Lost Magic
Illuminated
- May 5, 2020
- 3,206
Callie Arcale
It’s a tale told by an idiot signifying nothing
- Feb 10, 2021
- 852
The expression "doing life without parole" is a fitting metaphore for this cursed existence.
Gaybonez
vegan jesus
- Nov 30, 2020
- 208
For me, my family is the jail that holds me in this fucking life.
Meliæ
In recovery
- Aug 8, 2021
- 128
Same for me. I'm here for my parents
Green Destiny
Life isn't worth the trouble.
- Nov 16, 2019
- 881
Technically, I would say that life is not a jail because a jail is place you're kept before you're sentenced or for really short sentences of a year or less. That would make it more like a prison.
But I do agree with the overall sentiment of this statement. We are trapped here. But there are some differences which make it more sickening. At least when it comes to prison, people keep you locked up because they want you to suffer through your sentence. At least their motives are logical and easy to grasp. But with life, people force you to stay because they think that this is what's best for you even though you could feel for certain that it's not, and express as much to them. It's painful to endure that just because of the incomprehensibility and irrationality of it all. There is no overall moral obligation, and in many, and I personally think almost all cases, no overall benefit from continuing to live. And yet for some reason people axiomatically declare that living is the most important thing you need to do without a reasonable basis, and with no room for argument if you disagree with the premise.
In that sense, I think life, or rather, life in society, is less like a prison and more like being born into a cult. A cult where the members judge you for how well your opinions match the given doctrine and who will go through any lengths to stop you from being free of them. An organization that controls what you can buy, what you can own, and demands that you regularly pay tribute to them, and labor in service to them. And yes, even your parents, who are supposed to be the people who love and care for you most, will still prioritize their loyalty to the cult over their loyalty to do what's best for you. And most importantly, an entity where escape is not as simple as leaving a physical space. It's even more similar to a cult if you consider some people claim that the cult they live in gives them purpose, happiness, and love, just like a lot of people say about life in general… but being a cult member is still widely considered a sad state of existence, and I don't disagree in the slightest.
People outside these cults will support your attempts to find freedom from them, but you'll struggle to find anybody who supports your attempts to find freedom from life because, unlike small cults where only a few people are born into them, everyone is born into the mass cult of life. But, although I don't have any concrete way of backing this up, if people who weren't alive existed outside of our universe to judge suicidal people, they would probably support us the same way people here widely support cult-escapers, so unlike prison, we have no moral obligation to stay and support wider society, we have no "moral debt" or "karma" that needs to be paid.
I still think that the right to die is a fundamental right that needs to be granted to people without question. To do anything else is opening the road to justifying inescapable torture and torment.
But I do agree with the overall sentiment of this statement. We are trapped here. But there are some differences which make it more sickening. At least when it comes to prison, people keep you locked up because they want you to suffer through your sentence. At least their motives are logical and easy to grasp. But with life, people force you to stay because they think that this is what's best for you even though you could feel for certain that it's not, and express as much to them. It's painful to endure that just because of the incomprehensibility and irrationality of it all. There is no overall moral obligation, and in many, and I personally think almost all cases, no overall benefit from continuing to live. And yet for some reason people axiomatically declare that living is the most important thing you need to do without a reasonable basis, and with no room for argument if you disagree with the premise.
In that sense, I think life, or rather, life in society, is less like a prison and more like being born into a cult. A cult where the members judge you for how well your opinions match the given doctrine and who will go through any lengths to stop you from being free of them. An organization that controls what you can buy, what you can own, and demands that you regularly pay tribute to them, and labor in service to them. And yes, even your parents, who are supposed to be the people who love and care for you most, will still prioritize their loyalty to the cult over their loyalty to do what's best for you. And most importantly, an entity where escape is not as simple as leaving a physical space. It's even more similar to a cult if you consider some people claim that the cult they live in gives them purpose, happiness, and love, just like a lot of people say about life in general… but being a cult member is still widely considered a sad state of existence, and I don't disagree in the slightest.
People outside these cults will support your attempts to find freedom from them, but you'll struggle to find anybody who supports your attempts to find freedom from life because, unlike small cults where only a few people are born into them, everyone is born into the mass cult of life. But, although I don't have any concrete way of backing this up, if people who weren't alive existed outside of our universe to judge suicidal people, they would probably support us the same way people here widely support cult-escapers, so unlike prison, we have no moral obligation to stay and support wider society, we have no "moral debt" or "karma" that needs to be paid.
I still think that the right to die is a fundamental right that needs to be granted to people without question. To do anything else is opening the road to justifying inescapable torture and torment.
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I agree that life is a jail, or a prison to be more precise about the intended extent of confinement. The process of this imprisonment is without any kind of trial or foregoing crime and the only penalty is life sentence. It's not that it can't be exited from but the same term is used to express what's prohibited. While exiting life, the largest prison, usually isn't technically prohibited by law it's generally greatly opposed both socially and by law which still strives to do everything in its power that's deemed reasonable enough to prevent exiting such as implementing obstacles via fences, because of practicality violation of autonomy for prevention no matter the personal damage is considered acceptable or wanted and it's only illegal to assist in anyone's exit with very restrictive exceptions.
Society shows that you're on your own or worse if you're not trying to be useful to it, if you're unwilling to at least repeatedly buy into the business they also run at attempting to treat your distaste for life and even then you may still be on your own or worse off, but that's the risk society can gain on so they are of course only willing for you to make it. Therefore I think the reasons for one's actions regarding oneself should always primarily be concerned with oneself rather than with others. I think rights should not only be recognized in either societal gains towards consumption, profits, work, expansion and upholding of the status quo or indifference, but most basically in the autonomy of imposed sentient beings.
Society shows that you're on your own or worse if you're not trying to be useful to it, if you're unwilling to at least repeatedly buy into the business they also run at attempting to treat your distaste for life and even then you may still be on your own or worse off, but that's the risk society can gain on so they are of course only willing for you to make it. Therefore I think the reasons for one's actions regarding oneself should always primarily be concerned with oneself rather than with others. I think rights should not only be recognized in either societal gains towards consumption, profits, work, expansion and upholding of the status quo or indifference, but most basically in the autonomy of imposed sentient beings.
Flippy
Felis Sapien
- Jan 5, 2020
- 931
I like this idea, I have wondered a few times over the years if human beings have some sort of cult-ish instinct. It's quite incredible actually how often you can apply the concept of a cult to human social behaviour/hierarchy in general. The world seems replete with examples of this behaviour.
It's almost like a lot of people have this need for a "paternal" like structure to hitch their wagon to. I've worked jobs where everyone at least claims that they want to socialise with the same people they spend the whole day with in the same place where they work. Want to spend time with your partner? Well bring them in! Had plans of your own? Just ditch them and nestle in the bosom of the corporation. It's like there's this need to be told what to do and when to do it and of course when and what to think. "We are Borg, You will be assimilated, your biological and cultural distinctiveness will adapt to serve us. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE." It's kinda odd as so many people fear communism, yet seem to almost crave it.
So yeah, jail/prison/cult. I think it's perhaps a combination of all concepts particularly if you aren't particularly prone to having a hive mind mentality.
It is for me. I can't ctb because I am very disabled so no way out when I want it really sucks
PeaceDeathLove
Member
- Aug 14, 2021
- 16
Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness...
The shackles and chains confining us to the realm of life are only made evident upon an attempt to exit said life!
BeansOfRequirement
Man-child, loser, autistic, etc.
- Jan 26, 2021
- 5,826
So true. Both in terms of people getting kidnapped and drugged after a failed attmpt and also in terms of how almost everyone walks around thinking that it'll be easy to ctb until their first attempt or test run (exception: good methods and/or middle aged men, those guys will just hecking do it and they don't fuck around).
WaaaghEnjoyer
destroy the status quo
- Aug 15, 2021
- 69
It is the worst type of jail. If we are comparing it to dystopias, I think it's more like Brave New World rather than 1984. People enjoy life, or try to enjoy it, and never question it.
And because this jail is invisible, the one who does notice it is crazy cause you can't show where it is. The illusion of freedom is however is quite obvious.
And because this jail is invisible, the one who does notice it is crazy cause you can't show where it is. The illusion of freedom is however is quite obvious.
disabledlife
Arcanist
- Jun 5, 2020
- 435
Yes indeed.
Life is a prison, moreover, arbitrary!
Arbitrary, because to go to prison, we must normally have been punished by a fair and balanced justice, while being born is without file, without procedure, without justice, without anything in fact, we do not know where we come from, we don't know if we existed before we were born.
Arbitrary because we were born unequal, why some people have the privilege of being born in a perfect body, tall, beautiful, without diseases, in a rich family, of a loving and educating family, with all the chances of having a good life that they want, while others are born poor, ugly, sick, disabled, suffering, small, from a poorly reputed family, from a detestable family, or even abandoned, or even born anonymously (birth under x as in the only country, it seems to me, to practice this, in defiance of the fundamental rights of access to origins, France!).
Being born under X is one more free punishment because in addition to not knowing where you come from before life, you have to suffer the fact of not knowing who you come from, where you come from. because the place of birth is hidden by the administrations. Land of hypocrites, torturers of children!
Life is an arbitrary prison because once born, it is practically impossible to get out, with all these punishments that await us if we had the idea of CTB!
There are people who insult us and call us cowards, that we deserve hell for the crime of CTB! We are rejected, humiliated, treated as less than nothing!
There are forced internments in psychiatric hospitals with deprivation of all rights including the right to vote, manage money, travel, get married, etc.
Everything is done by a tutor, we become a child again, literally, like Britney Spears!
In other countries, in addition to these punishments mentioned just before, after a failed CTB, there is prison, rejection by a religion, rejection of the country, a civil death!
In countries that have legalized a right to die assisted, by euthanasia or assisted suicide for example, there are conditions that I find abused, mental illnesses and permanent depressions are rejected.
What right do others have the right to decide for us whether we have discernment or not when they know very well that we are constantly suffering?
Under these conditions, to allow ourselves to suffer and to keep us alive is kidnapping and torture! Is there a way to drag these people, see the country concerned, who are holding us alive, to justice for acts of torture and kidnapping?
These facts make me think of Guantánamo or the gulags, at least in the eyes of the people who suffer it is the case.
There should be a worldwide right to be helped to die at our request, whatever the cause of the request, as long as we ourselves know what we want, a request that we can give up at any time or reject at any time .
In these conditions life would no longer be a prison but something "reimbursable" for anyone who would not have been satisfied with his life, if births still remain unequal.
I hope that we will know where we are going to go after death, if there is no nothingness, nor hell, nor the fact of being reincarnated (in any case I don't want that, I had enough with my shitty life), nor the fact of starting the same life over and over again ...
I think we are being held alive because it takes sheep to feed this unjust human society (especially capitalist), that if we were allowed to go, the fact that many people leave would force society, governments to revise the laws to to create something more egalitarian where everyone would have their place and therefore a satisfaction of their life, so the governments, the richest, the better-off would have less of their privileges.
This is also why eugenics was perhaps banned, it took suffering pain to be beaten, in the name of the right to procreate for all, which is an aberration, I have spoken about it elsewhere in this forum , when the ugly, disabled, small, poor, sick, ..., disturb, we put them in the closet, in the bench of society, freedom of expression is to let them yell in their corner, forgotten by all!
Maybe also that life is a prison and that we are prevented from leaving because the legislators who could have authorized the right of assisted CTB, or of euthanasia, could be responsible for having created ugly, disabled, poor, small, ..., by the abusive procreation net the absence of eugenics, then of having pushed them to want to die by the rejection by the company, like burdens which disturb.
Unjust society that they are responsible for, as legislative authorities, they are ultimately the cowards. This cowardice is also seen with the destruction of the planet for which no one, among these culprits, wants to take responsibility!
Life is a prison, moreover, arbitrary!
Arbitrary, because to go to prison, we must normally have been punished by a fair and balanced justice, while being born is without file, without procedure, without justice, without anything in fact, we do not know where we come from, we don't know if we existed before we were born.
Arbitrary because we were born unequal, why some people have the privilege of being born in a perfect body, tall, beautiful, without diseases, in a rich family, of a loving and educating family, with all the chances of having a good life that they want, while others are born poor, ugly, sick, disabled, suffering, small, from a poorly reputed family, from a detestable family, or even abandoned, or even born anonymously (birth under x as in the only country, it seems to me, to practice this, in defiance of the fundamental rights of access to origins, France!).
Being born under X is one more free punishment because in addition to not knowing where you come from before life, you have to suffer the fact of not knowing who you come from, where you come from. because the place of birth is hidden by the administrations. Land of hypocrites, torturers of children!
Life is an arbitrary prison because once born, it is practically impossible to get out, with all these punishments that await us if we had the idea of CTB!
There are people who insult us and call us cowards, that we deserve hell for the crime of CTB! We are rejected, humiliated, treated as less than nothing!
There are forced internments in psychiatric hospitals with deprivation of all rights including the right to vote, manage money, travel, get married, etc.
Everything is done by a tutor, we become a child again, literally, like Britney Spears!
In other countries, in addition to these punishments mentioned just before, after a failed CTB, there is prison, rejection by a religion, rejection of the country, a civil death!
In countries that have legalized a right to die assisted, by euthanasia or assisted suicide for example, there are conditions that I find abused, mental illnesses and permanent depressions are rejected.
What right do others have the right to decide for us whether we have discernment or not when they know very well that we are constantly suffering?
Under these conditions, to allow ourselves to suffer and to keep us alive is kidnapping and torture! Is there a way to drag these people, see the country concerned, who are holding us alive, to justice for acts of torture and kidnapping?
These facts make me think of Guantánamo or the gulags, at least in the eyes of the people who suffer it is the case.
There should be a worldwide right to be helped to die at our request, whatever the cause of the request, as long as we ourselves know what we want, a request that we can give up at any time or reject at any time .
In these conditions life would no longer be a prison but something "reimbursable" for anyone who would not have been satisfied with his life, if births still remain unequal.
I hope that we will know where we are going to go after death, if there is no nothingness, nor hell, nor the fact of being reincarnated (in any case I don't want that, I had enough with my shitty life), nor the fact of starting the same life over and over again ...
I think we are being held alive because it takes sheep to feed this unjust human society (especially capitalist), that if we were allowed to go, the fact that many people leave would force society, governments to revise the laws to to create something more egalitarian where everyone would have their place and therefore a satisfaction of their life, so the governments, the richest, the better-off would have less of their privileges.
This is also why eugenics was perhaps banned, it took suffering pain to be beaten, in the name of the right to procreate for all, which is an aberration, I have spoken about it elsewhere in this forum , when the ugly, disabled, small, poor, sick, ..., disturb, we put them in the closet, in the bench of society, freedom of expression is to let them yell in their corner, forgotten by all!
Maybe also that life is a prison and that we are prevented from leaving because the legislators who could have authorized the right of assisted CTB, or of euthanasia, could be responsible for having created ugly, disabled, poor, small, ..., by the abusive procreation net the absence of eugenics, then of having pushed them to want to die by the rejection by the company, like burdens which disturb.
Unjust society that they are responsible for, as legislative authorities, they are ultimately the cowards. This cowardice is also seen with the destruction of the planet for which no one, among these culprits, wants to take responsibility!
mentalhealthfighter
Lets win together
- Jun 15, 2021
- 362
Alucard
Wizard
- Feb 8, 2019
- 606
Great quote !! It inspires me a short text :
The parable of the prisoner Liberty
On a warm spring evening, an old prisoner, dressed in white, spoke :
"My dear fellows, despite your many differences, you all have one thing in common : you are prisoners, like me, but you are not aware of it. Of course, your prison is vast : you have schools, towns, institutions, forests, oceans, etc. You devote yourself to your various activities and you believe yourself to be free. But your comrades in the cell who suffer martyrdom and who want to go away discover with terror that escape is very difficult and often painful. It is both because of their body, which is not programmed to fly easily away from here, and because of you, which prevents them from leaving peacefully.
However, the environments from which it is difficult to flee are always unhealthy : it is difficult to flee from a sect, from a cellar where one is chained, from the grip of a perverse person, etc. Conversely, it is easy to run away from a poetry club, a game of tennis or a love affair with a non-violent person. Only the circles that the we can leave easily can be healthy for the spirit, because they alone respect our freedom and our dignity. If I am in a house on my own, I can enjoy being there. But if I am locked in the house, an unhealthy climate will set in and I will have only one desire : to get out... unless I end up accepting to be captive, or worse, persuading myself that it is I who choose to stay in the house despite the doors being locked.
Comrades, why don't you apply the same reasoning to life ? Yes, if you can't get out of life easily when you want to, then by definition life is a prison. However, one cannot really like a prison... However, some of you now have keys allowing you to easily get out of life : if these keys were placed within everyone's reach, then the doors of the prison. Life would be definitively open (without having to force them) and one would no longer be a prisoner, which would change the basis of the human condition by giving life an irresistible taste for freedom. So, I ask you : when will you stop blessing your chains and kidnapping one another ?"
And the prisoner disappeared in a halo of white vapor tinted with the mystical gold of the twilight rays.
"My dear fellows, despite your many differences, you all have one thing in common : you are prisoners, like me, but you are not aware of it. Of course, your prison is vast : you have schools, towns, institutions, forests, oceans, etc. You devote yourself to your various activities and you believe yourself to be free. But your comrades in the cell who suffer martyrdom and who want to go away discover with terror that escape is very difficult and often painful. It is both because of their body, which is not programmed to fly easily away from here, and because of you, which prevents them from leaving peacefully.
However, the environments from which it is difficult to flee are always unhealthy : it is difficult to flee from a sect, from a cellar where one is chained, from the grip of a perverse person, etc. Conversely, it is easy to run away from a poetry club, a game of tennis or a love affair with a non-violent person. Only the circles that the we can leave easily can be healthy for the spirit, because they alone respect our freedom and our dignity. If I am in a house on my own, I can enjoy being there. But if I am locked in the house, an unhealthy climate will set in and I will have only one desire : to get out... unless I end up accepting to be captive, or worse, persuading myself that it is I who choose to stay in the house despite the doors being locked.
Comrades, why don't you apply the same reasoning to life ? Yes, if you can't get out of life easily when you want to, then by definition life is a prison. However, one cannot really like a prison... However, some of you now have keys allowing you to easily get out of life : if these keys were placed within everyone's reach, then the doors of the prison. Life would be definitively open (without having to force them) and one would no longer be a prisoner, which would change the basis of the human condition by giving life an irresistible taste for freedom. So, I ask you : when will you stop blessing your chains and kidnapping one another ?"
And the prisoner disappeared in a halo of white vapor tinted with the mystical gold of the twilight rays.
RedPanda
One day we shall be free from this mortal coil.
- Jul 16, 2019
- 237
Indeed, these organic machines is basically our prison. We are imprisoned the moment we are conceived. At least we're capable of escaping this prison.
Alucard
Wizard
- Feb 8, 2019
- 606
In my opinion, even those who "love life" are prisoners in life. But they just don't think about it...
Lmd
Elementalist
- Jul 12, 2020
- 812
So Mine is a house with a very hard doorknob at the entrance.
Alucard
Wizard
- Feb 8, 2019
- 606
Let's spread this quote to as many people as possible for our militant fight for the right to painless suicide :
Alucard
Wizard
- Feb 8, 2019
- 606
There is no "outside of life". After life = nothingness. So : afterlife = no suffering.The irony is that prison is so much easier than life outside of it. How messed up is that?
If we have the "key of life", we are sure to be able to stop suffering when we decide to, which allows us to be more serene.
But of course, unlike a house, the door of life can be only passed once...
Alucard
Wizard
- Feb 8, 2019
- 606
For me, it was not vague, that's an allegory we understand, that's the point.
(To continue the allegory, we can say that the "outside of life" is "nothingness". And to have the "key of life" (Nembutal of something like that) permit to reach nothingness (ie to end suffering) when we want).
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I'm relieved to know i'm capable of making sense at all. Thanks for your understading
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