Discussion Interesting info I found out about Nembutal...

[hell toupee]

Some of you may already know this, but I thought this could be helpful for people who don't.

I watched a documentary last night called "How to die in Oregon" and it's about their right to die laws, which was the 1st state in the US that adopted these laws (MAID law). They are incredibly strict though - the ONLY way to get approved is if you have a terminal illness and have 6 months or less to live.

Originally, the protocol was 10 grams of Nembutal where they empty 100 capsules and mix it in 6oz of room temperature water. Drinking the powder is absorbed almost immediately - within 2-3 minutes, the patient will slip in to a coma and you are gone.

Because of the advent of much safer benzos, barbiturates are hardly ever prescribed anymore. The only remaining demand for Nembutal was right to die organizations and prisons for capital punishment. The company that owns the patent decided that they didn't like the idea of contributing to state executions, they then stopped selling to prisons which left only right to die orgs, which is a teensy tiny market and hardly worth the cost of tying up equipment and resources for small mfg runs. So they have basically stopped making it. If you are lucky enough to have a prescription, you usually have to take the script to a compounding pharmacy (it's easy to make).

So the place in Oregon then switched to Seconal, also a barbiturate. This too became extremely expensive because doctors hardly ever prescribe barbiturates anymore.

They now use a 3 drug mix. Propofol, which is the drug most often given as a general anesthetic before surgery. The problem with Propofol is it wears off in as little as 5-10 minutes. This is why they feed it via IV continuously during surgery.

The other 2 drugs was one that paralyzes all your muscles and the last one stops the heart.

California also uses this 3 drug protocol for their MAID laws.

This got me thinking. What other kinds of barbiturates might still be in use? Better yet, anything that is a central nervous system depressant is what I need.

I don't need anything that would make me ctb - I just need something that will make me pass out, and I'll have a large garbage bag over my head to insure I ctb.

By far, the most widely accessible barbiturate is butalbital. In the US, I found a pharmacy that prescribes Fioricet (butalbital) for migraines. All that's needed is a telemedicine 5 minute conversation with their doctor.

I then looked simply for drugs that are CNS depressants, this same pharmacy has Flexeril, which is a muscle relaxant that works as a CNS depressant.

Here is my plan. Get butalbital and Flexeril prescribed by said online doctor. This might be overkill but I was thinking to add 7-OH (from Kratom), which is more like oxy than Kratom. Apparently, it's 13x stronger than morphine. Indeed, a lot of people are ODing on it, so it will be outlawed soon.

My only goal is to lose consciousness. I will use a large garbage bag, which will allow me to breathe normally for 20-30 minutes so I don't get hypercapnia immediately. Crush up or empty all pills/capsules. Drink with warm water quickly. I will fast for 24 hours beforehand. Take drink, wait until I feel the drowsiness coming on, and then secure garbage bag.

Actually, the prescriptions aren't even needed. I think I'll just order 7-OH. Crush them up. Then drink alcohol to potentiate the 7-OH. Once I'm a little drunk (but not too drunk), I take the powdered 7-OH, which will make it absorb immediately. There is no question that this would make you pass out. People who aren't used to opiates might want to take an AE beforehand. Im very experience, however, and won't need it.

7-OH + alcohol + garbage bag would be no different than Nembutal. And it's a guarantee that you ctb. This is replacing my original method, which was night night, but instead of socks or corn bags, I was going to use 2 inflatable "air shims" which go on the sides of the neck and the ratchet is not tight around your airway - it's just there to insure the force of the airbags goes straight in to the carotid (like the KRA cuff and the new Kairo's Kollar from Exit Intl (not actually available yet).

I'm going to order the strongest 7-OH tablets I can find. Screw the hassle to get a prescription (and $$$).

For those that don't know, 7-OH is extracted from Kratom and is a legit opioid agonist said to be 13x stronger than morphine. In the US there have been a rash of accidental ODs. They are legal and can be easily purchased online. Remember, I don't care if it's unlikely to result in ctb, that doesn't matter. It just has to knock me out in to a semi-coma.

For those of you trying to get Nembutal on the DW, you can pretty much assume it's a scam. Plus, even a valid prescription can be thousands of dollars. If I knew how to use the DW, I would just get propofol and employ the plastic bag.

 

[petmom]

Thank you for sharing And well wishes. I hope you're alright and at peace no matter the outcome

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Some of you may already know this, but I thought this could be helpful for people who don't.

I watched a documentary last night called "How to die in Oregon" and it's about their right to die laws, which was the 1st state in the US that adopted these laws (MAID law). They are incredibly strict though - the ONLY way to get approved is if you have a terminal illness and have 6 months or less to live.

Originally, the protocol was 10 grams of Nembutal where they empty 100 capsules and mix it in 6oz of room temperature water. Drinking the powder is absorbed almost immediately - within 2-3 minutes, the patient will slip in to a coma and you are gone.

Because of the advent of much safer benzos, barbiturates are hardly ever prescribed anymore. The only remaining demand for Nembutal was right to die organizations and prisons for capital punishment. The company that owns the patent decided that they didn't like the idea of contributing to state executions, they then stopped selling to prisons which left only right to die orgs, which is a teensy tiny market and hardly worth the cost of tying up equipment and resources for small mfg runs. So they have basically stopped making it. If you are lucky enough to have a prescription, you usually have to take the script to a compounding pharmacy (it's easy to make).

So the place in Oregon then switched to Seconal, also a barbiturate. This too became extremely expensive because doctors hardly ever prescribe barbiturates anymore.

They now use a 3 drug mix. Propofol, which is the drug most often given as a general anesthetic before surgery. The problem with Propofol is it wears off in as little as 5-10 minutes. This is why they feed it via IV continuously during surgery.

The other 2 drugs was one that paralyzes all your muscles and the last one stops the heart.

California also uses this 3 drug protocol for their MAID laws.

This got me thinking. What other kinds of barbiturates might still be in use? Better yet, anything that is a central nervous system depressant is what I need.

I don't need anything that would make me ctb - I just need something that will make me pass out, and I'll have a large garbage bag over my head to insure I ctb.

By far, the most widely accessible barbiturate is butalbital. In the US, I found a pharmacy that prescribes Fioricet (butalbital) for migraines. All that's needed is a telemedicine 5 minute conversation with their doctor.

I then looked simply for drugs that are CNS depressants, this same pharmacy has Flexeril, which is a muscle relaxant that works as a CNS depressant.

Here is my plan. Get butalbital and Flexeril prescribed by said online doctor. This might be overkill but I was thinking to add 7-OH (from Kratom), which is more like oxy than Kratom. Apparently, it's 13x stronger than morphine. Indeed, a lot of people are ODing on it, so it will be outlawed soon.

My only goal is to lose consciousness. I will use a large garbage bag, which will allow me to breathe normally for 20-30 minutes so I don't get hypercapnia immediately. Crush up or empty all pills/capsules. Drink with warm water quickly. I will fast for 24 hours beforehand. Take drink, wait until I feel the drowsiness coming on, and then secure garbage bag.

Actually, the prescriptions aren't even needed. I think I'll just order 7-OH. Crush them up. Then drink alcohol to potentiate the 7-OH. Once I'm a little drunk (but not too drunk), I take the powdered 7-OH, which will make it absorb immediately. There is no question that this would make you pass out. People who aren't used to opiates might want to take an AE beforehand. Im very experience, however, and won't need it.

7-OH + alcohol + garbage bag would be no different than Nembutal. And it's a guarantee that you ctb. This is replacing my original method, which was night night, but instead of socks or corn bags, I was going to use 2 inflatable "air shims" which go on the sides of the neck and the ratchet is not tight around your airway - it's just there to insure the force of the airbags goes straight in to the carotid (like the KRA cuff and the new Kairo's Kollar from Exit Intl (not actually available yet).

I'm going to order the strongest 7-OH tablets I can find. Screw the hassle to get a prescription (and $$$).

For those that don't know, 7-OH is extracted from Kratom and is a legit opioid agonist said to be 13x stronger than morphine. In the US there have been a rash of accidental ODs. They are legal and can be easily purchased online. Remember, I don't care if it's unlikely to result in ctb, that doesn't matter. It just has to knock me out in to a semi-coma.

For those of you trying to get Nembutal on the DW, you can pretty much assume it's a scam. Plus, even a valid prescription can be thousands of dollars. If I knew how to use the DW, I would just get propofol and employ the plastic bag.

Can u say What pharmacy here or in pm

So anyone can get butalbibutal etc with a telemedicine 5 minute conversation with their doctor.?

I also found a very good imo equipment that would work for a plastic bag method. I can discuss this with anyone in pm

 

[orbwithinorb]

Can u say What pharmacy here or in pm

So anyone can get butalbibutal etc with a telemedicine 5 minute conversation with their doctor.?

I looked up the medication they mentioned that contains it "Fioricet" and it also contains acetaminophen so it's not an option. I also looked up Flexeril and it's not an option for OD, takes too high of a dose to do the job.

 

[unluckysadness]

Very interesting

 

[android]

Why go through all these efforts when there is SN? Would your method be more peaceful like N is purported to be?

 

[TheCavernousDeep.]

I've used 7OH before and I don't think it will be very effective for this purpose. 7OH really isn't that effective as a respiratory depressant, or a depressant in general. I guess I've only ever done sane doses, but I've done 60mg with Alcohol and I didn't feel any "sleepier" then just normal alcohol. It's very interesting to describe but the depressant effect of 7OH is pretty minimal.

If you look into the pharmacology of 7OH, you'll find that 7OH has limited beta-arrestin signaling, which is the signaling pathway associated with respiratory depression. And the 14x more potent then morphine just means that it's 14x more effective at reducing the twitching of the tails of injured mice. Doesn't mean it's 14x easier to OD on. (Also for a fair warning: the nausea on this shit is also kinda wild.) there are even some studies showing that it has a ceiling effect where a necessarily higher dose doesn't cause greater effects. Most of the deaths from OD are a result of mixing 7OH with other drugs like Benzos.

Lastly, Propofol is available on some parts of the clearnet. The issue is that self administering an IV is no joke (though if you already have experience fixing I guess it's not that different to set an IV Catheter), and if you miss the vein with propofol, that's really bad. Intramuscular injections or propofol can cause necrotizing fasciitis if untreated (the streets of Philadelphia are filled with homeless people missing limbs from accidentally injecting Xylazine intramuscular).

anyways best of luck with whatever you choose, but I'm broadly very skeptical of 7OH as a lethal OD pathway. Even for just knocking you out, I feel like it won't be that effective. You'll need something to knock you out so hard that your CO2 drive is suppressed enough that you don't wake up in the trash bag. I just don't think 7OH is capable of that.

 

[hell toupee]

I've used 7OH before and I don't think it will be very effective for this purpose. 7OH really isn't that effective as a respiratory depressant, or a depressant in general. I guess I've only ever done sane doses, but I've done 60mg with Alcohol and I didn't feel any "sleepier" then just normal alcohol. It's very interesting to describe but the depressant effect of 7OH is pretty minimal.

If you look into the pharmacology of 7OH, you'll find that 7OH has limited beta-arrestin signaling, which is the signaling pathway associated with respiratory depression. And the 14x more potent then morphine just means that it's 14x more effective at reducing the twitching of the tails of injured mice. Doesn't mean it's 14x easier to OD on. (Also for a fair warning: the nausea on this shit is also kinda wild.) there are even some studies showing that it has a ceiling effect where a necessarily higher dose doesn't cause greater effects. Most of the deaths from OD are a result of mixing 7OH with other drugs like Benzos.

Lastly, Propofol is available on some parts of the clearnet. The issue is that self administering an IV is no joke (though if you already have experience fixing I guess it's not that different to set an IV Catheter), and if you miss the vein with propofol, that's really bad. Intramuscular injections or propofol can cause necrotizing fasciitis if untreated (the streets of Philadelphia are filled with homeless people missing limbs from accidentally injecting Xylazine intramuscular).

anyways best of luck with whatever you choose, but I'm broadly very skeptical of 7OH as a lethal OD pathway. Even for just knocking you out, I feel like it won't be that effective. You'll need something to knock you out so hard that your CO2 drive is suppressed enough that you don't wake up in the trash bag. I just don't think 7OH is capable of that.

Thanks for the info. I have since ditched the 7-OH idea, as it was made illegal in the state I live so I have no way to obtain it.

I did find a legit source for propofol and thiopental, however (not the dark web). And while I was keen on using propofol to induce loss of consciousness, I am well aware of the problems of a) not being able to actually inject enough before you lose consciousness, and b) that following cessation of propofol, consciousness can be regained in just a few minutes. My idea was not to use propofol to ctb, it was simply to induce LOC. I was going to either stand on a stool with a noose around my neck, make a venuous injection of propofol, lose consciousness and drop in to full suspension. Or, the plan was to possibly induce LOC with a clear plastic bag over my head, the idea being that I suffocate before regaining consciousness.

Thinking about it more and more, I have decided not to use propofol because of the technical variables and the fact that loc is so short lived. I obviously do not have the expertise to set up a cannula and infusion kit, etc. for propofol.

I may, or may not be here once the thiopental arrives, as this is not my primary method - none of these were - they were just theoretical backup methods should my primary method fail. Whatever method I decide to use, I will employ a plastic bag for insurance, as I have to be one and done.

Why go through all these efforts when there is SN? Would your method be more peaceful like N is purported to be?

Because SN, and the way it works, would not be right for me. I cannot have something where I have to sit around waiting for it to work. I would be overly concerned I would vomit, and I don't have access to ae's. A friend of mine who I had met here, and helped me develop my primary method, took 4g of SN a few weeks ago. I thought this was an extremely low amount, however he said that people taking 20-25g was overkill and just promote vomiting. He did have a backup drink of 2g SN, and I have no idea if it was needed or not. I was communicating with him all the way up to when he told me he had just drank the 4g of SN. I have not heard from him since.

Plus, the only places I know of to source SN is all sold in bulk. So it's just not something for me.

My primary method I would consider just as peaceful as N, yes. It involves occluding the carotid arteries with a few small inflatable air bladders that are placed on the sides of the neck. Bags inflate, consciousness is lost within 5-10 seconds, and you're gone. No pressure on the airways whatsoever. As I stated above, this will be done with a plastic bag over my head so survival is 0%. Suffocation, however, will only occur after I have lost consciousness though from cerebral hypoxia. And no reflexive response, such as hypercapnia, is possible when the brain lacks both oxygen and glucose.

 

[android]

Thanks for the info. I have since ditched the 7-OH idea, as it was made illegal in the state I live so I have no way to obtain it.

I did find a legit source for propofol and thiopental, however (not the dark web). And while I was keen on using propofol to induce loss of consciousness, I am well aware of the problems of a) not being able to actually inject enough before you lose consciousness, and b) that following cessation of propofol, consciousness can be regained in just a few minutes. My idea was not to use propofol to ctb, it was simply to induce LOC. I was going to either stand on a stool with a noose around my neck, make a venuous injection of propofol, lose consciousness and drop in to full suspension. Or, the plan was to possibly induce LOC with a clear plastic bag over my head, the idea being that I suffocate before regaining consciousness.

Thinking about it more and more, I have decided not to use propofol because of the technical variables and the fact that loc is so short lived. I obviously do not have the expertise to set up a cannula and infusion kit, etc. for propofol.

I may, or may not be here once the thiopental arrives, as this is not my primary method - none of these were - they were just theoretical backup methods should my primary method fail. Whatever method I decide to use, I will employ a plastic bag for insurance, as I have to be one and done.



Because SN, and the way it works, would not be right for me. I cannot have something where I have to sit around waiting for it to work. I would be overly concerned I would vomit, and I don't have access to ae's. A friend of mine who I had met here, and helped me develop my primary method, took 4g of SN a few weeks ago. I thought this was an extremely low amount, however he said that people taking 20-25g was overkill and just promote vomiting. He did have a backup drink of 2g SN, and I have no idea if it was needed or not. I was communicating with him all the way up to when he told me he had just drank the 4g of SN. I have not heard from him since.

Plus, the only places I know of to source SN is all sold in bulk. So it's just not something for me.

My primary method I would consider just as peaceful as N, yes. It involves occluding the carotid arteries with a few small inflatable air bladders that are placed on the sides of the neck. Bags inflate, consciousness is lost within 5-10 seconds, and you're gone. No pressure on the airways whatsoever. As I stated above, this will be done with a plastic bag over my head so survival is 0%. Suffocation, however, will only occur after I have lost consciousness though from cerebral hypoxia. And no reflexive response, such as hypercapnia, is possible when the brain lacks both oxygen and glucose.

Thanks for the information, and may you find the peace that you are after.

 

[Alice563]

Some of you may already know this, but I thought this could be helpful for people who don't.

I watched a documentary last night called "How to die in Oregon" and it's about their right to die laws, which was the 1st state in the US that adopted these laws (MAID law). They are incredibly strict though - the ONLY way to get approved is if you have a terminal illness and have 6 months or less to live.

Originally, the protocol was 10 grams of Nembutal where they empty 100 capsules and mix it in 6oz of room temperature water. Drinking the powder is absorbed almost immediately - within 2-3 minutes, the patient will slip in to a coma and you are gone.

Because of the advent of much safer benzos, barbiturates are hardly ever prescribed anymore. The only remaining demand for Nembutal was right to die organizations and prisons for capital punishment. The company that owns the patent decided that they didn't like the idea of contributing to state executions, they then stopped selling to prisons which left only right to die orgs, which is a teensy tiny market and hardly worth the cost of tying up equipment and resources for small mfg runs. So they have basically stopped making it. If you are lucky enough to have a prescription, you usually have to take the script to a compounding pharmacy (it's easy to make).

So the place in Oregon then switched to Seconal, also a barbiturate. This too became extremely expensive because doctors hardly ever prescribe barbiturates anymore.

They now use a 3 drug mix. Propofol, which is the drug most often given as a general anesthetic before surgery. The problem with Propofol is it wears off in as little as 5-10 minutes. This is why they feed it via IV continuously during surgery.

The other 2 drugs was one that paralyzes all your muscles and the last one stops the heart.

California also uses this 3 drug protocol for their MAID laws.

This got me thinking. What other kinds of barbiturates might still be in use? Better yet, anything that is a central nervous system depressant is what I need.

I don't need anything that would make me ctb - I just need something that will make me pass out, and I'll have a large garbage bag over my head to insure I ctb.

By far, the most widely accessible barbiturate is butalbital. In the US, I found a pharmacy that prescribes Fioricet (butalbital) for migraines. All that's needed is a telemedicine 5 minute conversation with their doctor.

I then looked simply for drugs that are CNS depressants, this same pharmacy has Flexeril, which is a muscle relaxant that works as a CNS depressant.

Here is my plan. Get butalbital and Flexeril prescribed by said online doctor. This might be overkill but I was thinking to add 7-OH (from Kratom), which is more like oxy than Kratom. Apparently, it's 13x stronger than morphine. Indeed, a lot of people are ODing on it, so it will be outlawed soon.

My only goal is to lose consciousness. I will use a large garbage bag, which will allow me to breathe normally for 20-30 minutes so I don't get hypercapnia immediately. Crush up or empty all pills/capsules. Drink with warm water quickly. I will fast for 24 hours beforehand. Take drink, wait until I feel the drowsiness coming on, and then secure garbage bag.

Actually, the prescriptions aren't even needed. I think I'll just order 7-OH. Crush them up. Then drink alcohol to potentiate the 7-OH. Once I'm a little drunk (but not too drunk), I take the powdered 7-OH, which will make it absorb immediately. There is no question that this would make you pass out. People who aren't used to opiates might want to take an AE beforehand. Im very experience, however, and won't need it.

7-OH + alcohol + garbage bag would be no different than Nembutal. And it's a guarantee that you ctb. This is replacing my original method, which was night night, but instead of socks or corn bags, I was going to use 2 inflatable "air shims" which go on the sides of the neck and the ratchet is not tight around your airway - it's just there to insure the force of the airbags goes straight in to the carotid (like the KRA cuff and the new Kairo's Kollar from Exit Intl (not actually available yet).

I'm going to order the strongest 7-OH tablets I can find. Screw the hassle to get a prescription (and $$$).

For those that don't know, 7-OH is extracted from Kratom and is a legit opioid agonist said to be 13x stronger than morphine. In the US there have been a rash of accidental ODs. They are legal and can be easily purchased online. Remember, I don't care if it's unlikely to result in ctb, that doesn't matter. It just has to knock me out in to a semi-coma.

For those of you trying to get Nembutal on the DW, you can pretty much assume it's a scam. Plus, even a valid prescription can be thousands of dollars. If I knew how to use the DW, I would just get propofol and employ the plastic bag.

Hi. What is AE?