Is N ethical?

[Promortalist_]

I am considering getting N since it is more peaceful than SN. But I was wondering if people who sell N use ethical practices to supply it to their customers. For eg: do they blackmail innocent people or underpaid workers to ship the product to a certain location or force somebody to carry it with them from the airport to a certain destination (like you hear in the news or see it in movies/tv shows).

I don't want to contribute to any suffering. I NEED to know that I am not hurting others when I buy N. This sounds stupid but I don't want to take chances, please let me know. Thanks <3

 

[Anonymous_A]

You srs?

 

[Promortalist_]

You srs?

I know this is a really stupid question. Having a late night anxiety attack over this for no reason.

 

[Anonymous_A]

I know this is a really stupid question. Having a late night anxiety attack over this for no reason.

Reckon it's best not to worry about stuff about of your control.

Bet it's just some person/s packing it and sending it/dropping it off at their local post office.

There's literally thousands of people who work alone, or with a few other people who sell/send copious amounts of illegal drugs on the internet though Mail services.

 

[Jumping_realms]

Fairly certain there's no blackmail, but no one here is going to assure you of that, they couldn't.

If you are in the states, you could cross and buy it for $40-$80USD each yourself. Some places still sell it to Americans, just for double/ higher price.

 

[BumperCrop]

There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. If you're imagining the black market sale of illegal drugs is squeaky clean, you'll be disappointed.

 

[checkouttime]

I thought the mexican drug dealers/cartels had impeccable human right records myself. I've seen them on TV helping communities and buying the kids presents at christmas the whole lot. i'm going to buy 3 bottles next time to do my bit for the communities.

 

[FohPah]

There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. If you're imagining the black market sale of illegal drugs is squeaky clean, you'll be disappointed.

Worse things probably happen in the consumer electronics industry than the drug trade.

 

[Bone]

Most industries definitely aren't anywhere close to fully legal/ethical as others have said.

 

[peacefulhorizons]

idk I would rather give my money to D than Jeff Bezos though

 

[Bone]

idk I would rather give my money to D than Jeff Bezos though

Excellent point, my friend <3

 

[Alwaysbadtime]

I think it's shady no doubt...but so is Israel and the US helps fund their constant murder/terror machine. It's really hard to feel good about anything.

 

[justpeachy]

Fairly certain there's no blackmail, but no one here is going to assure you of that, they couldn't.

If you are in the states, you could cross and buy it for $40-$80USD each yourself. Some places still sell it to Americans, just for double/ higher price.

It's not super easy to get in Mexico anymore. Several have tried in the last year on here and struck out. I would say only about 1 out of every 10 got it so it could be a lot of Money you spend to get nothing. The only for sure way to get N these days is probably A and even that isn't always 100 but it's close.

to the op:
if you buy from someone on the pph I believe they work in a field where it is used so they have access therefore I don't think they are having drug mules involved in any way. It makes no sense. Ethical is kind of subjective here, some might say stealing meds from a job isn't ethical so who is to say what is ethical for you or not?

 

[greyhound]

Just think by buying N and diverting it from the veterinary supply, you're saving multiple puppies from being euthanized with it.

 

[Gaybonez]

You srs?

Yes, some people on the planet care about others enough to consider these things before acting. It's not exactly common but it happens.

There is no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism. If you're imagining the black market sale of illegal drugs is squeaky clean, you'll be disappointed.

You sound like a liberal. A non-vegan one. In other words, a dime a dozen person who sits on a high horse spewing garbage out of their mouth.

I am considering getting N since it is more peaceful than SN. But I was wondering if people who sell N use ethical practices to supply it to their customers. For eg: do they blackmail innocent people or underpaid workers to ship the product to a certain location or force somebody to carry it with them from the airport to a certain destination (like you hear in the news or see it in movies/tv shows).

I don't want to contribute to any suffering. I NEED to know that I am not hurting others when I buy N. This sounds stupid but I don't want to take chances, please let me know. Thanks <3

By the way, tremendous respect to you my brother/sister. You have very high quality takes around here that are under appreciated. I hope you decide to stay with us. The world needs people like you and me for animal liberation. You're a decent person ignoring the whole misanthropy and whatever, but none of us are perfect.

 

[ocklepold]

You sound like a liberal. A non-vegan one. In other words, a dime a dozen person who sits on a high horse spewing garbage out of their mouth.

Lol how tf do you know whether he's vegan or not? You're the one on a high horse. It's people like you who give vegans a bad name.

 

[checkouttime]

It's not super easy to get in Mexico anymore. Several have tried in the last year on here and struck out. I would say only about 1 out of every 10 got it so it could be a lot of Money you spend to get nothing. The only for sure way to get N these days is probably A and even that isn't always 100 but it's close.

to the op:
if you buy from someone on the pph I believe they work in a field where it is used so they have access therefore I don't think they are having drug mules involved in any way. It makes no sense. Ethical is kind of subjective here, some might say stealing meds from a job isn't ethical so who is to say what is ethical for you or not?

I think you'll find A isn't selling anymore and hasn't been fr a while.

I haven't seen anything in the PPh about this 1 in 10 people statistic you mention, they have just updated it aswell?

I mean i wouldn't just believe what people on here say because they post it on here, that would be utterly stupid. especially when there are sp many legitimate sources like the PPh to find info and also the moderators and resource section.. Also some members are EXIT international members aswell and haven't seen them mention anything written on the forums. I'd definitely be careful on what you believe or not.

i wouldn't advise anyone to just believe what someone says on this site, i mean only the other week there was a scam site being touted about by members.there was attempted rape of members, we had jeremy the nonce on here with his fake profiles, the pro-lifers have been on here mocking people CTB. so it would be really stupid to just believe a person because they write words on a forum lol, I think some people think others are stupid because they are on a suicide forum, i don't think thats the case at all myself.

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

I am considering getting N since it is more peaceful than SN.

Would you mind sharing why N is more peaceful than SN? (Thanks)

 

[justpeachy]

I think you'll find A isn't selling anymore and hasn't been fr a while.

I haven't seen anything in the PPh about this 1 in 10 people statistic you mention, they have just updated it aswell?

I mean i wouldn't just believe what people on here say because they post it on here, that would be utterly stupid. especially when there are sp many legitimate sources like the PPh to find info and also the moderators and resource section.. Also some members are EXIT international members aswell and haven't seen them mention anything written on the forums. I'd definitely be careful on what you believe or not.

i wouldn't advise anyone to just believe what someone says on this site, i mean only the other week there was a scam site being touted about by members.there was attempted rape of members, we had jeremy the nonce on here with his fake profiles, the pro-lifers have been on here mocking people CTB. so it would be really stupid to just believe a person because they write words on a forum lol, I think some people think others are stupid because they are on a suicide forum, i don't think thats the case at all myself.

Since when? I have seen people purchase from A in the past 3 months?

I think you'll find A isn't selling anymore and hasn't been fr a while.

I haven't seen anything in the PPh about this 1 in 10 people statistic you mention, they have just updated it aswell?

I mean i wouldn't just believe what people on here say because they post it on here, that would be utterly stupid. especially when there are sp many legitimate sources like the PPh to find info and also the moderators and resource section.. Also some members are EXIT international members aswell and haven't seen them mention anything written on the forums. I'd definitely be careful on what you believe or not.

i wouldn't advise anyone to just believe what someone says on this site, i mean only the other week there was a scam site being touted about by members.there was attempted rape of members, we had jeremy the nonce on here with his fake profiles, the pro-lifers have been on here mocking people CTB. so it would be really stupid to just believe a person because they write words on a forum lol, I think some people think others are stupid because they are on a suicide forum, i don't think thats the case at all myself.

And I never said that was a statistic located in the PPH? What are you talking about? I said on this website out of every 10 posts you see in relation to others going to Mexico only about 1 person ever comes back with N. I never once said this was a statistic that was in the PPH. The PPH isn't the only way to research and isn't the only place with valid information.

 

[hʚll]

our entire existence is not ethical. sometimes i feel like it is impossible to be really ethical in life (moral impediment). because is like life is the opposite of ethical. i share your same worries though. and feel your sentiment. it makes me sad but i have no answers..

 

[justpeachy]

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I think you'll find A isn't selling anymore and hasn't been fr a while.

I haven't seen anything in the PPh about this 1 in 10 people statistic you mention, they have just updated it aswell?

I mean i wouldn't just believe what people on here say because they post it on here, that would be utterly stupid. especially when there are sp many legitimate sources like the PPh to find info and also the moderators and resource section.. Also some members are EXIT international members aswell and haven't seen them mention anything written on the forums. I'd definitely be careful on what you believe or not.

i wouldn't advise anyone to just believe what someone says on this site, i mean only the other week there was a scam site being touted about by members.there was attempted rape of members, we had jeremy the nonce on here with his fake profiles, the pro-lifers have been on here mocking people CTB. so it would be really stupid to just believe a person because they write words on a forum lol, I think some people think others are stupid because they are on a suicide forum, i don't think thats the case at all myself.

I think it's incredibly naive to only believe what the PPH says which is sold for a significant amount of money to purchase said information and has had several scammers listed in their book as N sellers.
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Just think by buying N and diverting it from the veterinary supply, you're saving multiple puppies from being euthanized with it.

Or you are causing a shortage and making it so older dogs that are in severe pain can't be put down when that's what is in their best interest. This is why ethics can be completely subjective, OP. Two people can have very different ideas of one situation.

 

[checkouttime]

Since when? I have seen people purchase from A in the past 3 months?

what people saying they have on here??? he hasn't been replying to emails for months. i contacted A a few months ago and never got a reply, hence why i purchased from D. it was at least 2 months ago when i did this, i also noticed on another thread that is mentioned in the PPH that A is no longer selling. a moderator posted about this in another thread

And I never said that was a statistic located in the PPH? What are you talking about? I said on this website out of every 10 posts you see in relation to others going to Mexico only about 1 person ever comes back with N. I never once said this was a statistic that was in the PPH. The PPH isn't the only way to research and isn't the only place with valid information.

its mentioned in the PPH that 4 people in the last 12 years have ever been stopped importing N.....1 britian and 3 australians. i'd say that statistic doesn't match the 1 in 10 theory? i have posted the page out of the PPH its noted in the 2nd paragraph.
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I think it's incredibly naive to only believe what the PPH says which is sold for a significant amount of money to purchase said information and has had several scammers listed in their book as N sellers.

i notice them scammers are no longer listed and were taken out as soon as the information became available?? just like they have now listed how A is no longer selling. i mean i can ask a moderator about it if you want? they have access to the PPH and its updates. I'd much rather believe them than a random person on here, i'm sure others would aswell.

i mean EXIT are pro assisted suicide and have helped many people die, they provide detailed information on methods, they also provide new methods like they did with SN, and also have a site to list scam websites.

If you don't want to trust them thats fine, but are you saying the mods and owners of this site are untrustworthy? they seem to think its reliable information and have made it available and added it to the resource section. are you saying the owners of this site provide untrustworthy information???

Or you are causing a shortage and making it so older dogs that are in severe pain can't be put down when that's what is in their best interest. This is why ethics can be completely subjective, OP. Two people can have very different ideas of one situation.

thats why its best for people to just mind their own business and not get involved in other peoples, as everyone has a different opinion on what right and whats wrong. same as what one person thinks is painful another might not. and just because you think you have experience of what something is like(take pro-lifers and their dead kids for instance) doesn't mean your experienced on how another person is feeling. its impossible to know how another person is feeling full stop.

 

[justpeachy]

what people saying they have on here??? he hasn't been replying to emails for months. i contacted A a few months ago and never got a reply, hence why i purchased from D. it was at least 2 months ago when i did this, i also noticed on another thread that is mentioned in the PPH that A is no longer selling. a moderator posted about this in another thread

its mentioned in the PPH that 4 people in the last 12 years have ever been stopped importing N.....1 britian and 3 australians. i'd say that statistic doesn't match the 1 in 10 theory? i have posted the page out of the PPH its noted in the 2nd paragraph.
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i notice them scammers are no longer listed and were taken out as soon as the information became available?? just like they have now listed how A is no longer selling. i mean i can ask a moderator about it if you want? they have access to the PPH and its updates. I'd much rather believe them than a random person on here, i'm sure others would aswell.

i mean EXIT are pro assisted suicide and have helped many people die, they provide detailed information on methods, they also provide new methods like they did with SN, and also have a site to list scam websites.

If you don't want to trust them thats fine, but are you saying the mods and owners of this site are untrustworthy? they seem to think its reliable information and have made it available and added it to the resource section. are you saying the owners of this site provide untrustworthy information???


thats why its best for people to just mind their own business and not get involved in other peoples, as everyone has a different opinion on what right and whats wrong. same as what one person thinks is painful another might not. and just because you think you have experience of what something is like(take pro-lifers and their dead kids for instance) doesn't mean your experienced on how another person is feeling. its impossible to know how another person is feeling full stop.

You should take your own advice bud. You somehow manage to appear on everyone's posts not minding your own business and accusing anyone of lying and being a scammer. It's beginning to look a lot like paranoid behavior judging by your comment history or that you have a motive behind doing this.

"thats why its best for people to just mind their own business and not get involved in other peoples"

I can see by your previous comments that all you do is act a fool on everyone's posts and say that the PPH is the only reliable source ever even though they have had scammers listed several times. The PPH has gotten it wrong before and that's been proven. Also, you really think every person that tries to get N in Mexico contacts the PPH and tells their experience? I mean come on you can't be this dense….

And yes, people have contacted A and heard from him in the last several months — meaning months ago not last week. I don't feel like I can explain that statement anymore or break it down further for you…I never said someone bought it last month or last week. I said in the last several months and I don't go on this website every waking minute of my life therefore I don't see every post the mods make in regards to updates about sellers. Some of us have lives outside of this website, sorry?

 

[checkouttime]

You should take your own advice bud. You somehow manage to appear on everyone's posts not minding your own business and accusing anyone of lying and being a scammer. It's beginning to look a lot like paranoid behavior judging by your comment history or that you have a motive behind doing this.

"thats why its best for people to just mind their own business and not get involved in other peoples"

I can see by your previous comments that all you do is act a fool on everyone's posts and say that the PPH is the only reliable source ever even though they have had scammers listed several times. The PPH has gotten it wrong before and that's been proven. Also, you really think every person that tries to get N in Mexico contacts the PPH and tells their experience? I mean come on you can't be this dense….

And yes, people have contacted A and heard from him in the last several months — meaning months ago not last week. I don't feel like I can explain that statement anymore or break it down further for you…I never said someone bought it last month or last week. I said in the last several months and I don't go on this website every waking minute of my life therefore I don't see every post the mods make in regards to updates about sellers. Some of us have lives outside of this website, sorry?

aww don't hurt my feelings pweeeeaseeee

I would think if your posting on an open forum you aren't expecting people to mind their own business. thats common sense i would think or no one would be making any posts lmao

Its not paranoia, its just easy to point out BS posts by people that are really shit at lying. you keep asking questions and as they are having to lie they always slip up. members who tell the truth don't have to do that. but i'll keep pointing these things out so the genuine members can see, i can tell how much the people posting BS get upset. they always claim people are attacking them blah blah.

Its funny as they think this type of shit hasn't happened b4 on here, we had it all before with jeremy the nonce and his fake profiles. always claiming he was being attacked and posting bullshit and not liking being questioned, eventually the pro-lifers opened their arms to the nonce and took him into their group(says alot about them)

yeah i know some people have lives outside this site.if i was the pro-lifers i'd just stick to visiting there kids graves if i was them, thats all they are useful for

yeah loads have people have contacted A and spoke to him in the last few months i'm sure. where you get that info people posting on here?? like i said a moderator posted about A not being in business anymore and hasn't been replying to emails or collecting money from his wallet. i kind of believe them more than you. i'll leave other genuine members to make there decision though.

you said people have purchased from A within the last 3 months, if you notice i quoted what you said in a previous post. but A hasn't been selling within the last 3 months,i haven't seen all these posts by people that have bought from A in the las t3 months? and as you aren't on here all the time i wouldn't of thought you would know about them all either??

so you said this "Also, you really think every person that tries to get N in Mexico contacts the PPH and tells their experience? I mean come on you can't be this dense…." know of course they don't ithey all come on here and post about it on here, iand i'm meant to believe them like you do.

who are the several scammers the the pph have listed??????? I think you'll find there was one person who was listed and was selling legit stuff but then became a scammer. his details were then removed from it, hence why they update the book constantly. just like they updated it recently to say A no longer sells and just like the added a scam site site being touted around here by members.

 

[Gaybonez]

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I think it's incredibly naive to only believe what the PPH says which is sold for a significant amount of money to purchase said information and has had several scammers listed in their book as N sellers.
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Or you are causing a shortage and making it so older dogs that are in severe pain can't be put down when that's what is in their best interest. This is why ethics can be completely subjective, OP. Two people can have very different ideas of one situation.

Go to college. Take an entry level economics course. There's no shortage created by someone buying N.

 

[BumperCrop]

You sound like a liberal. A non-vegan one. In other words, a dime a dozen person who sits on a high horse spewing garbage out of their mouth.

Lol I'm not a liberal.

 

[HopelessFight]

The PPH is a resource and just that: a resource. It's a good one, especially for a few things, but it should be treated just like any other resource. The PPH is not some kind of Bible or Quran which is inquestionable and perfect like some people here seem to think.

If the PPH is so perfect, please tell me why D is still listed as "B", why the PPH claims he sells Dolaltol while he does not and why the listed prices don't match what A and B/D are really charging, even in the newest update. These are 3 errors on just one single page.

The section about known persecution of N importers hasn't been updated for ages.

Also, the contents of the PPH are debatable. For example, a Dutch pro-choice advocate who wrote his own book about humane ways of dying publicly said on TV he opposed the inclusion of SA/SN in the PPH a few years ago and recommended people (on TV!) to look for N instead.

And there actually has been a shortage of N in the US recently, although some individual purchases won't really affect that:

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www.aaha.org

About the original question: by buying N you're making a Mexican drug dealer rich. Is that ethical? Probably not, but there's also no alternative to get your hands on the product.

What can we say about the ethics of the pro-choice organisations though?

- Exit International discriminates both on age and mental suffering. They charge inflated prices for simple barbiturates tests and often refuse to (fully) refund the money if someone under the age of 50 orders their products.
- Pegasos in Switerland charges around €10.000 for a humane death.
- Coörporatie Laatste Wil, the Dutch pro-choice organisation who came up with SA and SN was planning to sell 2 grams of SA for €180 to their members, while the actual value was worth less than €0,10. At the time both SA and SN could be legally bought by individuals in The Netherlands. They claimed they did this to save money for the lawsuits that would follow.

The ethics around all of this is something that is certainly up to debate and everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

 

[checkouttime]

The PPH is a resource and just that: a resource. It's a good one, especially for a few things, but it should be treated just like any other resource. The PPH is not some kind of Bible or Quran which is inquestionable and perfect like some people here seem to think.

If the PPH is so perfect, please tell me why D is still listed as "B", why the PPH claims he sells Dolaltol while he does not and why the listed prices don't match what A and B/D are really charging, even in the newest update. These are 3 errors on just one single page.

The section about known persecution of N importers hasn't been updated for ages.

Also, the contents of the PPH are debatable. For example, a Dutch pro-choice advocate who wrote his own book about humane ways of dying publicly said on TV he opposed the inclusion of SA/SN in the PPH a few years ago and recommended people (on TV!) to look for N instead.

And there actually has been a shortage of N in the US recently, although some individual purchases won't really affect that:

Trends

www.aaha.org

About the original question: by buying N you're making a Mexican drug dealer rich. Is that ethical? Probably not, but there's also no alternative to get your hands on the product.

What can we say about the ethics of the pro-choice organisations though?

- Exit International discriminates both on age and mental suffering. They charge inflated prices for simple barbiturates tests and often refuse to (fully) refund the money if someone under the age of 50 orders their products.
- Pegasos in Switerland charges around €10.000 for a humane death.
- Coörporatie Laatste Wil, the Dutch pro-choice organisation who came up with SA and SN was planning to sell 2 grams of SA for €180 to their members, while the actual value was worth less than €0,10. At the time both SA and SN could be legally bought by individuals in The Netherlands. They claimed they did this to save money for the lawsuits that would follow.

The ethics around all of this is something that is certainly up to debate and everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

the pro lifers sons and daughters found and used the pph and now there dead, it can't be that bad source can it??? I mean they wouldn't make so much effort to discredit things if the things weren't legit. i would think thats kind of obvious to most.

the thick twats even wrote dangerous and other comments on the SN pages of amazon, kind of counter productive and shows it is legit stuff. but then thats how 'clever' these people really are!!

 

[HopelessFight]

the pro lifers sons and daughters found and used the pph and now there dead, it can't be that bad source can it??? I mean they wouldn't make so much effort to discredit things if the things weren't legit. i would think thats kind of obvious to most.

the thick twats even wrote dangerous and other comments on the SN pages of amazon, kind of counter productive and shows it is legit stuff. but then thats how 'clever' these people really are!!

I think you're misreading everything I write on purpose now. I never said the PPH isn't legit or a bad source.

 

[checkouttime]

I never said that you said it was a bad source, i was just agreeing with you on how it can't be that bad of a source and the evidence of all the people that have used and CTB is available for all to see.

I mean the owners of the site and moderators are hardly going to provide illegitimate sources are they?? as soon as the new version of pph was out, the moderator posted about A not selling anymore. as soon as the scam site was posted they proved that and let everyone know.pretty obvious they are trustworthy.