Discussion Is there a hell?

[iFeelmeaninglesss]

According to this video, Hell was constructed by Paganism, not by the word of God.

but for me the true honest answer I can say without proving to anyone the nonexistence/existence of anything is "I don't know"
There's no shame in saying that even after watching this video.

 

[Volatile]

You don't think there are nightmares when u OD from heroine?

No

 

[Definitelyworried]

The chances of something being created from nothing are almost imposible, I never seen something appear from nothing right before my eyes.
According to science this is precisely what happened for this world to be where it's at. So the possibility of an afterlife is just as impossible as it is for the world we live in to have a occurred.

 

[deflagrat]

Hell exists here. The sister of my father is living everyday in hell (alzheimer and benign tumor in the head). cronically unemployed homeless people live in their own hell too. We are surround by hellish conditions all around us, you just need to look.

 

[tourmaline]

I believe hell was a story created by people who were angry at the injustice of the world. Who wouldn't want to see bad deeds get punished accordingly? But if heaven and hell genuinely existed, the only people who went to heaven would be those who died before they were old enough to think for themselves. No one else is free of sin. Also why would the devil punish bad people? He'd be handing out prizes. Imagine going down to hell and all the cult leaders and terrorists have the biggest mansions and you're stuck in a tiny one bedroom apartment. The faucets would be leaky and the fridge would make a whirring noise the whole time. Don't kid yourself.

 

[comfortablydumb]

The chances of something being created from nothing are almost imposible, I never seen something appear from nothing right before my eyes.
According to science this is precisely what happened for this world to be where it's at. So the possibility of an afterlife is just as impossible as it is for the world we live in to have a occurred.

Nope. There is evidence of the universe existing. There is zero evidence of an afterlife. There could be an afterlife. But so far, there is only evidence of the universe existing. So, making claims about the likelihood of an afterlife based on... the universe existing, is downright silly.

 

[Definitelyworried]

Nope. There is evidence of the universe existing. There is zero evidence of an afterlife. There could be an afterlife. But so far, there is only evidence of the universe existing. So, making claims about the likelihood of an afterlife based on... the universe existing, is downright silly.

I didn't see that aspect of my thought.

 

[Severen]

Nobody knows for sure because nobody has actually come back from being a corpse bringing with them any evidence of this or that... There is no real evidence backing up both the position of there is no hell and the position of hell is real. Humans with their arrogance, their agendas and their fears strongly believe in one position or the other but the truth is, we just don't fucking know. A lot of people look at the evidence we do have and flush everything else down the toilet but that is a logical fallacy. There is a lot of shit we don't know. Humans aren't really enlightened beings. But if there is a hell like in the Bible and other religious books etc, then 99.9% of us are going there anyway... So it's pointless to be afraid of it... If you can't run from something or hide from something, then what is the point of being afraid of it. And trying to cling on to life for a few extra years to avoid going to hell sooner. That's like wanting to stay in one hell for as long as possible to avoid going to another hell. But IT IS POSSIBLE the hell in those religious books(and from pagan mythology as well) does not actually exist and death is just a sweet release.

 

[Definitelyworried]

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/is-judas-iscariot-in-hell

 

[Freesan]

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/is-judas-iscariot-in-hell

This says you either will be given eternal life or you will be destroyed (destroyed as in you dont exist anymore)?

 

[Jon86]

No.

We're not that important.

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

The Bible compares death to sleep more than fifty times. After death we are asleep, we are unconscious; we are not aware of the passing of time or of what is going on around us.

. Then again it says to be abcent from the body is to be present with the Lord, so with that conflicting info. I can dismiss the book as unreliable.

 

[deathwish]

No.

We're not that important.

Does importance necessarily come into it? Is there life because we're important?

 

[Definitelyworried]

This says you either will be given eternal life or you will be destroyed (destroyed as in you dont exist anymore)?

There is a debate among christians that either that people will burn in hell forever or that people will be completely destroyed in hell and will not exist after.
I read the bible cover to cover and I tried looking into it, it is confusing, I can't say what view is more accurate according to the bible. One could say either or.

 

[Jon86]

Does importance necessarily come into it? Is there life because we're important?

I just don't see how humans are different than any other creature on this planet. Is there a heaven and hell for sharks, spiders, cows or dogs? To me it seems egotistical to believe in heaven and hell. I killed a silverfish today, did he/she go to silverfishy heaven?

 

[deathwish]

I just don't see how humans are different than any other creature on this planet. Is there a heaven and hell for sharks, spiders, cows or dogs? To me it seems egotistical to believe in heaven and hell. I killed a silverfish today, did he/she go to silverfishy heaven?

Hrm perhaps the first argument to make is Humans have intelligent consciousness and animals don't. But Idk about the relevance (Or even truth) of that. I'd rather say A lot of people do believe in animal afterlifes, so...yeah. Is it then egotistical to believe it for them, too?

 

[Definitelyworried]

I just don't see how humans are different than any other creature on this planet. Is there a heaven and hell for sharks, spiders, cows or dogs? To me it seems egotistical to believe in heaven and hell. I killed a silverfish today, did he/she go to silverfishy heaven?

I'm not making any fact claims, but according to the bible, man was made in the image of God, and animals were made for humans by God, so animals don't go to heaven.
I'm not saying is true, but one can conclude this after reading the bible.

 

[Jon86]

The universe is basically infinite, why would our little planet be so special?

We are just beasts who want to survive, reproduce and fulfill our own desires the same as any other living creature.

Religion to me just seems like humans adding an aura of self-importance to there otherwise meaningless existence.

 

[Fylobatica]

A lot of people do believe in animal afterlife

So basically a lot of people believe that fishes, when they die, can eject the contents of their brain in the ionosphere, swim in the air forever for absolutely no reason.

Hm. That says a lot about the supposed cleverness of humanity as a whole

 

[deathwish]

So basically a lot of people believe that fishes, when they die, can eject the contents of their brain in the ionosphere, swim in the air forever for absolutely no reason.

Hm. That says a lot about the supposed cleverness of humanity as a whole

Well idk, they may think there's a reason, as some have found reason/meaning for life. Or, as with I think most people being unsure in life's meaning, the people who believe in an animal afterlife may not know the reason, but suspect one or hope for one. Does this affect their cleverness? I guess it would.. it's more self aware which is in the direction of intelligence, isn't it?

 

[Fylobatica]

Well idk, they may think there's a reason, as some have found reason/meaning for life. Or, as with I think most people being unsure in life's meaning, the people who believe in an animal afterlife may not know the reason, but suspect one or hope for one. Does this affect their cleverness? I guess it would.. it's more self aware which is in the direction of intelligence, isn't it?

Thing is, people often mistake what they like to do most with the concept of "purpose".

"My purpose is singing" - > it needs to be translated into "I love singing so much that I'm completely blinded to other possible choices about my interests".

Purpose is meaningless itself. Because once you've figured it out, there's nothing left to do, other than repeating the same activity over and over ad nauseam

 

[deathwish]

Thing is, people often mistake what they like to do most with the concept of "purpose".

"My purpose is singing" - > it needs to be translated into "I love singing so much that I'm completely blinded to other possible choices about my interests".

Purpose is meaningless itself. Because once you've figured it out, there's nothing left to do, other than repeating the same activity over and over ad nauseam

Do people say that? Well, of course they do, there's so many people. And for those few, I think... well, I don't know if it's meaningless as you say. Isn't it all the meaning in the world they require, apparently? The human trait of constantly needing to one-up one's self and others is generally accepted to be a bad one, I thought. For a person to have overcome that, for however long, isn't that a thing which should be lauded, or could be? Especially for such a purpose/interest as innocuous and pleasurable as singing. We surely have no duty to have or even be open to possessing many or even multiple interests (Excepting perhaps human nature's duty to cause that happening anyway, perhaps most of the time.) so why think it meaningless to not? Again, for some, it must be all they need.

Purpose is meaningless in itself because repetition ad nauseam? Well, one, why not stop if it gets to become so unpleasant? if a person is at that point, maybe there's many arguments to be made that it is not their purpose anymore, and/or they should seek another. Second, above I said I couldn't see a necessity to have competing interests or purposes- but of course one can have, as well. Before, I implied that I think most people do and will. People generally make their own purposes and find their own meanings, or find none at all, I thought?

The first thing you said was "Thing is, people often mistake what they like to do most with the concept of "purpose." so clearly you have an idea of what purpose really is. What is that, I'm curious, obviously. x3

 

[Fylobatica]

Isn't it all the meaning in the world they require, apparently?

No, it's just a passion, a hobby, call it whatever you like: it's not meaning, which apparently appeals to the definition of "something so deep and hyper-explanatory that no further questions should make sense about life, and whatever has been and ever will be in this universe".
Well, the fact that people may have a passion to which they could devote their life to is admirable, though it makes them skip sometimes this very question -could it be more to life, other than what I'm doing right now?-.
Truth is, as soon as you figure it out this unknown -which goes by the shared definition of purpose; the ultimate goal- everything just starts to show its lack of meaning again. Because you have already figure out what this "purpose" is supposed to be about.
What's left to do once you've completed a challenge? Invent another challenge to not succumb to extreme boredom. And so you go on, forever. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

 

[deathwish]

No, it's just a passion, a hobby, call it whatever you like: it's not meaning, which apparently appeals to the definition of "something so deep and hyper-explanatory that no further questions should make sense about life, and whatever has been and ever will be in this universe".
Well, the fact that people may have a passion to which they could devote their life to is admirable, though it makes them skip sometimes this very question -could it be more to life, other than what I'm doing right now?-.
Truth is, as soon as you figure it out this unknown -which goes by the shared definition of purpose; the ultimate goal- everything just starts to show its lack of meaning again. Because you have already figure out what this "purpose" is supposed to be about.
What's left to do once you've completed a challenge? Invent another challenge to not succumb to extreme boredom. And so you go on, forever. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Do you mean that ALL purpose is meaningless? Sorry if this seems unpleasantly like a question which reveals how I've misunderstood you...it ought to be revealing of that, if I have and that is what you mean, but I hope it's not unpleasant 'cus, you know, understanding can be tricky. But smoothed with questions and their answering.

 

[millefeui]

Probably not. If there is any sort of punishing grounds waiting people after death, I wouldn't expect it to be like what Christian religions describe. But again, I say "probably not", instead of "definitely not". I mean, I don't have proofs of anything. In fact, no one have. What tips me off is that the Bible is a bit contradictory in some ways. For example, why would a God of love create such a demented and bizarre place like the Christian Hell? A God of love wouldn't punish, He would embrace.

I think that is more because what was originally described in the books were edited over and over again by people attempting to control others with fear, so whatever was originally written on it is something I can only speculate about. Who knows.

 

[Severen]

I think that is more because what was originally described in the books were edited over and over again by people attempting to control others with fear, so whatever was originally written on it is something I can only speculate about. Who knows.

And we all know, people with power, love to constantly unleash their propaganda on the sheeple to increase their power and maintain their power.

 

[RevolutionaryRed]

Hell is other people