Is it bad to being autistic in France?

[disabledlife]

Is it bad to being autistic in France?

 

[Snake of Eden]

For me it is bad to be autistic everywhere. Some people enjoy it though as it present with special intelligence. I think it is more about the person than the place

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't live in France so I do not know exactly. But I believe just being autistic means you are disadvantaged in life, or at least in my case. I am not meant for this world and I simply cannot cope. It has also affected the way that others have treat me. Many neurotypical people have a lack of understanding towards autism.

 

[Unicron]

It's difficult being autistic anywhere. I feel alien in my own bed, let alone amongst others. The world doesn't understand us and we don't understand them. Some of us just weren't made for this life.

 

[Insomniac]

Is it bad to being autistic in France?

France has the best social services in the whole world so It's probably less worse there. Being being autistic sucks in general.

 

[disabledlife]

France has the best social services in the whole world so It's probably less worse there. Being being autistic sucks in general.

It's true, but the mentality in France destroys autistic people. Autistic people end up in mental hospitals, tied to the bed.
Another problem for France is its family policy. Everything is done to procreate, without any supervision or license to procreate. So bad parents can have children, even when they are known to be bad parents, violent, unable to educate, ... There are scandals of child slaves, prostitutes, pickpockets ... France helps these parents with generous allowances, justice protects them. Talk about license to procreate is considered as nazi.

 

[Insomniac]

France helps these parents with generous allowances, justice protects them. Talk about license to procreate is considered as nazi.

I'm actually against the concept of license to procreate. And I do consider it a nazi ideology.

Maybe I say that because I'm black, and I know that it's black people who are going g to suffer the most from this. Usually, the law FAVORS the rich and white. It's like visas and passports. Everyone can travel anywhere but if you're from a third world country, traveling g is practically forbidden for you because of how powerless your passport is.

Just give people the rught to commit suicide peacefully. Over the counter suicide pills is the right we should all have, adults and children included.

It's about giving people more rights and options. NOT taking away the right they do have. Like the morons in Texas who forbid abortion. You wouldn't want them to mandate child bearing for every woman, right? Well, it's the same things. I feel deeply threatened by ideas like license to procreate, because I'm black and from a poor country. If the law can decide who can give birth, then it's practically a genocide on black people. Many other communities would feel the same. No human can decide who is more fit to procreate and who is not. Look at the deaf and mute community, they're doing alright despite their disability. They have their own language and practices. The blind community too. Some people live for their religious belief, not for material lifestyle, so telling them that they are too poor to procreate would make no sense to them. And most of society is completely mentally ill (considering we're litterally self destructive, destroying nature, overconsumption) so who would be that "healthy" person that would tell others that they are too unhealthy to procreate?

Like I said, giving people the option to die peacefully is the best thing they can do. Not everyone wants to commit suicide, even among those who suffer the most. Some people truly want to live and some people, despite their horrible life conditions are super grateful to be here. Be careful and don't generalise your feelings.

 

[disabledlife]

This license should not be discriminatory, but just to prevent the birth of children who might regret being born. Living disabled is unbearable, except courage. On the other hand, skin color will never be taken into account. The development of this permit should be done by a direct democracy, be totally transparent and verified by democracy. Unfortunately the Nazis hijacked eugenics and many sciences for example, for their selfish needs and their absurd ideologies.
Théophile de Giraud, à Belgium antinatalist made this video, see, with subtitles.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

This license should not be discriminatory, but just to prevent the birth of children who might regret being born. Living disabled is unbearable, except courage. On the other hand, skin color will never be taken into account. The development of this permit should be done by a direct democracy, be totally transparent and verified by democracy. Unfortunately the Nazis hijacked eugenics and many sciences for example, for their selfish needs and their absurd ideologies.

My stupid mother continued to work in a healthcare setting where she was exposed to pathogens and viruses daily whilst pregnant with me. Viral infection (besides genetics) is one of the highest risk factors for Autism.

You can examine studies done during pandemics (for example, Polio, before vaccination existed for the disease) and see a tenable connection between pregnant women who contracted symptomatic diseases during gestation- thus eliciting a robust immunological response- and risk of their child being born with a developmental disability.

Did anyone warn my mother against getting pregnant while she worked in a high risk healthcare setting? Nope. Did anyone try to dissuade her from having children even though she has CFS, chronic pain, depression, and several other illnesses that make her physically unable to care for her child? Nope.

My mother was encouraged to procreate, then wanted nothing to do with her offspring when I entered this world. She has told me she felt no connection towards me whatsoever, and had been taking psych drugs around the time of my conception and subsequent pregnancy. She also had volitaile ECT treatments either before the pregnancy, or shortly after my birth.

Thus, I have grown up without a mother because she wanted nothing to do with me. My father was an irresponsible alcoholic who died while I was in elementary school. Should either of them have been parents? No way. Yet my mother has gone on to have even MORE children she doesn't take care of, placing a burden on my elderly and febrile grandmother to raise them.

I genuinely don't understand why this is allowed to happen. From the point of view of the child, taking into account their best interests and welfare, why are they forced to pay the price for their irresponsible parent's actions?

Social services in nearly every country are utterly useless to boot, as in the vast vast majority of cases, they will refuse to separate the child from the biological parents no matter how unfit these parents may be.

One of my classmates in high school got pregnant multiple times, all while having polydrug addictions to illicit substances like meth and opiates on top of a drinking problem. One of the children was born addicted to drugs and suffering from FAS. That poor baby will never have any sort of future, especially when the appointed guardian is the father who is also an addict.

I don't understand how people can sit there and watch these women actively destroying the life of the fetus they are carrying, without saying a single word. No one ever encourages these people not to have children in the first place, or to seek out abortions, even if they have extensive criminal records proving that they are dangerous and incapable of caring for an innocent new being.

On a chronic fatigue syndrome forum, I actively see people encouraging each other to get pregnant in spite of them being severely disabled and unable to care for themselves. Pregnancy is very risky when you have chronic illnesses, but stating this reality is not allowed, because they think you're depriving them of their basal desire for a mini-me clone.

You see so many posts where these individual's marriages are broken apart because the spouse has to do all the childcare, the children resent their parents for not properly spending time with them, their financial situations are strained because none of them can work and provide the necessary income required for child raising, etc. Then other commenters will call them hero's, when they made the conscious decision to ruin their lives in pursuit of biological children. It is an absolute piss take.

Our society is one that encourages procreation at all costs, no matter how much the child is going to suffer, no matter how abusive or negligent the parents are, no matter how dangerous the living environment is.. It's socially unacceptable to suggest that some people shouldn't be parents, even if it's an innocent child who has to suffer the consequences of this impenetrable dogma.

 

[disabledlife]

I thought about the license to procreate because I am not the only one to think so. I thought about it because when I was born, all of society hated me, blamed me for being born! Yes, there are countless children and then adults who have been reproached for being born, as if they had chosen to be born on their own! With the coronavirus, society almost collapsed! The first to fall with a collapsing society are the disabled, the dependent, the lonely, the rejected, without survival assistance. Knowing that dependent people, people with disabilities, rejected people are often without income, without the means to have foreseen the resources to adapt to the changes due to the collapse of the society. It has nothing to do with skin color! Poor countries will even adapt better to the collapse of the absurd society based on limitless capitalism! They talk to me about integrating everyone, inclusion ... So why do we continue the school bullying, the reproaches, the rejection, the discrimination. If we can spare future unborn people from these conditions, we must do so. It's a duty ! Badly born people are rejected from marriage, from being in a couple, therefore prohibited from procreating. In an absurd society where procreation counts at all costs, should rape and forced marriages be legalized? Human stupidity has no limit!
On the other hand, I never understand why, as soon as someone rejected, treated as undesirable ... wants to die, everyone yells at him, lecture him, tell him he deserves hell, call him cowardly.

 

[Snake of Eden]

license to procreate will never work. There is no way it can be efficiently implemented it. Procreation is an issue that only can be helped with more realistic world view that has to permeate in culture and education to replace the old optimist rose coloured way of tackling the subject of procreation. That would never happen in this world at the moment giving how we have been doing things for so long. It is a very complex issue with many facets and determinants. I think we should save energy for something that is rather more controllable

 

[disabledlife]

Without a procreation permit, what if parents continue to create children despite their previous children having been taken away by social services?

There have been cases, not so rare, where parents continued to create children after their previous children were taken from them for mistreatment, violence, sexual abuse ... There were 20 and even 30 children! In France, Belgium, Germany. Especially in France where these parents accumulate generous social assistance!

Doctors, gynecologists, pediatricians, nurses, etc., are frustrated that they don't exist this permit when they see this! They are powerless and must let these parents continue to create children, without limit!

 

[Insomniac]

Without a procreation permit, what if parents continue to create children despite their previous children having been taken away by social services?

There have been cases, not so rare, where parents continued to create children after their previous children were taken from them for mistreatment, violence, sexual abuse ... There were 20 and even 30 children! In France, Belgium, Germany. Especially in France where these parents accumulate generous social assistance!

Doctors, gynecologists, pediatricians, nurses, etc., are frustrated that they don't exist this permit when they see this! They are powerless and must let these parents continue to create children, without limit!

I'm still firmly against the idea of a procreation passport. It's one of those things I'd be willing to go to war for. Ironically, I, myself have decided to never have children because of my mental state. I do look down on people who chose to procreate just for a sense of accomplishment.

However, the idea of taking away the right to procreate from someone, anyone, fills me with rage. Even I don't know why exactly.

Like I said, it's about giving people more right. It's not about taking away their rights. Forcing people to procreate is disgusting, just like stopping them from it. It's STILL THEIR BODY.

Giving everyone access to peaceful suicide. If the child decides that it wants to die, then it should be able to. That's the only thing I am for.

Governments aren't supposed to take away people's rights, it's supposed to solve things by making more option available. That's all.

 

[disabledlife]

I still don't know what your solution would be if you were faced with parents who have had 30 children, for example, because the 29 others were taken away from them by social services.

The first idea would be to withdraw the allowances to these bad parents, and to pay them directly to the children with a system of State guardianship with the right of supervision of the children, and of people of trust, to finance their life, in family of welcome if necessary. It would be a first step without going to the license to procreate. We have to change the law.

I confess that I do not like the idea of the license to procreate, but I felt compelled to talk about it because the catastrophic situation that badly born children undergo pity me, I also suffered, that that could have been preventable. I saw people sinking into the madness, being put in a straitjacket, put under guardianship, stolen by their own family, humiliated, forcibly injected with painkillers, beaten ...

I have seen associations, hospitals, which do not respect their disabled, elderly, different beneficiaries, just like certain families, who beat them, humiliate them, share humiliating things about vulnerable people on the internet ... We can no longer trust your own family. Rejected, alone, totally abandoned.

And what about the parents who allow an anonymous childbirth, "born under X" always possible in France, the parents' right to prohibit children they reject from knowing the identity of their parents, their health (whether they there is no communicable disease), their identity, discreetly entrusted to host families, which the French state discreetly disguises as a family, original parent, not adoptive!

France bans, as if by chance, any DNA test, for oneself, and severely punishes fraudsters! Yet it is possible to buy it from abroad and get tested to find out the truth.

Already, to do as you think, to give a right to exit peacefully, it is already a very good thing, there could be legal actions against the pro-lifes for torture for the fact of retaining people in their inappeasable suffering despite their constant complaints to leave life according to their carefully considered wishes.

I don't know what the future of humanity will be, but given the increase in population on a planet that will not be able to support this indefinitely, the question of the permit to procreate will arise again, before nature s 'in charge itself via wars, the collapse of society, every man for himself, ... the weakest will agonize and die in suffering, it will be inevitable. The question is not if this will happen, but when.

 

[Insomniac]

I still don't know what your solution would be if you were faced with parents who have had 30 children, for example, because the 29 others were taken away from them by social services.

I apologize, I didn't notice you were discussing this particular case.

Having 30 children is obviously criminal and nut. then in this case it falls more into the category of population control ? I'm not against population control if it becomes necessary and if it's done wisely.

Laws are made for the majority. Most people haven't reach that level of madness (of wanting 30 children), so this is more like an isolated incidence. I don't have any opinion on the matter. Maybe execute the parents, I don't care in this case.

30 children? what the hell, lol, ok.

Well, I'm talking but my grandma had 13 children of her own so.

 

[disabledlife]

I fix certains world in my previous message. I've problem with bad keyboard, idiocracy in the tech. Sorry.

 

[noname223]

To the topic of licence to get a child. It is very controversial. I try not get too much into the Antinatalism topic. Most likely I am against those licences. The implementation could end up in a disaster. Tbh I never thought too much about it.
I stopped being too obsessed with Antinatalism. It makes you look even more bitter. However my last crush was antinatalist. I was really surprised. I had a crush on her even before I knew that. Sadly I am too much of a freak or whatever and she rejected me.

When I think about it it makes me wonder. So many people tell antinatalists would be male losers. However this girl was pretty cute and beautiful. I think the environmental antinatalism makes the topic more mainstream which is good in my opinion.

 

[Snake of Eden]

To the topic of licence to get a child. It is very controversial. I try not get too much into the Antinatalism topic. Most likely I am against those licences. The implementation could end up in a disaster. Tbh I never thought too much about it.
I stopped being too obsessed with Antinatalism. It makes you look even more bitter. However my last crush was antinatalist. I was really surprised. I had a crush on her even before I knew that. Sadly I am too much of a freak or whatever and she rejected me.

When I think about it it makes me wonder. So many people tell antinatalists would be male losers. However this girl was pretty cute and beautiful. I think the environmental antinatalism makes the topic more mainstream which is good in my opinion.

Antinatalism has good argument. I dont think it can be practically or efficiently implemented except in voluntarily terms which means awareness and education are the best arsenals. However, I believe nature will protect itself when world population reaches to a level when it starts to make a serious threat to nature, it will figure out away to correct that.

 

[Meliæ]

Depends on your family and money