Is suicide always ruled as the cause of death with SN?

[idontknowwhatiam]

I'm 60 years old.

When I ctb with SN, is there any chance that authorities will rule my death as natural causes ? If there's no sign of the product and scale obviously..I'll dispose of those prior to ctb. I don't want them to do an autopsy on me. My father died from a heart attack at age 62. My family has a history of heart disease.... My point is maybe everyone will assume that I died from heart issues or heart attack

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

That's a good question, hopefully others who know will chime in. I've read that because of what SN does to the blood (and one of the ways to test SN is to see if it turns blood brown), it's likely to cause a blue or brown hue on those who have taken it. It may be more or less obvious depending on skin tone.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

I don't think that I'll be found for days... I live alone.... probably a family member will notify the authorities if they don't hear back from me after a couple of days I'm guessing

 

[vitbar]

f you are below a certain age all deaths are considered suspicious. Older than that, and absent evidence otherwise, it will be listed as by natural causes. Not sure what the cutoff is, or if it is different around the world.

 

[shiny_quill]

Not an expert, but it's my understanding SN causes death by hypoxia, which means that your CO2 levels won't raise, ruling out asphyxia, and I think hypoxia is almost always unnatural, so it might get investigated? Again, not an expert, curious what someone who knows the topic more than I do has to say on it, but I'd say unless you have medical history, at "only" 60 it probably will be considered a suicide.

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

Not an expert, but it's my understanding SN causes death by hypoxia, which means that your CO2 levels won't raise, ruling out asphyxia, and I think hypoxia is almost always unnatural, so it might get investigated? Again, not an expert, curious what someone who knows the topic more than I do has to say on it, but I'd say unless you have medical history, at "only" 60 it probably will be considered a suicide.

How would the authorities know that I ctb due to hypoxia if I'm not found for a few days? I would assume that my corpse will have started to decay at that point

 

[shiny_quill]

How would the authorities know that I ctb due to hypoxia if I'm not found for a few days? I would assume that my corpse will have started to decay at that point

It takes around 2 weeks for your blood tissues to completely break down, and if found before that, they'll probably do a blood test anyway. I don't really know to be honest, but it's how we would proceed in vetenary medicine so I guess it can't be that different for humans?

 

[Untoten_]

I'm 60 years old.

When I ctb with SN, is there any chance that authorities will rule my death as natural causes ? If there's no sign of the product and scale obviously..I'll dispose of those prior to ctb. I don't want them to do an autopsy on me. My father died from a heart attack at age 62. My family has a history of heart disease.... My point is maybe everyone will assume that I died from heart issues or heart attack

SN does something extremely specific to you. If found quicker it'll be obvious, you'll be almost entirely blue, veins and arteries will be really visible and almost black, blood will be a brown colour. The position you're in also.

Deaths are usually always investigated unless it's obvious. But with yours and any other SN, toxicology and forensics will know almost immediately. The officers who find you and respond won't know immediately, yes, but the actual investigation won't last too long and they'll know almost immediately.

 

[DeathSweetDeath]

SN does something extremely specific to you. If found quicker it'll be obvious, you'll be almost entirely blue, veins and arteries will be really visible and almost black, blood will be a brown colour. The position you're in also.

Deaths are usually always investigated unless it's obvious. But with yours and any other SN, toxicology and forensics will know almost immediately. The officers who find you and respond won't know immediately, yes, but the actual investigation won't last too long and they'll know almost immediately.

Exactly.

I don't think that I'll be found for days... I live alone.... probably a family member will notify the authorities if they don't hear back from me after a couple of days I'm guessing

This changes nothing.

 

[spero_meliora]

assuming an autopsy is done on what is considered a "suspicious" death (and you only being 60 with what sounds like no other health issues would count), if they ordered a test it'd be obvious what the cause of death was. I think the last visible stage of methemoglobinemia would be livor moris, since when the cells break down your loose that "classic" SN look.

tl;dr eventually decomp will win, but don't count on your family not finding you sooner.

 

[reticulator]

I think the only actual way to ctb without being obvious it's self inflicted would be exposure, like going out on a really cold day and falling through a frozen lake or something like that, or provoking an angry grizzly bear..

 

[copioushopelessness]

Curious about this too.

 

[verybabybunny]

SN does something extremely specific to you. If found quicker it'll be obvious, you'll be almost entirely blue, veins and arteries will be really visible and almost black, blood will be a brown colour. The position you're in also.

Deaths are usually always investigated unless it's obvious. But with yours and any other SN, toxicology and forensics will know almost immediately. The officers who find you and respond won't know immediately, yes, but the actual investigation won't last too long and they'll know almost immediately.

I became an EMT in NYC in 2023 and this isn't really accurate, it's the opposite.

Unless it's obvious that it *wasn't natural causes, the EMTs take you away in a bag to the coroner, no investigation except for autopsy.

Im assuming SN is quite obvious that it wasnt natural causes, and even if so, would be found on autopsy.

 

[Untoten_]

I became an EMT in NYC in 2023 and this isn't really accurate, it's the opposite.

Unless it's obvious that it *wasn't natural causes, the EMTs take you away in a bag to the coroner, no investigation except for autopsy.

Im assuming SN is quite obvious that it wasnt natural causes, and even if so, would be found on autopsy.

They're called unattended deaths. They HAVE to look into them. Not the responders themselves, but things have to be secured. Unless it's super obvious.

And I even said that the officers (meant to say responders) won't know immediately.

They can't rule out foul play on a glance, because they simply cannot just say "oops missed a serial killer" because they didn't chase something up, if it turns out to be something.

The original question was asking if SN is always considered a suicide, they HAVE to investigate that first. They have to check for notes, signs of foul play. It's usually a basic glance by whoever is within the investigation team, but at the end of the day they have to check. If there's a guy going around forcing SN down people's throats they need to know.

Obviously context matters, if they speak to the family and say they were struggling, or they had conversations about that stuff then yea sure it can be closed immediately. Police care more about public image than anything else. If another shows up and another and another and one of them leaves evidence it is foul play, people will look at them like they aren't doing their jobs.

I took UPS (mine was for firefighting, but we also had to do the policing side of things) back in like 2021 for an extra degree (I think that was the year) and there was a similar question I had actually asked. All deaths are suspicious unless obvious based on context.

The next time you're with a police officer you can ask them and they'll pretty much agree, EMT's or paramedics are usually away quicker, therefore not privy to the details. If it's not them it's the coroner themselves. Things are obviously different across the pond but they just can't take the chance of bad press.

 

[Wakawaka]

brown blood and high concentrations of salt in stomach would be a bit noticeable

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

brown blood and high concentrations of salt in stomach would be a bit noticeable

Well I'm thinking that I won't be found for multiple days and I had assumed my body would start to decompose at that point. And they would only notice salt in my stomach if an autopsy is performed. I'm not sure if an autopsy is mandatory for a 60 year old

 

[slapntickle]

I became an EMT in NYC in 2023 and this isn't really accurate, it's the opposite.

Unless it's obvious that it *wasn't natural causes, the EMTs take you away in a bag to the coroner, no investigation except for autopsy.

Im assuming SN is quite obvious that it wasnt natural causes, and even if so, would be found on autopsy.

Reading between the lines, I think the OP is interested in how life insurance claims might be handled.

Because of how long one has to wait before the life insurance exclusion kicks in, I've also toyed with the idea of trying to make the suicide look like a normal death, but I've honestly (in terms of SN or any pill-based method) hit a dead end. I'm a lot younger than the OP too so it would be even more suspicious, and I really can't believe that the insurance companies don't do at least a cursory investigation before paying out half a mil. Surely they need a 'cause of death', and that would surely be given as some sort of poisoning.

The simplest way would be to take a hiking trip somewhere with a high cliff or whatever and then jump. Obviously be sure to write lots of happy things to people before you go, book tickets and make plans for the future, buy stuff, I don't know... any notes that you want to send can be sent on a scheduled send 6 months in the future (or even straight away if you really trust the person you're sending it to). The insurance company would likely contest it, but I think (and I'm not a lawyer) that they'd lose in court as there's more evidence to point to you slipping than suicide.