Is it guaranteed that we'll never again experience life after death?

[ali.hamza]

It's hopeful that our death will end all our suffering but after death is it guaranteed that we'll never be alive again in any form? We cannot control anything. Even that we couldn't control our own birth. We're living in a world of possibilities. Anything can happen here. If you would study Physics and Cosmology, you would know how complex and miraculous this universe is.
We don't know what's beyond the curtain of death. The biological answer to this question is simple and brings comfort to our depressed souls but death is always a mystery. The explanation to the question varies from philosophical perspective to the religious doctrine. What do you think what's going to happen after we die?

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Level 2

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

No it's not guaranteed unfortunately.
I am not even sure if this world is real.

 

[ali.hamza]

Level 2

I didn't understand.

 

[Linda]

Is it guaranteed that unicorns don't exist? No, it isn't. But no sensible person believes they do exist. The reason no sensible person believes in unicorns is that there is no evidence whatever that unicorns exist. There is no evidence whatever for life after death either, so no sensible person should believe in life after death. That's not quite a guarantee that there is no life after death, but it's as close to a guarantee as it is possible to get.

 

[rozeske]

Unfortunately or fortunately, however way you look at it, No, nothing is guaranteed after death. Am sure we are going to be surprised, some more than others, If there is any part of us left to be surprised.

 

[breezeboy]

Is it guaranteed that unicorns don't exist? No, it isn't. But no sensible person believes they do exist. The reason no sensible person believes in unicorns is that there is no evidence whatever that unicorns exist. There is no evidence whatever for life after death either, so no sensible person should believe in life after death. That's not quite a guarantee that there is no life after death, but it's as close to a guarantee as it is possible to get.

"No sensible person should believe in life after death"

I wish I could be that ignorant and uneducated..

 

[Byebyemap]

So frustrating right? I have the same thoughts... We just can't know. I listened to a lot of podcasts about reincarnation and near death experiences. Some are sure we do go on.

Possibilities
1) Death is the end
2) Death is not the end

I think I believe that something is going on with consciousness. Something is suspicious. Don't know how to put it.

It's tempting to find out for sure. Fuck man so weird.

 

[middlelord]

Nothing is guaranteed, heaven or hell, reincarnation, or even endless void.

But I'm betting my ass on this heaven/hell concept tho. If it ends up being an endless void, oh well, existence is truly a disappointment.

 

[rozeske]

If it ends up being an endless void, oh well, existence is truly a disappointment.

Exactly! A pointless disappointment.

 

[26mmmm]

"No sensible person should believe in life after death"

I wish I could be that ignorant and uneducated..

Why do you say that?
Maybe life after death as depicted by religions is likely not true since it is a way too specific guess but assuming that there is just some type of life after death is a way broader assumption and makes more sense.
Do you count reincarnation as life after death?

 

[ijustwishtodie]

No, it isn't guaranteed but, to me, it's the most likely outcome. Either way, death is inevitable so you'll have to experience it anyway so you may as well just believe in whatever you want to

 

[CasperDaGhost]

Guaranteed? By no means. Death is life's greatest mystery. Way I see it most evidence points to it being nonexistence.
But we don't know anything about it other than no one ever coming back from it. So considering it can be anything. I don't see a problem with imagining it being something you like or at the very least something you're indifferent to. Like some kind of reward after having to deal with something you think warrants CTB.

 

[26mmmm]

Is it guaranteed that unicorns don't exist? No, it isn't. But no sensible person believes they do exist. The reason no sensible person believes in unicorns is that there is no evidence whatever that unicorns exist. There is no evidence whatever for life after death either, so no sensible person should believe in life after death. That's not quite a guarantee that there is no life after death, but it's as close to a guarantee as it is possible to get.

I'd like to think that your analogy fits when it comes to assuming a very specific type of afterlife exists, but assuming there is any type of afterlife at all would be more like assuming there are aliens - not stereotypical ones but literally any living being outside this planet. Its a way broader guess so the chances of it being correct are higher.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

We don't know and we will never know. We don't even know how "life" in the simplest forms came into existence and why molecules and reproduce themselves in certain configurations consuming other molecules. Consciousness and life could be a result of a yet undiscovered quantum field. The fact is death / destruction = life / evolution in this universe. If stars did not die and won't die to produce the elements we are made of - if the dinosaurs weren't extinct because of a a major impact that destroyed this kind of life - mammals and ultimately humans - would not have came into existence - most likely not in the form we experience it today.

I wouldn't be too worried about a life after death bc even if that was true 99.99% of all living humans don't remember anything about their past life/lives.

 

[ali.hamza]

Exactly! A pointless disappointment.

Same for me.

 

[breezeboy]

Why do you say that?
Maybe life after death as depicted by religions is likely not true since it is a way too specific guess but assuming that there is just some type of life after death is a way broader assumption and makes more sense.
Do you count reincarnation as life after death?

I'm struggling to take this reply seriously because you asked if I count reincarnation as life after death..

Reincarnation is literally the "rebirth of a soul in a new body".

 

[SadGoose]

"To be, or not to be, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by opposing end them. To die—to sleep,
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to: 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep, perchance to dream—ay, there's the rub:
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause—there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th'oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th'unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovere'd country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience doth make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action."

- William Shakespeare

 

[ali.hamza]

Guaranteed? By no means. Ironically, death is life's greatest mystery. Way I see it most evidence points to it being nonexistence.
But we don't know anything about it other than no one ever coming back from it. So considering it can be anything. I don't see a problem with imagining it being something you like or at the very least something you're indifferent to. Like some kind of reward after having to deal with something you think warrants CTB.

If we don't exist then we don't need any reward and we don't need to be a part of this. We cannot assume things instead we should be willing to know the truth so that we can make the right decisions. But I think to know the truth that what's beyond death we have to die and unfortunately we cannot control anything. We cannot act beyond our limits. We think if we commit suicide we can escape from all this but this also one of our limit and we cannot act beyond it. To clarify it, think about an animal. An animal cannot commit suicide which is beyond its limits, no matters how much suffering it's going through. What we can do is to think and do our best to be not a part of all this.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I didn't understand.

You've gotta beat the big boss, then it'll all make sense after that. Good luck!

 

[Linda]

"No sensible person should believe in life after death"

I wish I could be that ignorant and uneducated..

If you choose to believe in things for which there is no evidence, you are entitled to do so. But to me it seems foolish. Why stop at that particular belief? There are millions of things for which there is no evidence whatever, so why not believe in them? You should at least be consistent: you should believe in unicorns; you should believe in the Tooth Fairy; you should believe that I am the reincarnation of Cleopatra; you should believe that there is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, etc. Our knowledge of the world comes from evidence, and only from evidence. We simply have no other source of knowledge.

I'd like to think that your analogy fits when it comes to assuming a very specific type of afterlife exists, but assuming there is any type of afterlife at all would be more like assuming there are aliens - not stereotypical ones but literally any living being outside this planet. Its a way broader guess so the chances of it being correct are higher.

There is an important difference. We have (as yet) no direct evidence for the existence of life beyond earth, but we do have some actual evidence on which we can base our speculations. There are basically two items of actual evidence: (1) Life was present on earth very early in earth's history, which suggests that in the right conditions, life can arise fairly easily. (2) There are a helluva lot of planets out there, so we would expect that at least some of them have the "right" conditions. To go beyond that involves speculation. My own view, i.e. my speculation based on those two pieces of evidence, is that it is very likely that there is life out there somewhere. When you consider life after death I don't think you have ANY reliable evidence on which to base your speculations. That doesn't mean you can't speculate, of course, but you must recognise that there is nothing supporting those speculations.

 

[breezeboy]

If you choose to believe in things for which there is no evidence, you are entitled to do so. But to me it seems foolish. Why stop at that particular belief? There are millions of things for which there is no evidence whatever, so why not believe in them? You should at least be consistent: you should believe in unicorns; you should believe in the Tooth Fairy; you should believe that I am the reincarnation of Cleopatra; you should believe that there is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow, etc. Our knowledge of the world comes from evidence, and only from evidence. We simply have no other source of knowledge.

The comparisons you choose again just confirm what I had already deduced from your first post.
Just because you choose to be ignorant about things you don't know/understand doesn't mean everyone else does.

Never seen someone compare the tooth fairy to one of the worlds most age-old and philosophical questions lol. That was funny Linda

 

[Linda]

The comparisons you choose again just confirm what I had already deduced from your first post.
Just because you choose to be ignorant about things you don't know/understand doesn't mean everyone else does.

Never seen someone compare the tooth fairy to one of the worlds most age-old and philosophical questions lol. That was funny Linda

I don't like to parade my credentials, but you provoked me, so I will. I have a bachelors degree, a masters degree, and a PhD, all from one of the world's best universities. I also happen to be the world's leading authority on one particular scientific subject, and have written the standard reference work on that subject. On top of that, I have thought deeply about the matters that are the topic of this thread throughout the whole of my life. Feel free to disagree with me, but calling anyone on this site "ignorant and uneducated" is very bad manners, and in my case it is just plain wrong. Would those words be better applied to yourself?

I am on this site to support people, not to engage in polemics. But if you really want a confrontation I will be happy to give you one. I have had to fight all my life, I am very good at it, and you will lose.

So shall we just end this discussion here?

 

[The Schizoid]

I'd say what's more likely is you simply lose consciousness and lose the ability to experience anything and that's it.

I don't see any reason to believe in an afterlife.

 

[ali.hamza]

I'd say what's more likely is you simply lose consciousness and lose the ability to experience anything and that's it.

I don't see any reason to believe in an afterlife.

I hope so.

I don't like to parade my credentials, but you provoked me, so I will. I have a bachelors degree, a masters degree, and a PhD, all from one of the world's best universities. I also happen to be the world's leading authority on one particular scientific subject, and have written the standard reference work on that subject. On top of that, I have thought deeply about the matters that are the topic of this thread throughout the whole of my life. Feel free to disagree with me, but calling anyone on this site "ignorant and uneducated" is very bad manners, and in my case it is just plain wrong. Would those words be better applied to yourself?

I am on this site to support people, not to engage in polemics. But if you really want a confrontation I will be happy to give you one. I have had to fight all my life, I am very good at it, and you will lose.

So shall we just end this discussion here?

Just be calm. We're not here to win an argument. We're here to share our perspective based on our knowledge, thinking and experiences.
I hope you understand.

 

[breezeboy]

I don't like to parade my credentials, but you provoked me, so I will. I have a bachelors degree, a masters degree, and a PhD, all from one of the world's best universities. I also happen to be the world's leading authority on one particular scientific subject, and have written the standard reference work on that subject.

Wouldn't have guessed that one. Props

On top of that, I have thought deeply about the matters that are the topic of this thread throughout the whole of my life. Feel free to disagree with me, but calling anyone on this site "ignorant and uneducated" is very bad manners, and in my case it is just plain wrong. Would those words be better applied to yourself?

I am on this site to support people, not to engage in polemics. But if you really want a confrontation I will be happy to give you one. I have had to fight all my life, I am very good at it, and you will lose.

So shall we just end this discussion here?

I wasn't trying to attack.
I wasn't even looking to engage in a conversation I was just speaking to your comment about
"There is no evidence whatever for life after death either, no sensible person should believe in life after death". That's an ignorant thing to say.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

I don't like to parade my credentials, but you provoked me, so I will. I have a bachelors degree, a masters degree, and a PhD, all from one of the world's best universities. I also happen to be the world's leading authority on one particular scientific subject, and have written the standard reference work on that subject. On top of that, I have thought deeply about the matters that are the topic of this thread throughout the whole of my life. Feel free to disagree with me, but calling anyone on this site "ignorant and uneducated" is very bad manners, and in my case it is just plain wrong. Would those words be better applied to yourself?

I am on this site to support people, not to engage in polemics. But if you really want a confrontation I will be happy to give you one. I have had to fight all my life, I am very good at it, and you will lose.

So shall we just end this discussion here?

knock knock
--"Who is it?"
-"It's me, Jesus. Let me in."
--"Why do you want in?"
-"I want to save you."...
--"Save me from what?"
-"From what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.

 

[SVEN]

No.

 

[walkingdead2023]

Sure! Who said there isn't life after death?? None really knows unless they have evidence they need to provide here! We have religions talking about life after death, the day of judgment, hell & heaven so everyone on earth is wrong and some people here are correct! It's not changing the fact that I hate life but we really can't say what's after death! I hate to argue with people i personally I do believe death is not peace.

 

[ali.hamza]

Sure! Who said there isn't life after death?? None really knows unless they have evidence they need to provide here! We have religions talking about life after death, the day of judgment, hell & heaven so everyone on earth is wrong and some people here are correct! It's not changing the fact that I hate life but we really can't say what's after death! I hate to argue with people i personally I do believe death is not peace.

I'm curious to know what's beyond the curtain of death. Soon or later I have to experience death so I would like to experience it as soon as possible.