't help. I tried. School wouldn't help. I tried. Friends couldn't help. I tried. Therapy didn't help. I tried. In the 70's and 80's, sexual abuse wasn't taken seriously. I was a sex-addict and have acted out many ways. I'm a volcel. I've had opportunities that I either sabotaged or ignored. Being an only child and autist makes it easy.

All the girls I would be interested in I would end up "little sister" zoning them and become friends, because one thing I never had that I wanted was a little sister or brother I could protect from bad things that happened to me from them.

I'm so broken.
Sorry to hear.
Do you know korn - daddy?
 
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myopybyproxy

flickerbeat \\ gibberish-noise
Dec 18, 2021
864
I don't know what that means, is that a user or something else? My apologies, I don't understand.
it's a song about the lead singer's sexual abuse from his babysitter as a child - even though i am lucky to never have such experience, the song still hits hard. 'i feel dirty'...'mummy, why?'
 
lostautist

lostautist

wandering
Jan 12, 2022
225
it's a song about the lead singer's sexual abuse from his babysitter as a child - even though i am lucky to never have such experience, the song still hits hard. 'i feel dirty'...'mummy, why?'
Oh, ok. I am familiar with the band but couldn't point out a song if I heard it. I was too young to really be traumatic in the traditional sense because that was all I knew, it just prevented me from having a normal life. I'm not sure if that had anything to do with my early autistic diagnosis but it may have. It certainly screwed with my mental development and has affected my whole life negatively.
 
Oblivion

Oblivion

Wizard
Aug 2, 2018
631
I don't know what that means, is that a user or something else? My apologies, I don't understand.
A song by korn, the vocalist was sexually abused by his babysitter and no one believed him, before recording the song he asked his band mates to keep on playing no matter what happens cause he will have a break down, the song is heart wrenching
 
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LastFlowers

the haru that can read
Apr 27, 2019
2,170
Good, imagine women coming here only to be met with hate and unacceptance by incels. i haven't seen any incel content here and i've been years here
They were able to keep any private views separate from moderating this forum as far as I could tell, any misogyny or more harmful aspects of those who would consider themselves incels were reportable, I reported a couple things of that nature myself (awhile ago) and they were removed.
Otherwise I haven't seen much either.

Unless people consider incel rhetoric to include general lamentation of one's dating status, lack of partners, loneliness, or even being upset with one's appearance (and discrimination stemming from that)..then there really is not any true incel (as we have come to know the term in its more violent and hateful nature) content permitted here.
(As far as I'm aware anyway.)

I was surprised too when I first found out about the admins' links to other websites, but I realized that the community was something different entirely, this website and the whole of the members did not represent those types of views and weren't here for that.
Plus, the admins did a fair job at establishing and supporting this place and those who inhabited it, and who else was going to do it? Where else were/are we supposed to go?
This was/is the only safe haven.
I'm not an incel, but I have seen a concerning amount of incel content. I wouldn't go so far as to say incels are the majority here, though. They're here, but they aren't representatives of the whole.
Like what?
Doesn't mean to hate on women, i have a very high sex drive and always ignored by women and rarely had sex, why should i hate on them? just like i don't wanna sleep with girls i find unattractive, they have that same right too, to be an incel is to be mnetally retarted (and in a very bad way) tbh.
Maybe you were ignored by women because you also ignored many women, ignored the ones who were paying attention to you.
Not that I ever liked the whole nonsense about "leagues", I'm just sayin'.
So yea, in your case, you'd be a hypocrite to align with typical "incel views".
Fair enough.
However not everyone is that staunchly superficial (though most are), especially if they have received the short straw themselves and realize, from experience, that decent and worthy people are beyond appearances.
(I mean, in a way, you're basically hating on some women too, you just don't consider them women apparently.)

Also, from what I can tell, some incels consider themselves merely the strict definition of the phrase (involuntarily celibate) and find that it's much more difficult for them to get attention or have much luck romantically and sexually, they may not even hate women and may just be lonely, trying to understand why they're being treated differently (in the cases of not acting much differently than most).

Then you have the other group of incels who I've seen go by some other names too, or fall within other insidious groups, and they're the ones who incite violence, especially against women, they're the ones who talk about women like animals and shout to get them in their "prime" and "high value/low value" humans, calling for the legalization of rape, all kinds of crazy things…sometimes without so much as a real reason to be upset!
Some of these ones are even well-off and good looking, they're just fucked in the head.

And of course you have the other use of the word incel which some people throw around toward anyone whom they don't like, anyone who they deem pathetic or maybe even a little miserable, it's a catch-all for "virgin loser" nowadays.
If the word ever had a benign or singular meaning, it's been lost in the pile of shit thanks to the general public.

So it may be wise to be aware that the term is not always indicative of malignancy, and is also overused.

(Also I didn't realize "mnetally retarded" was now an acceptable phrase again..)
I'm an incel by definition but I don't hate women because of that. I've never felt I'm entitled to have a gf. Yes it can be hard to live without love but I understand how this life works and it's what it's. It's hard to know that you are undesirable to women but my main pain is that I'm undesirable to society in general. If you are ugly then you don't matter. Gladly there is the option of suicide.
You are a sweet and decent person despite the card you have been dealt, so you are a perfect example of why people should not jump to conclusions when they hear the word "incel" or immediately conflate the person with more harmful associations that they may not even possess.
And yes, sometimes the topics supposed "incels" bring up contain sound and understandable points with bigger implications of society and how we treat people based on appearances, even outside of romantic and sexual relationships, I know more than anyone how valid your pain and suffering is based on your situation and things outside of your control.
I am also glad I have the option of suicide but I would rather have a wish for us both (and those like us) to have another, more favorable chance at life, to be granted.
 
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Mthom2

Student
Oct 19, 2020
156
Wow, I had no idea and this actually explains so much. I wondered why some of the threads I reported were left to continue, in the past couple years.
 

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