Venting incels are scum

[LittleSunshine]

have you seen a tv and maybe heard of a crime rate in.. forever? the rampage already exists, with a clear winner.

Congratulations! You're officially the first one headed to the island.

 

[sanctionedusage]

Congratulations! You're officially the first one headed to the island.

gender-hater for acknowledging statistics lololol

 

[piercedheart]

The way I see it, they suffer for their dumb delusions daily, so fuck em. <3

Not literally of course, they're losers after all.

 

[LittleSunshine]

gender-hater for acknowledging statistics lololol

Are you referencing those incomplete and methodologically biased statistics that inadequately reflect empirical reality? lololol

 

[sanctionedusage]

Are you referencing those incomplete and methodologically biased statistics that inadequately reflect empirical reality? lololol

sry i forgot the only complete and methodologically unbiased stats are the ones that agree with your opinion :( you know youve lost all hope in an argument when you have to start calling the facts 'fake' instead of bringing up legitimate ones yourself, since they don't exist. im glad youve found your place on this site

 

[coolgal82]

The way I see it, they suffer for their dumb delusions daily, so fuck em. <3

Not literally of course, they're losers after all.

yeah but some also take it out on others so theyre not judt like harmless losers idk

 

[LittleSunshine]

"femcel", "incel" and "foids"

Why are we creating more and more and more insults? Why hate either gender when both are natural and beautiful in their own ways?
One side behaves like shit, so does the other.

But I cant be talking I guess, flamed too many people in games to preach about love.

Thank you for being such a sensible, thoughtful person!

sry i forgot the only complete and methodologically unbiased stats are the ones that agree with your opinion :( you know youve lost all hope in an argument when you have to start calling the facts 'fake' instead of bringing up legitimate ones yourself, since they don't exist. im glad youve found your place on this site

When people make a discussion personal, it is often a sign that they are losing the argument on merit and are switching to emotional, ego-driven tactics to gain control. This behavior frequently occurs when facts are weak or when the opponent feels cornered.

Oh, it's strange that you're "glad" I've found my place here on this site. Personally, I think it's especially sad for you, and everyone else, of course, that they end up here. There are better places right? But that really says it all... You're full of hatred, I get it.

Meanwhile, I'll keep fantasizing about my island!

 

[piercedheart]

yeah but some also take it out on others so theyre not judt like harmless losers idk

People like that will always find an excuse sadly.

 

[sanctionedusage]

Oh, it's strange that you're "glad" I've found my place here on this site. Personally, I think it's especially sad for you, and everyone else, of course, that they end up here. There are better places right? But that really says it all... You're full of hatred, I get it.

Meanwhile, I'll keep fantasizing about my island!

you havent responded to a single point with anything besides trying to mirror me to try to win at passive aggression. but yeah, im so full of hatred that instead of envisioning a group of people fighting to death, i promote facing reality despite sensitive feelings & working on concrete issues without reaching for a victim card.

 

[LittleSunshine]

you havent responded to a single point with anything besides trying to mirror me to try to win at passive aggression. but yeah, im so full of hatred that instead of envisioning a group of people fighting to death, i promote facing reality despite sensitive feelings & working on concrete issues without reaching for a victim card.

There isn't a single globally official number for how many men don't report domestic violence by a female partner (or violence in general) — but multiple research studies and surveys illustrate that under‑reporting by male victims is very high across contexts:

What research tells us about non‑reporting by men
In a large survey from England and Wales, about 79 % of victims of domestic violence (including men and women) did not report their partner or ex‑partner to the police. Of the ~1.9 million people who said they had experienced partner violence, roughly 713 000 were men, and most of them did not report it to law enforcement.

Historical victimization research (Australian, U.K., Irish and other national surveys) shows men tend to report to police much less often than women — often only 3–10 % of male victims report to authorities, compared with higher proportions of female victims in the same surveys. For example, one study found only about 10 % of male victims reported partner violence, versus 27 % of women.

Another UK‑focused analysis estimated that based on survey rates vs. police reports, over 500 000 male victims of domestic abuse did not report it to the police in 2024.

Why reporting is low for male victims
Researchers point to a few recurring themes behind low reporting rates among men:
Social stigma — embarrassment, fear of not being believed, and norms about masculinity discourage reporting.

Perceptions of bias — some male victims feel police and support services don't take their reports seriously.

Measurement challenges — some surveys indicate many more experiences of violence than official police statistics capture, implying a large "dark figure" of unreported cases.

Summary
So while you can't point to a single global percentage that covers "all men everywhere," the evidence from multiple national surveys suggests:

A majority of male victims of intimate partner violence do not report to police — often 70–90 % in some estimates.

In specific analyses (e.g., England & Wales), only about ~10–21 % of male victims report partner violence, meaning 79–90 % remain unreported.

Depending on the country and method, this can translate into hundreds of thousands of male cases annually that are never officially reported.

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Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course. But then it all becomes far too long for this thread, and you're probably not open to it anyway. As I said, the "statistics" or incomplete and methodologically biased, and they inadequately reflect empirical reality. The numbers we see in studies and official reports are heavily shaped by methodological limitations, biases, and social factors, and they almost certainly understate the true prevalence of male victimization.

End of discussion.

 

[coolgal82]

There isn't a single globally official number for how many men don't report domestic violence by a female partner (or violence in general) — but multiple research studies and surveys illustrate that under‑reporting by male victims is very high across contexts:

What research tells us about non‑reporting by men
In a large survey from England and Wales, about 79 % of victims of domestic violence (including men and women) did not report their partner or ex‑partner to the police. Of the ~1.9 million people who said they had experienced partner violence, roughly 713 000 were men, and most of them did not report it to law enforcement.

Historical victimization research (Australian, U.K., Irish and other national surveys) shows men tend to report to police much less often than women — often only 3–10 % of male victims report to authorities, compared with higher proportions of female victims in the same surveys. For example, one study found only about 10 % of male victims reported partner violence, versus 27 % of women.

Another UK‑focused analysis estimated that based on survey rates vs. police reports, over 500 000 male victims of domestic abuse did not report it to the police in 2024.

Why reporting is low for male victims
Researchers point to a few recurring themes behind low reporting rates among men:
Social stigma — embarrassment, fear of not being believed, and norms about masculinity discourage reporting.

Perceptions of bias — some male victims feel police and support services don't take their reports seriously.

Measurement challenges — some surveys indicate many more experiences of violence than official police statistics capture, implying a large "dark figure" of unreported cases.

Summary
So while you can't point to a single global percentage that covers "all men everywhere," the evidence from multiple national surveys suggests:

A majority of male victims of intimate partner violence do not report to police — often 70–90 % in some estimates.

In specific analyses (e.g., England & Wales), only about ~10–21 % of male victims report partner violence, meaning 79–90 % remain unreported.

Depending on the country and method, this can translate into hundreds of thousands of male cases annually that are never officially reported.

️
Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course. But then it all becomes far too long for this thread, and you're probably not open to it anyway. As I said, the "statistics" or incomplete and methodologically biased, and they inadequately reflect empirical reality. The numbers we see in studies and official reports are heavily shaped by methodological limitations, biases, and social factors, and they almost certainly understate the true prevalence of male victimization.

End of discussion.

using chstgpt as a source fucking lmao
also most of the stigma against male victims comes from other men anyway and is a direct redult of the patriarchy so

 

[LittleSunshine]

using chstgpt as a source fucking lmao
also most of the stigma against male victims comes from other men anyway and is a direct redult of the patriarchy so

 

[coolgal82]

lmao no argument

 

[iamanavalanche]

There isn't a single globally official number for how many men don't report domestic violence by a female partner (or violence in general) — but multiple research studies and surveys illustrate that under‑reporting by male victims is very high across contexts:

What research tells us about non‑reporting by men
In a large survey from England and Wales, about 79 % of victims of domestic violence (including men and women) did not report their partner or ex‑partner to the police. Of the ~1.9 million people who said they had experienced partner violence, roughly 713 000 were men, and most of them did not report it to law enforcement.

Historical victimization research (Australian, U.K., Irish and other national surveys) shows men tend to report to police much less often than women — often only 3–10 % of male victims report to authorities, compared with higher proportions of female victims in the same surveys. For example, one study found only about 10 % of male victims reported partner violence, versus 27 % of women.

Another UK‑focused analysis estimated that based on survey rates vs. police reports, over 500 000 male victims of domestic abuse did not report it to the police in 2024.

Why reporting is low for male victims
Researchers point to a few recurring themes behind low reporting rates among men:
Social stigma — embarrassment, fear of not being believed, and norms about masculinity discourage reporting.

Perceptions of bias — some male victims feel police and support services don't take their reports seriously.

Measurement challenges — some surveys indicate many more experiences of violence than official police statistics capture, implying a large "dark figure" of unreported cases.

Summary
So while you can't point to a single global percentage that covers "all men everywhere," the evidence from multiple national surveys suggests:

A majority of male victims of intimate partner violence do not report to police — often 70–90 % in some estimates.

In specific analyses (e.g., England & Wales), only about ~10–21 % of male victims report partner violence, meaning 79–90 % remain unreported.

Depending on the country and method, this can translate into hundreds of thousands of male cases annually that are never officially reported.

️
Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course. But then it all becomes far too long for this thread, and you're probably not open to it anyway. As I said, the "statistics" or incomplete and methodologically biased, and they inadequately reflect empirical reality. The numbers we see in studies and official reports are heavily shaped by methodological limitations, biases, and social factors, and they almost certainly understate the true prevalence of male victimization.

End of discussion.

the use of chatgpt proves your lack of real understanding

 

[sanctionedusage]

There isn't a single globally official number for how many men don't report domestic violence by a female partner (or violence in general) — but multiple research studies and surveys illustrate that under‑reporting by male victims is very high across contexts:

What research tells us about non‑reporting by men
In a large survey from England and Wales, about 79 % of victims of domestic violence (including men and women) did not report their partner or ex‑partner to the police. Of the ~1.9 million people who said they had experienced partner violence, roughly 713 000 were men, and most of them did not report it to law enforcement.

Historical victimization research (Australian, U.K., Irish and other national surveys) shows men tend to report to police much less often than women — often only 3–10 % of male victims report to authorities, compared with higher proportions of female victims in the same surveys. For example, one study found only about 10 % of male victims reported partner violence, versus 27 % of women.

Another UK‑focused analysis estimated that based on survey rates vs. police reports, over 500 000 male victims of domestic abuse did not report it to the police in 2024.

Why reporting is low for male victims
Researchers point to a few recurring themes behind low reporting rates among men:
Social stigma — embarrassment, fear of not being believed, and norms about masculinity discourage reporting.

Perceptions of bias — some male victims feel police and support services don't take their reports seriously.

Measurement challenges — some surveys indicate many more experiences of violence than official police statistics capture, implying a large "dark figure" of unreported cases.

Summary
So while you can't point to a single global percentage that covers "all men everywhere," the evidence from multiple national surveys suggests:

A majority of male victims of intimate partner violence do not report to police — often 70–90 % in some estimates.

In specific analyses (e.g., England & Wales), only about ~10–21 % of male victims report partner violence, meaning 79–90 % remain unreported.

Depending on the country and method, this can translate into hundreds of thousands of male cases annually that are never officially reported.

️
Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course. But then it all becomes far too long for this thread, and you're probably not open to it anyway. As I said, the "statistics" or incomplete and methodologically biased, and they inadequately reflect empirical reality. The numbers we see in studies and official reports are heavily shaped by methodological limitations, biases, and social factors, and they almost certainly understate the true prevalence of male victimization.

End of discussion.

chatgpt is not a source, lazy lil fuck, and secondly, you're taking the narrowest scenario of domestic violence which i deliberately excluded from my description of the consequences of misogyny. i mentioned androcide and the politicism of female healthcare for a reason; massive scale and systemic integration of a male-on-female power system. this is like saying men are inherently oppressed due to the high male suicide rate— it's a male problem that needs to be addressed, but it's not from any oppression by women. if anything, it's actually a direct result of the patriarchy and the oppression from OTHER men. you can argue about whether women or men impose more of the standards of toxic masculinity day-to-day, but you cannot deny that the standards themselves originated from a patriarchal history: men in power would encourage other men to adopt a similar ideal of dominance, strength, and stoicism over anything else, at all costs. not only did this benefit their status and role, but also helped to weaponize these standards against young boys and men in scenarios like war. to fight, kill, and ultimately die senselessly was (and is) seen as the role of an honorable man. this is basically global. another example: most victims of physical assault are male. again, this doesn't sustain anything about the relations between male and female in society being balanced, considering that in nearly all cases, the perpetrator is male. a man is ridiculously more likely to be murdered by another man than a woman. this is male on male violence, occurring at a far higher rate than, say, female on female violence, or female on male violence. how can you confidently say that the source of man's problems occur from "gender-haters" and not the exact same source as female problems— patriarchal ruling and enforcers? all that said, i don't expect you to do anything with these counterpoints that don't involve plugging them into gen ai to do your rationalizing for you.

 

[LittleSunshine]

the use of chatgpt proves your lack of real understanding

Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course.

Nitpicking, no added value to the discussion. Just your opinion...

 

[iamanavalanche]

Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course.

Nitpicking, no added value to the discussion. Just your opinion...

if you say so have fun looking like an idiot lolol

 

[coolgal82]

Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course.

Nitpicking, no added value to the discussion. Just your opinion...

do it then

 

[LittleSunshine]

men in power would encourage other men to adopt a similar ideal of dominance, strength, and stoicism over anything else, at all costs.

This is historically plausible in many contexts, but stating it as universal without exceptions or nuance risks overgeneralization. Some societies or groups may not have strictly followed this pattern.
You move between individual oppression, systemic oppression, and historical/patriarchal structures. While they are related, they are not identical. "you cannot deny that the standards themselves originated from a patriarchal history", that's mostly true, but later you critique "gender-haters" as a separate factor. There's a subtle conflation: you treat patriarchy as an explanation for men's issues, but it's also an explanation for women's issues, yet you don't fully unpack the differences.

You cite male-on-male violence and suicide as evidence of patriarchy harming men. This is valid, but: The same argument could be countered that patriarchy also harms women, which you do acknowledge but sometimes dismiss quickly.
You use examples like androcide and female healthcare politics, but without quantitative backing, it could appear selective.

"how can you confidently say that the source of man's problems occur from 'gender-haters'. You're assuming that all "gender-haters" are distinct from patriarchy or systemic oppression. Some might argue misogyny itself is an aspect of the patriarchal system, so separating the two isn't straightforward.
Similarly, assuming that systemic patriarchy is entirely male-on-male enforced is largely correct historically, but it simplifies gender dynamics in contemporary contexts, women can reinforce patriarchal norms.
I do acknowledge the you have deep knowledge of historical and sociological patterns (patriarchy, toxic masculinity, systemic oppression). Recognizes both male and female experiences under systemic oppression, and attempts to situate male problems in the same systemic framework as female problems. But your overgeneralization/absolutism in some claims.

You have yet to provide any statistical evidence; so far, only insulting, personal observations, opinions and even aggressive behavior yourself. I'm closing the discussion to avoid the conversation getting further out of hand with the possibility that the thread will be closed. It seems we won't reach an agreement. Take care!

 

[sanctionedusage]

This is historically plausible in many contexts, but stating it as universal without exceptions or nuance risks overgeneralization. Some societies or groups may not have strictly followed this pattern.

i usually assume the person i'm talking to is smart enough to not need the explicit disclaimer after every single claim; the double standard is real though, since you chose to take a thread about an extremely niche, small population of males, i.e. incels, as an attack on an entire gender. i don't think you care about overgeneralization, and you're definitely nitpicking as a last resort to avoid admitting that the patriarchy actually harms everyone.

You move between individual oppression, systemic oppression, and historical/patriarchal structures. While they are related, they are not identical. "you cannot deny that the standards themselves originated from a patriarchal history", that's mostly true, but later you critique "gender-haters" as a separate factor. There's a subtle conflation: you treat patriarchy as an explanation for men's issues, but it's also an explanation for women's issues, yet you don't fully unpack the differences.

never said they were identical; this first sentence is obviously gpt while you're trying desperately to get it to nitpick my argument for you. this is literally wordslop. i did not critique gender-haters; you did, and i was quoting you. the ai doesn't know this lmfao and confuses it as part of my argument. youre genuinely shameless.

You have yet to provide any statistical evidence; so far, only insulting, personal observations, opinions and even aggressive behavior yourself. I'm closing the discussion to avoid the conversation getting further out of hand with the possibility that the thread will be closed. It seems we won't reach an agreement. Take care!

"aggressive," coming from the person trying to virtue signal while maintaining that they fantasize about groups of people killing each other on an island over a disagreement you fundamentally misunderstand. you cited no sources either, only using generative ai from the lowest tiers to craft up a biased argument for you using a selective demographic that has no relevance to the systemic oppression that differentiates misogyny from misandry. you've 'closed the discussion' twice lol, but you love coming back to have the last word. have fun stroking your ego for the rest of the night.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

There isn't a single globally official number for how many men don't report domestic violence by a female partner (or violence in general) — but multiple research studies and surveys illustrate that under‑reporting by male victims is very high across contexts:

What research tells us about non‑reporting by men
In a large survey from England and Wales, about 79 % of victims of domestic violence (including men and women) did not report their partner or ex‑partner to the police. Of the ~1.9 million people who said they had experienced partner violence, roughly 713 000 were men, and most of them did not report it to law enforcement.

Historical victimization research (Australian, U.K., Irish and other national surveys) shows men tend to report to police much less often than women — often only 3–10 % of male victims report to authorities, compared with higher proportions of female victims in the same surveys. For example, one study found only about 10 % of male victims reported partner violence, versus 27 % of women.

Another UK‑focused analysis estimated that based on survey rates vs. police reports, over 500 000 male victims of domestic abuse did not report it to the police in 2024.

Why reporting is low for male victims
Researchers point to a few recurring themes behind low reporting rates among men:
Social stigma — embarrassment, fear of not being believed, and norms about masculinity discourage reporting.

Perceptions of bias — some male victims feel police and support services don't take their reports seriously.

Measurement challenges — some surveys indicate many more experiences of violence than official police statistics capture, implying a large "dark figure" of unreported cases.

Summary
So while you can't point to a single global percentage that covers "all men everywhere," the evidence from multiple national surveys suggests:

A majority of male victims of intimate partner violence do not report to police — often 70–90 % in some estimates.

In specific analyses (e.g., England & Wales), only about ~10–21 % of male victims report partner violence, meaning 79–90 % remain unreported.

Depending on the country and method, this can translate into hundreds of thousands of male cases annually that are never officially reported.

️
Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course. But then it all becomes far too long for this thread, and you're probably not open to it anyway. As I said, the "statistics" or incomplete and methodologically biased, and they inadequately reflect empirical reality. The numbers we see in studies and official reports are heavily shaped by methodological limitations, biases, and social factors, and they almost certainly understate the true prevalence of male victimization.

End of discussion.

There is a male in my life, who I have personally witnessed being the victim of severe and consistent domestic abuse for over 20 years. It is mostly psychological abuse (with some physical occasionally thrown in) They are basically powerless to fight back, because they have a slight learning disability and the female abuser controls everything including finances and frequently threatens complete financial ruin on them if they ever try to leave. (among other rather scary threats) People don't seem to understand how much female abuse can be hidden, because it can be much less obvious to the outside world. Most of this abuse takes place behind closed doors and so there is really no evidence to build a case. And because this man has been conditioned that men should just be tough and endure everything... they really have no ability to take control of their situation and get out of this abusive relationship. It's really very sad and actually is one of the things that gets me down in this life the most. They are a kind and decent person too, but completely stuck with no way out.

The abuser is actually a feminist too, and has frequently talked about how men are useless and women are much more valuable in society too...

 

[Wishingforadream]

Fast source Chatgpt, I could give you multiple sources of course.

Nitpicking, no added value to the discussion. Just your opinion...

You could have had ChatGPT provide actual sources to back up your claims. Seriously it would have only taken a few minutes.

But instead of doing that and briefly checking the sources provided, you instead continue arguing without actually backing up your argument at all.

 

[Holu]

Did all the incels get banned? I come back pretty infrequently but used to be a time where there was genuinely a 50/50 split in these discussions. I'd always miss the arguments but they very much would be there whenever I looked at one of these posts.

Welp good riddance if that's the case. One of the dumbest ideological movements ever up there with the alpha male bullshit.

 

[LittleSunshine]

You could have had ChatGPT provide actual sources to back up your claims. Seriously it would have only taken a few minutes.

But instead of doing that and briefly checking the sources provided, you instead continue arguing without actually backing up your argument at all.

I've made my point, and I stand by it. Engaging in counterarguments on this topic feels futile from the outset. No matter how much evidence or reasoning is presented, the opposing side appears firmly entrenched in its convictions, without providing sources of its own. The exchange often devolves into ragebaiting, mirroring, and deflection.

It's ironic, really, considering my initial remark was simply, "Let's put all the gender-haters on an island together." But as they say, if the shoe fits, wear it.

"Change the world, start with yourself", seems like solid advice.