Is it inevitable that suicidal people will kill themselves?

[Final Escape]

I personally don't think so. I mean if there are the proper supports where you genuinely get real help with your circumstances quickly and efficiently. It's just cruel to force people into a prison like holding place where they drug you against your will maybe? Not sure on that since I've never been taken to a psych center, or hospitalized. I think the key to preventing suicide is to get people help before it ever comes to this in the first place. It's a little late in the game when someone is planning and has been in despair for a very long time. If people can feel safe being open about suicidal thoughts without being punished for it, that might be a start too. If you get hospitalized or committed it can really harm you financially, job, labeled as crazy, u can lose your housing, car, etc. This is one reason people fear telling anybody. Drugging people to stabilize them might temporarily help but as many of us know, the drugs can have terrible side effects and you don't want to become dependent on some of those drugs. Might actually make you worse off down the road.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I don't think it's 'inevitable', I think it's entirely down to the individual and their personal circumstances. Some people may have suicidal thoughts that wax and wane their entire lives but they find that they, personally - or with a supportive family or whatever can cope.

Other people may suddenly fall into a deep depression out of nowhere and ctb immediately.

There's no way of really knowing. I think supportive and positive mental health services can go a long way to help people who want that type of help but, sadly, there's a huge inconsistency in the type and level of support offered. I, personally, believe compulsory admission to a psychiatric unit is antagonistic to a person who is not harming others.

Edit: as for medication, some people it has made all the difference to and some people it has caused irreparable harm so that is such a tough one to call. I think everything is worth a try including therapy etc but I, personally, am a little wary of psychiatrists who throw a vast amount of medication at patients, constantly changing things as this must surely cause some deep swirling confusion at best.

 

[Final Escape]

I don't think it's 'inevitable', I think it's entirely down to the individual and their personal circumstances. Some people may have suicidal thoughts that wax and wane their entire lives but they find that they, personally - or with a supportive family or whatever can cope.

Other people may suddenly fall into a deep depression out of nowhere and ctb immediately.

There's no way of really knowing. I think supportive and positive mental health services can go a long way to help people who want that type of help but, sadly, there's a huge inconsistency in the type and level of support offered. I, personally, believe compulsory admission to a psychiatric unit is antagonistic to a person who is not harming others.

Yes this is my thoughts as well, you covered a couple things I missed. Where some people impulsively kill themselves and it might be impossible to prevent it in those cases. The way it is handled as far as the services is not good for everybody. Also if you have a debilitating chronic illness, how are u going to force somebody to keep going when they cannot get relief for chronic pain or have a severely reduced quality of life.

 

[wxtyubidi7y]

No, even if it was inevitable that a suicidal person would make an attempt, only about 1 in 25 of those are successful.

 

[JustAboutDone]

Also, a proportion of people will make not so serious multiple attempts as they are in pain and desperately want help from mental health services who are not taking them seriously yet, tragically, for these people sometimes things can have unintended consequences and they can end up dead which is heartbreaking. :-(

 

[21Neberg]

I agree with the other kind people in this thread that it isn't inevitable. I read a lot on this forum that people are lonely. I think many of us could cope with the feelings we have if we had someone by our side who we could tell everything and anything, and they'd still be by our side. Unfortunately many of us don't have a person like that.

 

[JustAboutDone]

I agree with the other kind people in this thread that it isn't inevitable. I read a lot on this forum that people are lonely. I think many of us could cope with the feelings we have if we had someone by our side who we could tell everything and anything, and they'd still be by our side. Unfortunately many of us don't have a person like that.

@21Neberg you've got us right beside you x

 

[21Neberg]

@21Neberg you've got us right beside you x

You're too kind. Let's face the truth though - the internet can't replace real human contact, at least for me. Love you too though, and the site and its community definetely helps though!

 

[throwaway123]

yes, I have come to believe that this is our fate.

 

[Armadillo]

No, a lot of suicidal people eventually get better.
And with decent support and treatment many more would choose not to CTB.

But a small minority just won't want to live no matter what.
To some can be given reasons to live, to some not.

 

[TAW122]

But a small minority just won't want to live no matter what.

I believe I'm in that camp. This is because throughout most of my life, I've been through failure after failure, disappointment after disappointment, neverending torment and I'm just so done. I don't care if the next one, the next nth trials will be the "successful" one, I'm just done. The benefits (for me) do NOT outweigh the costs. Also, there are some problems in my life that has no solution, no answer, and it vexes me to no end. Death (by my own hand) will be my ultimate fate.

 

[couragetodie]

I don't know. Maybe. I was suicidal almost 10 years ago and thought I would never be again. Now I am suicidal. So who knows? If you are on the fence then maybe you need to keep thinking about it — idk. Everyone has different outlooks on their future. I see only a bad future for myself so I choose to ctb before it's all too unbearable. I imagine some people want to ctb but then decide not to and live many many years. I thought this was going to be me. I was wrong.

 

[bigj75]

No but the more suicidal the greater of your % to kill yourself goes up.

 

[mattwitt]

This is a big NO. And the health powers that be know this and that's why they do things the way they do.

According to the statistics presented on this site... http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/suicide

Only 1 out of 25 people who attempt suicide succeed.
Only 1 out of 10 of those people who attempted and failed go on to eventually succeed at killing themselves
Which means only 3.5 out of 25 people who attempt suicide actually succeed in the end.
So in the end the vast majority of people who attempt suicide go on to die of natural causes. (21.5 out of 25)
Also how many people are suicidal and never attempt ?

 

[Sixfeetunder]

I don't think so. With some people, it's inevitable that they will. But with others, I think that they can either get the proper help or they aren't capable of ctb. They just can't hurt themselves.

 

[dysfunctional]

I would guess its a pretty low percentage. But how do we define suicidal? Alot of people have passing thoughts of killing themselves. As many of us know, its hard to summon up the will/bravery to actual go through with it.