Is Nitschke wrong about Sodium Azide?

[LMLN]

I no longer consider SA either because I have read in many articles here and also independently that it becomes 'explosive' material upon contact with certain metals as well. To me I would be too scared to use it not just because of potential injury to myself but possibly even to others which I wouldn't be able to risk. I also read that it can be a lot more painful than what I thought, I'm not an expert but it seems for me anyway to not be a viable method.

I'm sticking with SN which generally seems to leave no residual body damage if it fails and I can easily try a second time if necessary with the safer SN.

I think I heard Nischke mention that sodium azide is dangerous for others if you vomit. I'd be afraid of harming anybody that found me if I had vomited at all.

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

I think I heard Nischke mention that sodium azide is dangerous for others if you vomit. I'd be afraid of harming anybody that found me if I had vomited at all.

Is the same true of cyanide?

It's been hard for me to figure that out

Its "safety to others" rating is a 2 whereas sodium azide's is a 3

Edit: This is from some 1998 LA Times Article, not sure if it's totally accurate, I'll keep researching

9 Hurt After Student's Apparent Suicide by Cyanide

Toxic fumes produced when a college student from Orange County died of an apparent suicide Monday forced the evacuation of an Iowa dormitory and the hospitalization of nine people, authorities said.

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"9 Hurt After Student's Apparent Suicide by Cyanide

BY STEVE BALL

OCT. 13, 1998

Toxic fumes produced when a college student from Orange County died of an apparent suicide Monday forced the evacuation of an Iowa dormitory and the hospitalization of nine people, authorities said.
Carl T. Grimm, 20, a sophomore from Placentia, ingested potassium cyanide about 7:30 a.m. in his dormitory room at Grinnell College, a private liberal arts school about 50 miles east of Des Moines, Iowa, Grinnell Fire Chief Jerry Barns said.
Four paramedics who responded to the call at Younkers Hall came in contact with fumes from the poison, as did two college staff members and three other students.
Grimm was taken to Grinnell Regional Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead.

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Fredrick N. Grimm, Carl's father, remembered the young man Monday as "a wonderful son, intelligent and sensitive."
"He was bright, a National Merit Scholar" at El Dorado High School, the elder Grimm said. "But he had his difficulties," including attention deficit disorder. Still, he said, "his death came as a complete shock."
The others who became ill on the Iowa campus were treated and released from the hospital.
"When potassium cyanide is mixed with water or mixed with acid, it creates hydrogen cyanide gas, which is quite toxic. Eighty percent of the body is made of water," said Mickey Munley, the college's director of public relations.

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Potassium cyanide is a respiratory poison that prevents oxygen from reaching the cells. When ingested, it causes death almost immediately.
Firefighters sent to the dormitory evacuated the three-story structure until the Des Moines Hazardous Materials Unit arrived to ventilate the building.
Authorities could not say immediately where or how Grimm acquired the potassium cyanide."

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I don't see how Nitrite gets a Peacefulness of 7 while Azide gets a Peacefulness of 6. They also have zero verified azide accounts so how can they even rate Azide as peacefulness of 6? And cyanide 5?

Azide is not faster than SN from what I read. One person was gone at 4 hours and they took 9 GRAMS! Some were gone at 8 hours after ingestion.

PPH says to take like 3 GRAMS and it's faster than SN. Doesn't seem like they know what they're talking about.

This is one of the many reasons why I distrust Nitschke and believe he promotes disinformation, though I have no idea why he would do so. I recognize disinformation when I see it, and like good disinformation, I have no way of knowing its underlying purpose or intention.

People have a tendency to trust authority figures such as doctors. Con artists can dress in a lab coat or scrubs. Commercials use actors dressed as doctors to boost product sales because the products instantly become more trustworthy.

I don't doubt Nitschke is a doctor, but I think he uses that title as a persuasive technique. What is revealing about him are his actions. In the case of the OP quoted here, the untrustworthy action is the ratings.

Unlike (ostensibly) legitimate medical publications, the PPH does not list peer-reviewed medical sources to support his claims (e.g., how Nembutal works), nor studies to validate them (e.g., the clinically measured and observed peacefulness or effectiveness of any method). He may say, "We've observed x number of events," or "X organization has used this method," but he doesn't go into details.

Many have observed that Nitschke seems to arbitrarily assign ratings, and they vary from edition to addition of the PPH, with no evidentiary-based rhyme or reason.

There is also the issue of supply and demand. When something is made to be desirable, it overrides reason and doubt. The only people allowed to purchase the PPH must provide evidence they are over 50 or have a terminal illness. This causes an increase in desirability for vulnerable people who are desperate for a peaceful exit that is difficult to obtain, and makes the information seem more trustworthy to anyone who does obtain it, whether by following the rules or obtaining it by alternative means.

So I value the OP questioning PPH's claims. I always value questioning authority and claims, and a good BS detector.

 

[Puglover84]

Expand on the threat please.

I think with some supplies of water, the levels of iron can cause some type of reaction. I'm sure I read somewhere that you are supposed to use deironised water when using this method

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Is the same true of cyanide? (Edit: I actually made a thread about that in which I linked some articles which might be somewhat helpful; https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...odium-cyanide-are-ingested.33637/#post-620956

It's been hard for me to figure that out

Its "safety to others" rating is a 2 whereas sodium azide's is a 3

Do you have any solid ideas about what we should do instead? Just continue to follow up with what Nitschke is saying and take it with a grain of salt? Or do something else?

Legitimate question on my part, not like some sort of attack