Discussion Is it possible to become a schizoid?

[ijustwishtodie]

I wish to be a schizoid to avoid being lonely. I never had an irl friend or acquaintance throughout my entire life and I never will. It's so lonely seeing other people have fun by socialising with each other. However, I slowly feel more and more accustomed with the loneliness and that I got perhaps get used to it one day? Sadly, that day isn't now and I want to speed up the process so I wish to know how I could be a schizoid as that's the only way I can not feel lonely anymore

 

[Suicidebydeath]

Probably not, you just become more accustomed to loneliness as time goes by. People with SPD may end up ghosting even people they like, and cannot help being that way, it's not through force of will, so I'm not sure it's an enviable goal. I have a friend with SPD and I miss them, but I don't know when they'll write, it could be years.

 

[hot]

Is schizoid and schizophrenic the same thing ?

 

[Agon321]

Honestly, it's not that simple.
I also don't think this is the right path you should follow ;).

If you want to live, you should strive to improve your condition, not worsen it.
Schizoids cannot feel emotional feelings. I don't know if that's what you want
I think your idea has many flaws and holes.

Alternatively, you can create an imaginary friend and talk to him... I'm joking, of course.

Some solutions only sound good in a very hypothetical scenario.
I recommend looking for alternative solutions.

 

[Someone123]

I wish to be a schizoid to avoid being lonely. I never had an irl friend or acquaintance throughout my entire life and I never will. It's so lonely seeing other people have fun by socialising with each other. However, I slowly feel more and more accustomed with the loneliness and that I got perhaps get used to it one day? Sadly, that day isn't now and I want to speed up the process so I wish to know how I could be a schizoid as that's the only way I can not feel lonely anymore

I think you misunderstand how bad it would be if this happened, it would make you feel so much more isolated than you do now. As a person who was once painfully shy due to severe abuse, and having overcome this eventually due to some people helping me, I wish I could see what is going wrong in trying to connect to others, there is very likely a way if you could get the right type of advice for you. Searching on youtube for videos on how to make friends, how to connect with people, etc. could be one way. Possibly volunteering or some kind of club or possibly church if it matches your beliefs could help. Help with how to introduce yourself, good situations for this, and how to get to know people could possibly work.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

Is schizoid and schizophrenic the same thing ?

Two different things

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Probably not, you just become more accustomed to loneliness as time goes by. People with SPD may end up ghosting even people they like, and cannot help being that way, it's not through force of will, so I'm not sure it's an enviable goal. I have a friend with SPD and I miss them, but I don't know when they'll write, it could be years.

I don't think that the part in bold which I quoted above would apply to me as there just isn't even anybody who I ever liked to begin with and I don't think there ever will be due to my nature

Is schizoid and schizophrenic the same thing ?

No, schizoid means to not care about social interaction at all. Schizophrenic is something else

Honestly, it's not that simple.
I also don't think this is the right path you should follow ;).

If you want to live, you should strive to improve your condition, not worsen it.
Schizoids cannot feel emotional feelings. I don't know if that's what you want
I think your idea has many flaws and holes.

Alternatively, you can create an imaginary friend and talk to him... I'm joking, of course.

Some solutions only sound good in a very hypothetical scenario.
I recommend looking for alternative solutions.

My condition can't ever be improved as the damage is already done. I could only be saved during childhood but now it's too late. Also, I don't really feel emotional things anyway so I wouldn't mind not feeling emotional. Honestly, I don't even understand how people get so emotional at goodbye threads here... personally I'm just apathetic and emotionless

I think you misunderstand how bad it would be if this happened, it would make you feel so much more isolated than you do now. As a person who was once painfully shy due to severe abuse, and having overcome this eventually due to some people helping me, I wish I could see what is going wrong in trying to connect to others, there is very likely a way if you could get the right type of advice for you. Searching on youtube for videos on how to make friends, how to connect with people, etc. could be one way. Possibly volunteering or some kind of club or possibly church if it matches your beliefs could help. Help with how to introduce yourself, good situations for this, and how to get to know people could possibly work.

I can't ever be helped or be able to make friends. There's a reason why I asked if I could be a schizoid as opposed to asking how I could make friends. Believe me when I say that me being a schizoid is the best course of action I can do for myself. I just don't have the ability to make friends

 

[4am]

are you sure that we all aren't already figments of your imagination?

 

[Otaku]

I do get where you are coming from, and i understand what you mean.
But the short answer is no. It's not. If it was lying dormant in you, it's another thing.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I do get where you are coming from, and i understand what you mean.
But the short answer is no. It's not. If it was lying dormant in you, it's another thing.

Why do you say that the answer is no? Also, I don't think it's dormant but I feel like I'm passively making progress towards being a schizoid. I'm just not at the end goal yet which is where I want to be

 

[Unicr0n]

Schizoid is not a fun state to be. The claim of little emotion isn't true. They feel a lot of anger, paranoia, and aggression. Aside from that, the symptoms are similar to depression. You'll fail to complete many things in life, you'll find yourself dissatisfied most times. People who romanticise mental illness don't understand what it's really like. People who are schizoid don't want to be schizoid.

 

[sserafim]

Schizoid is not a fun state to be. The claim of little emotion isn't true. They feel a lot of anger, paranoia, and aggression. Aside from that, the symptoms are similar to depression. You'll fail to complete many things in life, you'll find yourself dissatisfied most times. People who romanticise mental illness don't understand what it's really like. People who are schizoid don't want to be schizoid.

Wdym "you'll fail to complete many things in life?" Like what

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Schizoid is not a fun state to be. The claim of little emotion isn't true. They feel a lot of anger, paranoia, and aggression. Aside from that, the symptoms are similar to depression. You'll fail to complete many things in life, you'll find yourself dissatisfied most times. People who romanticise mental illness don't understand what it's really like. People who are schizoid don't want to be schizoid.

Can you clarify your post? Is being a schizoid incompatible with I'm asking for because I thought that schizoids are people who don't desire friendships and are okay with it. Therefore I don't exactly understand how they feel the emotions that you describe unless if it's just a case of correlation ≠ causation.

Also, I second the question that @sserafim asked you here. What's your answer to this:

Wdym "you'll fail to complete many things in life?" Like what

 

[Unicr0n]

Can you clarify your post? Is being a schizoid incompatible with I'm asking for because I thought that schizoids are people who don't desire friendships and are okay with it. Therefore I don't exactly understand how they feel the emotions that you describe unless if it's just a case of correlation ≠ causation.

Also, I second the question that @sserafim asked you here. What's your answer to this:

Schizoids do feel a lot of negative emotions but few positive ones, just like depression. They didn't choose to be mentally ill. There's a few studies showing genetic linkage and prenatal exposure. Schizoid dilemma occurs and they desire human companionship. That didn't come from nowhere. It's their brain functioning normally for a brief moment. I can't see certain user's posts sorry.

"SzPD is linked to negative outcomes, including a significantly compromised quality of life, reduced overall functioning even after 15 years, and one of the lowest levels of "life success" of all personality disorders (measured as "status, wealth and successful relationships")" Why would you want to be more miserable than you already are lol.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Schizoids do feel a lot of negative emotions but few positive ones, just like depression. They didn't choose to be mentally ill. There's a few studies showing genetic linkage and prenatal exposure. Schizoid dilemma occurs and they desire human companionship. That didn't come from nowhere. It's their brain functioning normally for a brief moment. I can't see certain user's posts sorry.

"SzPD is linked to negative outcomes, including a significantly compromised quality of life, reduced overall functioning even after 15 years, and one of the lowest levels of "life success" of all personality disorders (measured as "status, wealth and successful relationships")" Why would you want to be more miserable than you already are lol.

To a neurotypical, SzPD would look like it's something negative because they aren't spending any time with friends (and neurotypicals like to insinuate that everybody needs friends) but that's because they don't crave friendships to begin with... or at least I thought that was the case before you mentioned "schizoid dilemma". If schizoid dilemma occurs, why exactly does a condition like schizoid even exist if the person with the neurotype has certain moments where their brain craves friendships? If what you say is true, what I want isn't schizoid but rather the ability to not crave friends for as long as I live. I genuinely think that this is possible for me.

Oh, btw, isn't saying that a schizoid has no success in successful relationships kind of comical provided at how that's the definition of a schizoid to begin with?

Also, I'm not sure how you are unable to see @sserafim's post. Did you put her on ignore or something? Regardless, this is what she said below:

Wdym "you'll fail to complete many things in life?" Like what

 

[Rocinante]

Create a tulpa

 

[Unicr0n]

I

neurotypical

So we're clear, I'm not neurotypical. I have autism and ADHD. I have spent around a decade without any friends. Didn't care until I went back to college and noticed people being happy. Didn't feel loneliness before that. Tried driving away people who wanted to be friends as well [felt threatened by people trying to get close to me]/I might exhibit some schizoid traits.

I want isn't schizoid but rather the ability to not crave friends for as long as I live. I genuinely think that this is possible for me.

You can get there through reinforcement therapy. Every time you feel lonely, distract yourself with something that's high reward for you [not food]. An activity.

To the question: You won't have a strong desire to complete projects, goals, etc. They have low desire to do anything. Just like with depression.

"Patients with SzPD can feel as if close emotional bonds are dangerous to themselves and others.[62][120][124] They may have feelings of inadequacy or shame.[125] Some people with SzPD may experience a deep desire to connect with others, yet will be terrified by the dangers inherent in doing so.[120][126] Avoidance of social situations may be a method of avoiding being hurt or rejected."
They WANT[ed] social relationships, that's why they feel negatively about themselves because of not being able to form the connections. Because of rejection of how they behave, they withdraw and become more antisocial. It's rarely seen and rarely diagnosed because most of them think this is normal for them and think reaching out is futile. If they can't connect with anyone else how are they going to connect with a therapist is their thought rationalization.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I

So we're clear, I'm not neurotypical. I have autism and ADHD. I have spent around a decade without any friends. Didn't care for about 7 years. Didn't feel loneliness. Tried driving away people who wanted to be friends as well [felt threatened by people trying to get close to me]/ I might be a schizoid myself.

I was mainly referring to the study you quoted as opposed to you yourself. Though I envy you... how do you manage to do it? In my case, I don't have that many people to push away as nobody really approaches me to begin with. At most, only two SaSu users wanted to be my friend but I unfortunately had to turn them down because I'm too developmentally damaged to make friends

You can get there through reinforcement therapy. Every time you feel lonely, distract yourself with something that's high reward for you [not food]. An activity.

Thank you for a genuine answer

To the question: You won't have a strong desire to complete projects, goals, etc. They have low desire to do anything. Just like with depression.

Oh, I'm okay with that personally, I never had any desires to complete projects, goals etc because I never had any goals to begin with. I was just born to not really want to achieve anything in life hence why I'm not built for this world

"Patients with SzPD can feel as if close emotional bonds are dangerous to themselves and others.[62][120][124] They may have feelings of inadequacy or shame.[125] Some people with SzPD may experience a deep desire to connect with others, yet will be terrified by the dangers inherent in doing so.[120][126] Avoidance of social situations may be a method of avoiding being hurt or rejected."
They WANT[ed] social relationships, that's why they feel negatively about themselves because of not being able to form the connections. Because of rejection of how they behave, they withdraw and become more antisocial. It's rarely seen and rarely diagnosed because most of them think this is normal for them and think reaching out is futile. If they can't connect with anyone else how are they going to connect with a therapist is their thought rationalization.

Interesting. I want to be less like that and more like you. I just don't want to crave social interactions at all and have the ability to not feel lonely because that's the only way I can combat my loneliness

 

[sserafim]

Create a tulpa

Wdym

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Create a tulpa

I wish I could but sadly I can't. It'd be nice if I could have a tulpa which would do all of the annoying stuff for me like work

 

[LevUwU]

I mean I get where you're coming from... but wanting a mental disorders of any kind is well

bad

 

[Rocinante]

Wdym

Tulpa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Adûnâi]

Tulpa - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

...Beat me to it. There is a guy on the incel Revolt (=Discord) chat, he apparently developed tulpa over a 3-4 year period. I'm not sure whether it's for everyone, however, I can't imagine hearing voices.

 

[Unicr0n]

how do you manage to do it?

Through a history of being a social outcast as a child. It's not intentional. It's just the feeling of seeing other people as potential threats if they try to get close to me/get to know me. I don't want it to be that way but trying to be friends with people doesn't result in anything. And when ?I do make a social connection with others, it's usually autistic people, which my brain tells me to vehemently avoid because they're just as socially outcast and you are who you hang around. It's not that I want to dislike them for being autistic, but my brain views them as something to dislike.

I was just born to not really want to achieve anything in life hence why I'm not built for this world

That's something you gotta find for yourself. Most people aren't born with a specific purpose in mind for them like someone destined to be a prince or something haha

. I just don't want to crave social interactions at all and have the ability to not feel lonely because that's the only way I can combat my loneliness

For me my drug of choice is art. Painting all day destroys any brief desire I might have for companionship [schizoid dilemma?]. It gives sooo much dopamine. I hope you have an activity like that! Good luck in your endeavours!

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I mean I get where you're coming from... but wanting a mental disorders of any kind is well

bad

I mean, is it? For the most part, I'd agree but mental illnesses are a human construct rather than being an objective fact in reality. I may be wrong but I heard that being gay was considered as a mental disorder in the past. Mental illnesses are mental illnesses that have been pathologised and subjectively defined by humanity. I think that having the ability to not desire friendships at all is amazing for somebody like me rather than it being a mental illness. The only way I can combat my loneliness is not to desire any friendships to begin with. Regardless, I do think that most mental illnesses deserve to be mental illnesses but there certainly can be exceptions

Through a history of being a social outcast as a child. It's not intentional. It's just the feeling of seeing other people as potential threats if they try to get close to me/get to know me. I don't want it to be that way but trying to be friends with people doesn't result in anything. And when ?I do make a social connection with others, it's usually autistic people, which my brain tells me to vehemently avoid because they're just as socially outcast and you are who you hang around. It's not that I want to dislike them for being autistic, but my brain views them as something to dislike.

I have the same history as you in this regard aside from the fact that I never really made a social connection irl, not even with other autistic people. I don't think that I actually talked to anybody irl aside from my family, my teachers/lecturers to answer questions and some random people I've been assigned to for university group work tasks (and the latter ends as soon as the task ends)

That's something you gotta find for yourself. Most people aren't born with a specific purpose in mind for them like someone destined to be a prince or something haha

Do you believe that everybody in this world desires something within life or do you think that there can be exceptions? Of course most people aren't born with a specfic purpose in mind (aside from procreating) but they do develop a purpose as they age from things in life such as goals and passions. I never had that to begin with and I honestly think that there are other people in life as well who never will develop their own purpose in life. After all, we were all thrust here against our consent so it makes sense that at least a few people wouldn't want to do anything in life. I mean, if you forcefully take everybody to a rollercoaster park, you can't expect them all to enjoy it for example

For me my drug of choice is art. Painting all day destroys any brief desire I might have for companionship [schizoid dilemma?]. It gives sooo much dopamine. I hope you have an activity like that! Good luck in your endeavours!

I see, I'm glad that you have something to rely on. Hopefully you can keep on relying on this for as long as possible

 

[Unicr0n]

I mean, is it?

Yes.

mental illnesses are a human construct rather than being an objective fact in reality

Wrong. People who have dementia you literally do see a loss of brain matter. A lot of mental illnesses result in a physical change of the structure of the brain. It's not a construct. People who have schizophrenia fit into a specific set of tropes that help define schizophrenia. Dementia is an objective fact in reality. So is depression and autism and a bunch of other things. These things are literally found in your genes, too. I

Mental illnesses are mental illnesses that have been pathologised and subjectively defined by humanity

Genes have shown a connection between dementia. I do research with neurodegeneration involved with that sort of thing. It's not just a subjective definition. It's backed by our DNA.

I think that having the ability to not desire friendships at all is amazing for somebody like me rather than it being a mental illness.

You can want these things but people actually afflicted by this do not want it. People always want what they can't have. If you had it, you would hate not being able to connect to others. It's so alienating. People don't want to be born with schizophrenia or psychosis or whatever but you people keep romanticizing it and desiring it like it's fun or good. Schizoid hurts. If I do have it [undiagnosed], I hate feeling threatened around everyone. When ever anyone talks to me, feeling that prickle of threat. It's so tiring and stressful. But I do need to communicate to work. Whether online or in real life.

If you yearn to not be friends with people, fine. But you don't need to be schizoid to desire that. People who are schizoid didn't want to be this way but it is.

Do you believe that everybody in this world desires something within life or do you think that there can be exceptio

I think most people desire to fit in and be successful based on being influenced by the people around him. People born with anhedonia don't desire that but they also don't tend to live long past childhood.

I never had that to begin with and I honestly think that there are other people in life as well who never will develop their own purpose in life.

honestly I'm strugglin with this too. i know im not born with purpose in this life. i was waiting to die for 10 years just drawing all day [ronic, the source of my greatest pleasure is also the source of my hopelessness due to lack of purpose]. i fight to find purpose in the jobs i do. it helps other people so i derive some pleasure and purpose from that