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hell toupee

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Sep 9, 2024
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I know hanging is a method for a lot of people - it was my backup method should my primary method fail. I am contemplating switching my backup method from hanging to a 7-OH + alcohol OD that is used in conjunction with a 45 gallon plastic bag. According to calculations, a 45 gallon bag will allow normal breathing for 60-90 minutes before the CO2 rises to deadly levels. So the OD is simply to cause a loss of consciousness.

After what I researched, I may indeed stick with hanging, here's why.

Greater than 80% of all hangings (not including hanging as a state execution method) are partial hangings.

Here's what interested me the most - greater than 95% of all hangings, consciousness is lost immediately (5-15 seconds). Greater than 95% are really good odds. In the CTBs where consciousness was NOT lost immediately, was almost always due to the chosen rope or rope substitute - meaning it was too wide, or the head position was wrong (more on this below). You need something thin and hard. Not bedsheets, towels, or similar. If these are used, they need to be rolled up tightly.

Most celebrity hangings - Chester Bennington, Kate Spade, Robin Williams, Chris Cornell, etc. all died from partial. Robin Williams (belt) was actually in a seated position. Chester (belt) was on his knees, as well as Chris Cornell (elastic exercise band). Kate Spade used a scarf. All of these people had their feet flat on the ground.

Regarding head and rope position. In successful hangings, the rope is almost always placed at the top of the neck, just under the jaw. This is where the baroreceptors and vagus nerve on the carotid artery is located. These are what is responsible for immediate loss of consciousness.

Almost all successful hangings, which more than 80% are partial, are done with the chin pointed to the ground - this pushes out the carotids from the neck muscles and allows the ligature to positively occlude them, meaning instant loss of consciousness.

If you are unsuccessful in losing consciousness and are getting the exploding head feeling, this means only the jugulars are being compressed, blocking blood from draining out of the head. As the carotids continue to pump blood in to the head, resulting in the exploding head feeling, red spots all over your face (burst capillaries), blood shot eyes, etc. If this is the case, I would abort instantly. This exploding head feeling is telling you that the carotids are not occluded, and you would simply end up suffocating rather than losing consciousness quickly and CTB'ing peacefully.

This means either you are using too broad of a ligature (bedsheets, towels, etc), or your head is upright, or you aren't applying enough force. The partial positions where people are on their knees or similar and just "lean in to it", is most certainly not enough pressure. For myself, I would have to use partial because I am in a wheelchair, and am very limited in finding a high enough anchor point. If I go this route, I will use the partial position that results in 70-80% of your body weight being applied, which is the seated one, like you are sitting down with your butt in the air, and your legs stretched out in front of you. My heels will basically be the only thing touching the ground.
 
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peewee

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Oct 16, 2025
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your username is great :') thank you for the info, i attempted fsh today and failed to due to my si overwhelming me, but this info makes me feel more confident. I'm assuming knot goes behind the neck to keep chin toward ground? thank you for the info its reassuring
I think hanging seems like one of the best and most reliable methods if you cant get sn, and such a small amount of time spent suffering, the government cant take rope from us :,)
 
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hell toupee

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Sep 9, 2024
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your username is great :') thank you for the info, i attempted fsh today and failed to due to my si overwhelming me, but this info makes me feel more confident. I'm assuming knot goes behind the neck to keep chin toward ground? thank you for the info its reassuring
I think hanging seems like one of the best and most reliable methods if you cant get sn, and such a small amount of time spent suffering, the government cant take rope from us :,)

Yes, I was afraid I would be one of the unlucky few who didn't lose consciousness immediately and have to endure panic and struggle, however greater than 95% are really good odds.

Since I'm in the US, I'm toying with the idea of using 7-OH + alcohol + 45 gallon trash bag. 7-OH (from Kratom) is a legitimate mu opioid agonist said to be 13x more powerful than morphine. Indeed there have been a rash of ods because of it.

Suggested starting dose is 1-2mgs for an opiate naive person, and 4-6 mg for experience with a tolerance. Since it's legal and can be bought online, I can get 2 bottles totaling 1500 mg. If I fast for 24 hours beforehand, then crush up the tablets in to powder and drink with warm water while mildly intoxicated on alcohol, it would most certainly lead to loss of consciousness. And that's all I need - loss of consciousness - as soon as I feel drowsy, I will secure a 45 gallon trash bag over my head. I did some calculations and this would allow me to breathe normally for 60-90 minutes - which would give you time to fall deeper in to a semi coma.
 
AreWeWinning

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Nov 1, 2021
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Nice post, and I agree with most of what you said.

Here's what interested me the most - greater than 95% of all hangings, consciousness is lost immediately (5-15 seconds). Greater than 95% are really good odds.

Just curious, is this a statistic you've seen somewhere, or is it just a hunch?

Anyway, you're probably not far off. I would even put the odds higher if it's full suspension or partial suspension in a good position, like the legs-forward one you mentioned.

Regarding positions, I think a high kneeling position – where there isn't a danger of it turning into sitting if the rope or the knots stretch – can also be okay, and should provide enough pressure. Rather, the problem is that people can stand up involuntarily, whereas this isn't possible with the legs-forward one after the person has lost consciousness. In any case, extending the legs forward is probably one of the best positions for partial.

Almost all successful hangings, which more than 80% are partial, are done with the chin pointed to the ground

I would argue with this. In my experience, if I lower myself with enough force when testing, the way I position my head doesn't really matter. Also, I haven't seen any reports or statistics on this either.

Personal experiences vary, and if tilting the head downward is what works best for someone, there's nothing wrong with that. However, in my opinion, and from what I observe on the forum, people focus too much on head position, 'locating' their carotids, finding the perfect rope position, etc., while the real problem is almost always that they simply don't apply enough pressure. If someone doesn't apply enough pressure, no amount of adjusting will help – it won't work. Circling back to the question of positions, extending the legs forward solves this problem as well. I mean, it ensures that there is enough pressure, since the person can't ease the pressure by pushing themselves upward.

Again, nice post overall. I'm just being overly analytical.
 
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Nightfoot

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Aug 7, 2025
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I'm wondering how it was ascertained that greater than 95% of all hangings bring unconsciousness in 5-15 seconds as most people are alone when they do it and those who are successful would be unable to report on the experience afterwards. Not trying to quell your confidence in the method, I'm just not sure how that statistic could have been arrived at.
 
dreamgarden

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Oct 30, 2025
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this post is very informative and interesting to me. not to discredit what you said, but i've practiced partial with bedsheets (rolled-up, as you described) and i was able to lose consciousness and felt numb and disoriented without the head-exploding feeling. in my attempts, i did lean forward and kneel. however, i did it without hesitation and just sort of sunk to the floor without stopping. i also pre-tightened the noose as much as i could before committing to the drop. i think these factors helped me lose consciousness - doing it in one fell swoop rather than easing into it and being reluctant. everything else you detailed in your post is definitely accurate in my experience.
 
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