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Lifeless mindset

Lifeless mindset

See you on the other side
Oct 20, 2020
308
I just finished reading the NYT article and i'm honestly pissed off. i'm tired of pro lifers throwing so much dirt on this forum. we are all here because we are suffering and are in search for some sort of peace. i'm certain that if this website did not exist, every single member on here would struggle so much more with trying to find peace. We aren't here to encourage suicide, we are on here to be here for each other when nobody else was. even if some of us do have people who care about us, it doesn't change the fact that only the suicidal can understand the suicidal, so for someone who isn't suffering to the point of being suicidal to try to tell us we're encouraging suicide when all we're doing is trying to is give people mental support and simply be there for them. Not every parent has been or is suicidal, not every therapist you talk to has been or is suicidal, but being able to come on this site where thousands of people who have gone through similar experiences, provides a level of love and comfort that no therapist nor medicine can provide. i am a proud member on this forum and i believe everyone should have the right to end their suffering no matter how they choose to do so.
 
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Bootleg Astolfo

Bootleg Astolfo

Glorious Bean Plushie
Oct 12, 2020
831
*copy paste suicide hotline link*
*insert generic bullshit motivational stuff*
My work here is done, no need to do anykind of actual whatsoever to help, i'm saving people, im basically jesus christ himself, OH YES IM SUCH A GOOD PERSON UGHGHGHGHGHGH *cums everywhere* -The average prolifer.
 
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Lifeless mindset

Lifeless mindset

See you on the other side
Oct 20, 2020
308
*copy paste suicide hotline link*
*insert generic bullshit motivational stuff*
My work here is done, no need to do anykind of actual whatsoever to help, i'm saving people, im basically jesus christ himself, OH YES IM SUCH A GOOD PERSON UGHGHGHGHGHGH *cums everywhere* -The average prolifer.
hahaha
 
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flametrees

Member
Nov 22, 2021
16
I just read the NYT article. I thought children (people under the age of 18) were not allowed on here? Children should not be on here. This is a website for consenting adults only. Children should not be accessing websites that are designed for adults only.
 
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PrincessInWhite

PrincessInWhite

I just want to sell out my funeral
Feb 21, 2019
641
Absolutely. Just knowing I have a way out makes me want to live longer because I feel calmer and like there's no reason not to keep trying when I know I can leave whenever. Otherwise I feel trapped, like a caged animal. This article coming out actually pushed me to put plans in motion to ctb, actually. This site has kept me alive for almost 3 years. I really wish people could learn to see the shades of grey instead of trying to play the hero for the glory of it
 
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Sanva

Sanva

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Dec 10, 2021
261
absolutely. I've always felt completely alone in what I'm going through, like I'm the only person in the world who struggles with what I struggle with. just seeing some posts on here from people who have similar issues helps me because it makes me stop feeling like a total freak. People should be allowed to express what they're feeling and going through freely, but that doesn't fit into the perfect worldview of some neurotypicals so they want to shut us up. That way they can go on just ignoring us, because if they didn't, that would mean they would actually have to do something to fix real problems that exist within society. Censorship is much easier.
 
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ClownMe

ClownMe

Don't Cry for Me, I'm Already Dead
Apr 7, 2021
20,561
*copy paste suicide hotline link*
*insert generic bullshit motivational stuff*
My work here is done, no need to do anykind of actual whatsoever to help, i'm saving people, im basically jesus christ himself, OH YES IM SUCH A GOOD PERSON UGHGHGHGHGHGH *cums everywhere* -The average prolifer.
That's pretty much reddit, so glad I found here so I never have to go back there again.
 
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deflationary

deflationary

Fussy exister. Living in the epilogue
Mar 11, 2020
529
Yeah. That article was utterly alienating and really made me want to die even more. I clearly have no business sharing a planet with fuckers who can shamelessly produce crap like that. These people are living in denial and are tarring us for it. They have no interest in understanding us. What a complete shitshow.

All stuff like that achieves is widening the divide between suicidal people and the non-suicidal. Whether they want to admit it or not, suicide can be a reasonable choice. That can't be rationally denied. Denying it reveals you as a dishonest person and someone not worth talking to as a suicidal person. Since it is a perfectly reasonable option in the face of the realities of life, there has to be a place where it can be discussed openly and honestly. This is the place.

It's really so disappointing that people are like that.
 
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_Minsk

death: the cure for life
Dec 9, 2019
1,133
love this thread and the comments:3
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,801
average pro- lifer type beat when they drop a hotline number and a "You're so worth it hun xx"

My job here is done but you didnt do anything meme 451x1024
 
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lostundead

lostundead

Student
Mar 18, 2021
192
I wish you guys would stop using that 'pro-life' term all the time. The people who are hating on this site as a result of that NYT article don't even know what 'pro-life' means in the context of this debate. They are just clueless, emotion-driven redditors who jump on any bandwagon. Using it for everyone creates an us vs. them mentality that makes any fruitful debate between the two parties impossible and is therefore harmful to our cause.

As for the authors of the article, they aren't pro-lifers either, they are just scrupleless journos who care solely about making a good story that generates a lot of clicks.
 
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Crazy4u

Enlightened
Sep 29, 2021
1,318
I am angry just like you. Non-suicidal folks should have no business getting involved in what we do and what we discuss. This website is the only place available for us.

I hope the NYT story doesn't get popular.
 
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Someone123

Illuminated
Oct 19, 2021
3,875
I'm not mad at the people who wrote the article, they have a point of view that is partly legitimate. I think that among suicidal people there are basically two groups- people who are in a crisis who, if they get the right kind of help, can get their lives on track and go on to live happy lives. The other group is people for whom ctb is the right choice due to one or more serious issues that have really wrecked their lives. (This is an over-simplification, of course, because there is a whole spectrum. but I think it is essentially pretty accurate.) The group of people that is most likely to be in a temporary, fixable crisis is usually a young person who is often going through their first crisis with depression, though not always. A lot of people on this site offer words of encouragement to people who post things like that they are suicidal because they just broke up with a partner- this is usually a solvable problem over time. I think article offers an important perspective, though it is a relatively ignorant perspective, because the writer clearly doesn't understand what long-term serious depression is like. Sometimes shorter term depression also can make sense to ctb- an example is Texas Roadhouse CEO Kent Taylor, who committed suicide due to very loud tinnitus (constant ringing in the ears) that resulted from long-term Covid. I think a key goal that many of us share is to provide support for whatever choice a person makes- to encourage those who have signs of hope and to provide caring for those who are really struggling- this helps people to decide rationally what is best for them. The younger a person is the more likely it is that they are in a temporary crisis and that they didn't realize that asking certain people for help could have made the difference- in the most highly publicized cases if they just let their parents know it would have turned out better for them. I wish I could go back to my twenties with what I know now- I could have gotten my life on track- but over time a person can just run out of enough time and options to get things worked out. I think this article is a reminder that dealing with the fact that many people who commit suicide were in a temporary crisis and could have been helped, while keeping in mind that for many people ctb to leave certain problems behind is likely their best option. One other key factor is that the system treats depression with medication (which is no solution in most cases, very ineffective hospitalization, and very ineffective therapy. The main cause of depression for most people iso otrher people treating them like crap, so pills won't help with this, hospitalization won't help with this, and talking to someone usually won't help with this- figuring out which people are hurting you most and which people can help is the most important thing, and some people are so manipulative and cruel that this is not easy to figure out. It is a small percentage of therapists who are out there who are able to actually help patients- most realize that the longer they drag their patients problems out the more money they make, and that's the ony thing some of them care about. Will a therapist help a child fight against their parents mental abuse when the parents are paying the bill. Often they won't. I could ramble forever, and I've probably overdone it, but these are some thoughts on issues raised by this article.
 
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XIII

XIII

Member
Oct 24, 2018
10
I wish you guys would stop using that 'pro-life' term all the time. The people who are hating on this site as a result of that NYT article don't even know what 'pro-life' means in the context of this debate. They are just clueless, emotion-driven redditors who jump on any bandwagon. Using it for everyone creates an us vs. them mentality that makes any fruitful debate between the two parties impossible and is therefore harmful to our cause.

As for the authors of the article, they aren't pro-lifers either, they are just scrupleless journos who care solely about making a good story that generates a lot of clicks.
Well, what do we call those people then? I do agree with you, though. I've seen people confuse the hotline-pasting folk with anti-abortion folk.
 
demuic

demuic

Life was a mistake
Sep 12, 2020
1,383
I'm not mad at the people who wrote the article, they have a point of view that is partly legitimate. I think that among suicidal people there are basically two groups- people who are in a crisis who, if they get the right kind of help, can get their lives on track and go on to live happy lives. The other group is people for whom ctb is the right choice due to one or more serious issues that have really wrecked their lives. (This is an over-simplification, of course, because there is a whole spectrum. but I think it is essentially pretty accurate.) The group of people that is most likely to be in a temporary, fixable crisis is usually a young person who is often going through their first crisis with depression, though not always. A lot of people on this site offer words of encouragement to people who post things like that they are suicidal because they just broke up with a partner- this is usually a solvable problem over time. I think article offers an important perspective, though it is a relatively ignorant perspective, because the writer clearly doesn't understand what long-term serious depression is like. Sometimes shorter term depression also can make sense to ctb- an example is Texas Roadhouse CEO Kent Taylor, who committed suicide due to very loud tinnitus (constant ringing in the ears) that resulted from long-term Covid. I think a key goal that many of us share is to provide support for whatever choice a person makes- to encourage those who have signs of hope and to provide caring for those who are really struggling- this helps people to decide rationally what is best for them. The younger a person is the more likely it is that they are in a temporary crisis and that they didn't realize that asking certain people for help could have made the difference- in the most highly publicized cases if they just let their parents know it would have turned out better for them. I wish I could go back to my twenties with what I know now- I could have gotten my life on track- but over time a person can just run out of enough time and options to get things worked out. I think this article is a reminder that dealing with the fact that many people who commit suicide were in a temporary crisis and could have been helped, while keeping in mind that for many people ctb to leave certain problems behind is likely their best option. One other key factor is that the system treats depression with medication (which is no solution in most cases, very ineffective hospitalization, and very ineffective therapy. The main cause of depression for most people iso otrher people treating them like crap, so pills won't help with this, hospitalization won't help with this, and talking to someone usually won't help with this- figuring out which people are hurting you most and which people can help is the most important thing, and some people are so manipulative and cruel that this is not easy to figure out. It is a small percentage of therapists who are out there who are able to actually help patients- most realize that the longer they drag their patients problems out the more money they make, and that's the ony thing some of them care about. Will a therapist help a child fight against their parents mental abuse when the parents are paying the bill. Often they won't. I could ramble forever, and I've probably overdone it, but these are some thoughts on issues raised by this article.
Their point of view isn't even worth considering. 99% of any discussion of suicide or suicide prevention in the mainstream assume that someone is in the first group, going through a temporary crisis that could easily be solved if only they would've stuck around juuuuust a little bit longer. This is nothing but a rehash of the same tiresome conversation that paints everyone with the same brush without looking at individual circumstances.

Nothing of what they say does anything to help people in the second group. I think that's the majority of people on this site, which is why it's particularly irrelevant in an article flaming SS. They can cherrypick a handful of cases of someone going through a seemingly "temporary problem" but won't look into other things they were struggling with that had no obvious cure.
 
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veryhappyhuman

veryhappyhuman

Specialist
Aug 25, 2021
340
They consider suicidal thoughts irrational, but then side with the folks who are grieving a recent loss and want to censor the internet in response. I do empathize with the latter but how is that any more rational?

One of the pro-choice arguments for abortion is that those who desperately want it are going to get it one way or the other, and the "other" isn't usually pretty. Long-term depressed, life-in-a-rut types like me are in the same boat when it comes to suicide.

As for non-adults using this site, yes that is unfortunate and should absolutely be prevented. But to me that's a problem with no solution. If this site didn't exist, there'd be another one selling guns (where legal), or another one discussing human anatomy or... you get the point. I'm not even getting into illegal/darknet etc sites. Maybe, just maybe, parents should spend more time with their kids, take them outside, and not let the internet raise the kids for them. Or failing that, at least invest in a decent parental control software.

If we start banning stuff because kids MIGHT access them, we'd have nothing left except school websites and about half of wikipedia.
 
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justsayin

justsayin

Member
Jan 30, 2021
493
Well, what do we call those people then? I do agree with you, though. I've seen people confuse the hotline-pasting folk with anti-abortion folk.

Maybe suicide is just a late abortion.
 
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