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Gnip

Bill the Cat
Oct 10, 2020
621
No antidepressant works without therapy and without a personal search for your own process of self-knowledge.

Antidepressant is just a palliative for you to have the strength to do those things. Unfortunately no medicine alone can cure mental illness. It's just a mere repository of neurotransmitters. :'(

We have to be aware of that. And psychiatrists must be honest in addressing this issue.

But you may have an antidepressant that works best for you, or a combination of them.

Based on my painfully extensive experience, I disagree COMPLETELY that antidepressants do not work without therapy, and clinical articles on the efficacy of medications without therapy are far too voluminous to support and defend the existence of therapy as a profession.

Therapy without antidepressants created my now decades long incurable Major Depressive Disorder.

For several months, specifically from November 1996 to August 1997, Prozac WITHOUT therapy worked perfectly in completely relieving my MDD for the first time since therapy from fuckhead school psychologists created that depression. (In fact, I read "Listening to Prozac" by Peter Kramer just as my response to fluoxetine was peaking, and my experience on Prozac was EXACTLY like Kramer described.)

A girl who had Obsessive Compulsive Disorder was also recorded in a clinical journal article as attempting suicide on a 50,000 mg megadose of fluoxetine. Not only did she not die, ALL the symptoms of her OCD disappeared COMPLETELY for SIX MONTHS.

Can ONE therapy session eradicate OCD completely for a period of six months?


I do endorse Moshe Talmon's Single Session Therapy, and have been communicating to Medicare in the United States that SST should replace cognitive behavioral therapy as an approved treatment modality eligible for Medicare coverage. Three to five therapy sessions is two to four sessions too many for most psychological issues.
Mirtazapine helps put pounds on my waist:aw:

Unfortunately, even amphetamines ultimately have a vicious weight gain rebound effect.

For appetite control, Contrave rarely works, and is seldom covered by insurance, HOWEVER, the two medications which Contrave combines, the antidepressant Wellbutrin (buproprion) and naltrexone, ARE separately covered by prescription plans.

I suggest you consider ditching the mirtazapine (unless it helps you sleep), and inquire about trying a combination of 150 mg to 300 mg buproprion XL with 50 mg naltrexone as an affordable Contrave substitute. (For some people, Wellbutrin can interfere with sleep, but I have the most treatment resistant case of obstructive sleep apnea ever recorded at the medical school where I got tested three times.)
 
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Enlightened
Oct 26, 2019
1,099
Curcumin actually might! But it takes a while, like a few weeks to feel effects...
 
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ovaltinee99

Student
Nov 9, 2020
109
I was on Citalopram. In combination with shrooms and regular exercise (and maybe, good life circumstances) my depression was almost non-existent. Had to get off it because it was making me so tired to the point of being nonfunctional. Now trying Escitalopram next.
 
HelloHell

HelloHell

Arcanist
Dec 26, 2019
443
I was on Escitalopram and Fluoxetine. didn't work for me. I'm on Mirtazapine now, so far no luck
 
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Elementalist
Nov 11, 2020
886
I'm kind of in the same boat. I found that hydroxyzine helps me a little bit as it allows me to calm down. But I'm still anxious and depressed 24/7 and take more meds then just that. I've also done therapy and that hasn't helped me. So if you find anything that works let me know! :)
 
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LittleJem

Visionary
Jul 3, 2019
2,598
The one remaining class of antidepressants I have not tried are the monoamine oxidase inhibitors, because there is no guarantee they would work either, or that their efficacy would be permanent if they did work, also because their effects are irreversible, and having not worn a wristwatch in decades, there's simply no way I'd ever contemplate wearing a Medic Alert bracelet.
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Hi - just to say some MAOI anti-depressants are reversible and don't produce bad effects when combined with cheese. Moclobemide is an example of this...There is also selegiline. Some Facebook groups I am on recommend Selegiline, Moclobemide and Memantine in a particular combination for treatment resistance. I am not always patient with medication so I haven't tried it properly. I tend to get desperate and move onto something else.

For MAOIs I do recommend St John's Wort also - from the health food store. It does more for me straight away than 3 months of voritioxetine. They say it isn't for severe depression, but it does help me more than anything the doctor has prescribed so far. It has some contrainidcations, so check them if you try it.

You can also try dopamine stuff- Mucuna Pruriens from supplements works on dopamine.
 
Wraith

Wraith

Lost in The Void
Nov 4, 2020
181
I've read about a few clinics using Ketamine as an antidepressant to great effect, and while it isn't supposed to be used as an antidepressant Ritalin boosted my mood a little bit when I was on it.
 
hoping to lose hope

hoping to lose hope

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Nov 14, 2020
849
If anyone has one that worked and recommends please lemme know. I have an appointment next week. And everything I've taken so far has no effects. It's like taking an aspirin with bad side effects.
This is not even something others can help you with due to the fact antidepressos affect everyone differently.
What gave me terrible side effects helped other people I knew greatly for example.
 
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sarahR

Experienced
Nov 11, 2020
225
This is not even something others can help you with due to the fact antidepressos affect everyone differently.
What gave me terrible side effects helped other people I knew greatly for example.
Yes you are right about that. I'm just desperate! Just wanted a few opinions.
 
hoping to lose hope

hoping to lose hope

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Nov 14, 2020
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Yes you are right about that. I'm just desperate! Just wanted a few opinions.
Ok well sorry for not knowing a way to help.
I personally just ended up embracing my melancholy after like trying so many meds that make me worse or do nothing.
Have you tried any therapeutic approaches?
 
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sarahR

Experienced
Nov 11, 2020
225
Ok well sorry for not knowing a way to help.
I personally just ended up embracing my melancholy after like trying so many meds that make me worse or do nothing.
Have you tried any therapeutic approaches?
Same story as mine then. That's why I asked but the replies I already tried all of it also. Maybe I should do like you and just embrace it . :hug: :heart:
 
hoping to lose hope

hoping to lose hope

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Nov 14, 2020
849
Same story as mine then. That's why I asked but the replies I already tried all of it also. Maybe I should do like you and just embrace it . :hug: :heart:
we learn to enjoy sadness and tears because our brain becomes so twisted and tries to keep us alive for its own selfish and senseless reasons!
But eventuallyyou like stop feeling anything and become numb which is worse.
Brains are bakka
 
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sarahR

Experienced
Nov 11, 2020
225
we learn to enjoy sadness and tears because our brain becomes so twisted and tries to keep us alive for its own selfish and senseless reasons!
But eventuallyyou like stop feeling anything and become numb which is worse.
Brains are bakka
That's right I'm already numb as it is.
 
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GoneGoneGone

Enlightened
Apr 1, 2020
1,141
Short answer: no
 
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miseryh8scompany

Student
Dec 20, 2019
120
Tianeptine, they don't prescribe it in most western countries though. You have to get it off the internet.
 
sarahR

sarahR

Experienced
Nov 11, 2020
225
Thanks for all the answers I have cancelled my doctors appointment. I've read a lot of things online also that brought me to my final decision.
 
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GoneGoneGone

Enlightened
Apr 1, 2020
1,141
Thanks for all the answers I have cancelled my doctors appointment. I've read a lot of things online also that brought me to my final decision.
Wait, sorry I haven't followed the thread. What is your final decision?
 
sarahR

sarahR

Experienced
Nov 11, 2020
225
Wait, sorry I haven't followed the thread. What is your final decision?
I won't take any more anti depressants and I won't up the dose. That's what would happen today if I went there. She would up my dose. Enough for me. No more taking things that don't work.
 

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