Is ctb a selfish act?

[carrie]

How many of you'll think committing to ctb is a selfish act towards the others who know and care about you?

I think one must always put themselves first and if we are so unhappy that we want to ctb it should be our choice that is about us first before others.

 

[Futile]

Absolutely not. Expecting someone to live against their will just because you would feel sad is the selfish act

 

[StringPuppet]

It's probably the least selfish thing a person can do

 

[shay23]

For me, no. A lot of people know I'm suicidal, struggle with mental health and will expect my death to happen. But they will not do anything to prevent that from happening. Why should I be forced to live when I don't even get support? From those around me and the government? People calling suicide selfish are the selfish ones, until someone is at that point no one understands how strong pain has to be to overcome your survival instincts.
Suicide is just the final result of my depression, anxiety and BPD.
So many people are pro choice about issues such as abortion but when people want to die with crippling pain, mentally or physically, they are against this.
The demonisation of the suicidal and the lack of access they have to peaceful methods just means more people are going to die in painful and violent ways. For example, the recent crack down on SN vendors just means I'm either going to jump, hang myself or use the train method.

 

[WhatIsMyLife]

Isn't it more selfish to want someone with depression to live a life of absolute misery so you don't want to feel any pain?

 

[OminousVaL]

Selfish or not its my life I have a right to do what I want with it and trying to convince me otherwise is controlling.

 

[flower]

if doing something for yourself for once is selfish, then sure. I'm not really bothered, it's selfish to expect someone to stay alive just to spare others the trauma.

 

[LostMyWill]

If you think about it, literally everything a person does is selfish, or rather, they only act upon it if it has something rewarding for themselves.

 

[BLUE1970]

It's selfish in the sense it's what you want to do but it's not selfish towards others....their desire for you to keep living regardless of pain (mental/physical) is selfish and dismissive of your plight.

 

[infinitelove]

I think it depends on circumstances and life choices made. Most people by tradition had children as a form of self extension and to also avoid being alone in life as they age. The kids are usually expected to take care of the parents when they grow old. If that ain't selfish I don't know what is. Especially when the child/ person is in agony with their own life alone- though they don't expect that to be a possibility for their child when they decide to have one, just wishful thinking on their part. To be fair, some parents do wake up later in life and sadly regret having children. My heart goes out to them. They do care about their kids and the quality of their child's life and if they could go back would choose to never have had children. A lot of parents are feeling this way in this day and age now. Half of the parents end up wanting to exit the world themselves. This is a shit reality and world to bring children into. I wish people would stop. Should have stopped long ago.

 

[BridgeJumper]

Shaming me for being suicidal and making fun of my problems that led to it is a selfish act. Thats right guys, killing yourself is wrong, its a sin! But its totally okay to kick me down and tell me my chronic illness doesnt exist and I need to get my shit together
Such seflessness, wow, I feel so supported in this world.

 

[LonelyDude15]

Idk where were these people when I was alive?

 

[Deleted member 17949]

If doing something for yourself at the cost of not being around for other people is selfish then yeah I guess it is, but it's far from an unreasonable act

 

[Lupgevif]

Everything you do to yourself for some sort of relief is selfish. Yes, you are only thinking about yourself.

But that's not wrong nor bad. You are the owner of your own body, you have the right to treat it as top priority.

 

[ecmnesia]

it's selfish, but so what? aren't we all selfish? isn't it selfish to expect someone to live, even though in pain, just so won't feel bad yourself?

 

[carrie]

Absolutely not. Expecting someone to live against their will just because you would feel sad is the selfish act

Yes and it adds a burden of sorts for the person who does want to live.

Isn't it more selfish to want someone with depression to live a life of absolute misery so you don't want to feel any pain?

It completely is. I think whether someone wants to be alive or not should be a personal choice. The means to ctb should not be so difficult to obtain.

 

[xLosthopex]

No. It's my body and my life so I get to decide what I do with it, and I don't have to justify myself to anyone.

 

[VivaldiBR]

In my opinion, depends on the case. If some people is going to be devasted and probably never move on, so is very selfish act. But im a little selfish too.

 

[Symbiote]

Everything is a selfish act. You (insert action) yourself. In a perfect world, everyone is selfless and helps each other so you never have to do anything for yourself to be considered selfish. They taught us to be selfless, and care for the common man, but never told us the common man was committed to helping back.

 

[Lordsudbury]

Nope my choice I used to think it was mean to your parents or such and such but now that I've reached the lowest point of my life it kind of reveals to you the ceiling of depths of mental hell you can get to is so strong...it makes ctb quite an easy choice

 

[Dima2]

what's the alternative? Living in agony and pain ? , better leave with dignity

 

[W’ren]

Ok so define selfish. It's doing something for yourself, right? And the problem with society is that they've made us believe that selfish equals bad and really it doesn't always.

The fact is that people are going to be upset that i've put myself out of my physical and mental anguish when i ctb. But my question is- will they be crying and sad for me? Or for themselves? Because i've reached out and told people enough times that my pain is awful and that it's affecting my mental health- and i've reached out over my lifetime to let others know that i'm spiralling... it will be no surprise. So they know my anguish they just choose not to see it or think about it.

So the answer is no, they won't be sad for me. They'll be 'selfishly' sad for themselves. And for once in my whole life i will have done something for me. I will have taken care of my needs.

That's how i see the "is suicide selfish" debate. And every time someone says to me that it's the ultimate selfish act it gets me really fired up and ticks me off... because i know they mean it in a derogatory way.

Hope that made sense?

 

[Weary Soul]

I used to think it was a selfish act. I don't anymore.

 

[Lmd]

Of course it is. Even if nobody cares about you, there are a lot of things to do with your life to help others but who cares

 

[Weary Soul]

Is it selfish when I know that I am headed for dementia/Alzheimer's?

A close friend of my family had Alzheimer's. We lived next door and he screamed incessantly when he was awake - nonstop.

Is it a selfish act for me to move on before I end up I like him?

Or is it better to save the people around me from the pain of either living with this and eventually having to make the decision to overdose me with morphine like they did him?

On edit: It is kinda moot in my case. I strongly suspect the people around me will be relieved they don't have to deal with my problems (TBI), but that is not the case for everyone.

 

[Ardesevent]

For the most part, no. It's your life, it's selfish of others to tell you what you can't and can do with it.

 

[outofluck]

I used to think like so many people above, that it wasn't selfish and was more selfish to expect me to live in this much pain so you don't have to deal with my death.

Now I think both are selfish. Suicide is selfish and so is expecting someone to live in agony. What if both are actually true?

I used to be in so much pain I thought my death wouldn't hurt anybody. I'm surrounding by malignant narcissists but honestly those people still feel pain. Even if it's only the self pity/self righteous kind. I could pretend like no one has ever cared about me and it wouldn't hurt anyone but lately I question if I've only chosen to be around those kinds of people so I never have to heal. So it wouldn't matter if I finally succeed. And there have been people who tried to love me and I just pushed them out, too painful, couldn't stand it after all the trauma of my family and life.

Suicide is selfish. So what?

 

[Midnight-rain]

All humans are inherently selfish, at least a little. It's a sticky situation because for years I wholeheartedly believed I wouldn't be missed and grieved over. I now know that (while I still don't really understand why) my parents will be hurt by it, and the few friends I have as well. Yet to sing the same tone many have already: it's selfish to expect someone to stay alive for the sake of others. It's a lose-lose scenario.

I myself wouldn't call it a selfish act however. And people should stop telling that to people who express suicidal thoughts because it doesn't fucking help. You're trying to guilt trip someone who's already down on their luck.

 

[BlackCatTalk]

Imo yeah It is, but it's necesary

 

[Marauder]

How many of you'll think committing to ctb is a selfish act towards the others who know and care about you?

I think one must always put themselves first and if we are so unhappy that we want to ctb it should be our choice that is about us first before others.

I think it is kind of selfish but I dont care at all.