'Impulse' SN attempts?

[pillow933]

Sorry if this post is demeaning or suggestive, I just have some thoughts I want to get out.

I've been seeing a lot of posts of SN attempts, and honestly some of them just outright confuse me. I don't associate SN with being a method that is 'impulsive', it requires planning, involving you choosing to do it knowing the requirements of what makes it successful. Impulsive suicide attempts involve things like jumping, cutting or hanging, not something that you know requires weeks of waiting for the substance to arrive and knowing a few other additives are required to make it more successful/ease the pain.

How are there people posting who are saying things like "I cba to buy scales", or "I dunno how much I took", or "I just guessed the measurement"?

And if people are taking it impulsively, why are they posting on SS about it? If you're impulsively taking it I can't see how you'd find the time to be in the moment to consume it and consequently load up the forum and type out your thoughts and resulting reactions to it. As someone who is actively thinking about CTB every day, I can't imagine my last moments to be spent on a forum typing out my experience, let alone if I take it impulsively and my thoughts are probably consumed by whatever event caused my reaction to take that action.

Personally, I don't see how people can take SN without careful planning beforehand, and I understand not everyone has access to certain additives that ease the process, but there seems to be a particular carelessness in a lot of recent posts that honestly just make it hard to believe that they'd even consumed it in the first place.

Consuming SN isn't even comparable to just downing a bunch of your prescription anti-depressants, I don't see it as a cry for help either. There's a definite risk that you'll die through consuming it, and so I don't think that anyone who knowingly consumes it does so nonchalantly.

Sorry if this comes across as dismissive, it's just been on my mind and it's just frustrating to see and complicates my mentality when it comes to taking SN. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

 

[tary]

The effects of SN seem to vary wildly from person to person. Some people wake up fine after drinking half a glass:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...taking-lessons-and-improving-the-plan.107236/

And some would have died a peaceful death without medical attention from 2 grams with 250 ml of coke:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/testing-sn-how-to-get-to-hospital-fast.74903/

I think the protocol is what works best for most people, but whether or not you succeed and how peacefully you will go seems to vary from person to person.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Honestly, it confuses me too. I think some people literally want a trial- to see just how bad the symptoms and pain get. I suppose it can also be kind of dodgy to have it handy if you are prone to doing impulsive acts of self harm.

Quite often they will say- they wouldn't have minded if they had died- and I do believe them on that. I suppose it's just that- for a suicidal person- that isn't necessarily the worst thing that can happen to you...

You can get so distressed that you phone for emergency services and end up involuntarily committed. While SN does SEEM to be more forgiving for a failed attempt than other methods- I doubt there's much research into it and there's no way of controlling how much your body absorbs and what damage it does. I think there are some cases where people have had longer term health issues.

I just think- even following the protocol (to any of these methods) there is an element of risk. Why wouldn't you minimize the risk of failure as much as you possibly can? It seems an odd thing to just wing.

Still- I do respect what you are saying and we ought to respect one another also. I guess none of us know where our minds will take us day to day. I likely will be taking some risks if I ever attempt... My Meto is already expired.

 

[resolutory]

I think some people are just impulsive in general. My dad, for example, almost electrocuted himself trying to change a lightbulb lol. Me, a logical, careful thinker said to him beforehand 'are you sure it's turned off?' to which he nonchalantly said 'yeah, yeah' and proceeded to get shocked! It was only a small shock, nothing serious, but, from what I understand, people can easily die from electrocution this way.

It amazes me every day how so many people, maybe even just the average human in general, are just generally impulsive, no matter the risk. It really makes me wonder.

I think different people just have different minds, I suppose.

 

[pillow933]

The effects of SN seem to vary wildly from person to person. Some people wake up fine after drinking half a glass:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...taking-lessons-and-improving-the-plan.107236/

And some would have died a peaceful death without medical attention from 2 grams with 250 ml of coke:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/testing-sn-how-to-get-to-hospital-fast.74903/

I think the protocol is what works best for most people, but whether or not you succeed and how peacefully you will go seems to vary from person to person.

I completely agree, and I wouldn't have made this post if I'd seen people posting SN attempts with at least an attempt to abide by the protocol or things that don't resemble impulsivity. However, there seems to have been a lot of posts recently about attempts that don't even demonstrate a willingness to abide by the protocol or show some weird (suspicious) attempt where they've thrown together some weird concoction of a visible amount of SN and water and just hoped for the best. That is what confuses me...

Honestly, it confuses me too. I think some people literally want a trial- to see just how bad the symptoms and pain get. I suppose it can also be kind of dodgy to have it handy if you are prone to doing impulsive acts of self harm.

Quite often they will say- they wouldn't have minded if they had died- and I do believe them on that. I suppose it's just that- for a suicidal person- that isn't necessarily the worst thing that can happen to you...

You can get so distressed that you phone for emergency services and end up involuntarily committed. While SN does SEEM to be more forgiving for a failed attempt than other methods- I doubt there's much research into it and there's no way of controlling how much your body absorbs and what damage it does. I think there are some cases where people have had longer term health issues.

I just think- even following the protocol (to any of these methods) there is an element of risk. Why wouldn't you minimize the risk of failure as much as you possibly can? It seems an odd thing to just wing.

Still- I do respect what you are saying and we ought to respect one another also. I guess none of us know where our minds will take us day to day. I likely will be taking some risks if I ever attempt... My Meto is already expired.

100%. I didn't want my post to come across as demeaning, and I'm approaching it from my perspective which is warped by my approach to these things, and I guess I can understand how people may not care about the end result if they're taking it as a 'test' if they're very suicidal. But why frame it on the forum as though it's a serious attempt? It just dissuades people who are seriously considering it I think...

I think some people are just impulsive in general. My dad, for example, almost electrocuted himself trying to change a lightbulb lol. Me, a logical, careful thinker said to him beforehand 'are you sure it's turned off?' to which he nonchalantly said 'yeah, yeah' and proceeded to get shocked! It was only a small shock, nothing serious, but, from what I understand, people can easily die from electrocution this way.

It amazes me every day how so many people, maybe even just the average human in general, are just generally impulsive, no matter the risk. It really makes me wonder.

I think different people just have different minds, I suppose.

I guess, and I think this is my rationale behind it if I'm thinking that these people are posting in good faith. It's just difficult for me as someone who wants to ensure that every detail of my attempt would be backed by other people's experience and established methods on the forum, as to why someone would just down a non-specified cup of SN.

 

[tary]

I completely agree, and I wouldn't have made this post if I'd seen people posting SN attempts with at least an attempt to abide by the protocol or things that don't resemble impulsivity. However, there seems to have been a lot of posts recently about attempts that don't even demonstrate a willingness to abide by the protocol or show some weird (suspicious) attempt where they've thrown together some weird concoction of a visible amount of SN and water and just hoped for the best. That is what confuses me...

I guess my point (that I forgot to mention lol) was that posts like those might inspire these impulsive attempts, because it seems you'll either be unharmed or succeed.

 

[ImpairedLowlife]

Personally, I don't see how people can take SN without careful planning beforehand, and I understand not everyone has access to certain additives that ease the process, but there seems to be a particular carelessness in a lot of recent posts that honestly just make it hard to believe that they'd even consumed it in the first place.

While I do understand your point, you need to realize that it's hard and for some people straight up impossible to stay rational when you're about to CTB.

 

[pillow933]

I guess my point (that I forgot to mention lol) was that posts like those might inspire these impulsive attempts, because it seems you'll either be unharmed or succeed.

True, I guess maybe I'm just selfishly viewing it from my point of view as someone who wants to use SN with protocol and so I'm searching for attempts that abide by that, and ones that don't detract from it.

While I do understand your point, you need to realize that it's hard and for some people straight up impossible to stay rational when you're about to CTB.

I completely agree, I guess my aproach to CTB with SN doesn't align with others who have used it impulsively.

 

[FuneralCry]

The reality is that some people are so starved for attention and receiving such a thing makes them feel better about themselves which could explain certain posts. But anyway if I was about to ctb then I would be nowhere near this site (and I really wouldn't want to be either for sure) and I would be focused on the method and making sure that I succeed. Surely trying to post about suicide on the internet just before one is about to ctb would be distracting from what the person is trying to do.

But I know that I would never attempt ctb unless I felt confident that the method would work and if I had SN I would research it as much as possible to guarantee that I would succeed. I could also never understand why someone with a reliable method that is known to be successful if done correctly, would attempt it in a way that could fail when there is literally a SN protocol that should be followed.

But anyway SN is a reliable method so if one has it and they do it correctly they will succeed and those who have SN in the first place are fortunate.

 

[almostoutofhere]

As someone who is actively thinking about CTB every day, I can't imagine my last moments to be spent on a forum typing out my experience, let alone if I take it impulsively and my thoughts are probably consumed by whatever event caused my reaction to take that action.

A lot people don't want to feel like they're dying all alone, so they'd rather share their experience here and interact with others. And it helps others that are planning to CTB in the same way.

 

[lionetta12]

Sorry if this post is demeaning or suggestive, I just have some thoughts I want to get out.

I've been seeing a lot of posts of SN attempts, and honestly some of them just outright confuse me. I don't associate SN with being a method that is 'impulsive', it requires planning, involving you choosing to do it knowing the requirements of what makes it successful. Impulsive suicide attempts involve things like jumping, cutting or hanging, not something that you know requires weeks of waiting for the substance to arrive and knowing a few other additives are required to make it more successful/ease the pain.

How are there people posting who are saying things like "I cba to buy scales", or "I dunno how much I took", or "I just guessed the measurement"?

And if people are taking it impulsively, why are they posting on SS about it? If you're impulsively taking it I can't see how you'd find the time to be in the moment to consume it and consequently load up the forum and type out your thoughts and resulting reactions to it. As someone who is actively thinking about CTB every day, I can't imagine my last moments to be spent on a forum typing out my experience, let alone if I take it impulsively and my thoughts are probably consumed by whatever event caused my reaction to take that action.

Personally, I don't see how people can take SN without careful planning beforehand, and I understand not everyone has access to certain additives that ease the process, but there seems to be a particular carelessness in a lot of recent posts that honestly just make it hard to believe that they'd even consumed it in the first place.

Consuming SN isn't even comparable to just downing a bunch of your prescription anti-depressants, I don't see it as a cry for help either. There's a definite risk that you'll die through consuming it, and so I don't think that anyone who knowingly consumes it does so nonchalantly.

Sorry if this comes across as dismissive, it's just been on my mind and it's just frustrating to see and complicates my mentality when it comes to taking SN. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

I've given up on SN as my method now due to this, because I don't really understand why there's so many failed attempts with it suddenly, and all at once too. I'm not an impulsive person, I'm not even impulsive when I'm drunk, I look at my SN and I don't touch it when I'm under the influence because I know I would probably fail if I took it impulsively. But I also don't like taking risks. I want to be as certain as I can about success with anything I do and that includes CTB, so I'm now going with another method instead.

 

[pillow933]

I've given up on SN as my method now due to this, because I don't really understand why there's so many failed attempts with it suddenly, and all at once too. I'm not an impulsive person, I'm not even impulsive when I'm drunk, I look at my SN and I don't touch it when I'm under the influence because I know I would probably fail if I took it impulsively. But I also don't like taking risks. I want to be as certain as I can about success with anything I do and that includes CTB, so I'm now going with another method instead.

I sort of agree... I'm still hanging onto SN because there still seems to be a lot of hard evidence of its effectiveness, but it does seem like there's been a huge rise in the number of failures recently which is part of the reason I made this post. Not suggesting that anyone is faking or has bad intentions but something doesn't seem to add up...

 

[Ireallysuck999]

There is about 578 guest's here as now.

 

[lionetta12]

There is about 578 guest's here as now.

I think the highest number of guests I've ever seen was around 1000, but this was half a year ago ish. I don't regularly check the count so I'm not sure what is a normal amount.

I sort of agree... I'm still hanging onto SN because there still seems to be a lot of hard evidence of its effectiveness, but it does seem like there's been a huge rise in the number of failures recently which is part of the reason I made this post. Not suggesting that anyone is faking or has bad intentions but something doesn't seem to add up...

Yeah, I'm just confused with it all and I'd rather choose a more lethal method.

 

[pillow933]

I think the highest number of guests I've ever seen was around 1000, but this was half a year ago ish. I don't regularly check the count so I'm not sure what is a normal amount.

Yeah, I'm just confused with it all and I'd rather choose a more lethal method.

No need to reply but can I ask what you've chosen instead?

 

[lionetta12]

No need to reply but can I ask what you've chosen instead?

Shotgun to the head, and if I for some reason end up not feeling comfortable with that I have a backup method for that now too.

 

[releasespieces]

Its a tough situation because SS doesn't want us to question this anomaly trend towards impulsive, documented SN failed attempts. I can understand being sensitive to members when we don't know for certain what is happening with them IRL, but if anyone thinks this is normal for people to approach this CTB method this way they don't have much experience here. I've been off and on the site since 2019 and I've never seen this many members following the same trend regarding SN attempts. It seems like a lot of members are even in on it, they aren't questioning it at all and actually making lame excuses for this strange behavior.

The big question is, if this is an organized situation, what could the possible motive be to have multiple documented failed SN attempts on this site? I would say that SN is the most popular method here, it would make sense if an organized attempt were made to infiltrate the site in order to create confusion and doubt surrounding SN as a means to CTB. I think SS needs to look into this situation much more closely and seriously question what is going on here. I truly believe that this could be organized somehow and that it's being done to turn members off from using SN. There are even members in this thread discussing how they have lost confidence in the method, not that long ago it was the way to go with very little question.

 

[pillow933]

Its a tough situation because SS doesn't want us to question this anomaly trend towards impulsive, documented SN failed attempts. I can understand being sensitive to members when we don't know for certain what is happening with them IRL, but if anyone thinks this is normal for people to approach this CTB method this way they don't have much experience here. I've been off and on the site since 2019 and I've never seen this many members following the same trend regarding SN attempts. It seems like a lot of members are even in on it, they aren't questioning it at all and actually making lame excuses for this strange behavior.

The big question is, if this is an organized situation, what could the possible motive be to have multiple documented failed SN attempts on this site? I would say that SN is the most popular method here, it would make sense if an organized attempt were made to infiltrate the site in order to create confusion and doubt surrounding SN as a means to CTB. I think SS needs to look into this situation much more closely and seriously question what is going on here. I truly believe that this could be organized somehow and that it's being done to turn members off from using SN. There are even members in this thread discussing how they have lost confidence in the method, not that long ago it was the way to go with very little question.

I guess I agree with you that I just can't wrap my head around certain attempts that have been publicised on this forum and highlighted as a potential negative towards SN. The science behind it sounds reputable, PP very strongly endorse it, and we had a plethora of experiences both on this forum and out to suggest it's effective. And yet for some reason in recent months there's been a surge in failures for both the weirdest reasons and for the weirdest of attempts? I really don't want to target anyone as having bad intentions because I understand everyone's situation is different and their motivations and actions are complicated, but the fact this is being seen on such a wide scale does leave me with some suspicion.

 

[lionetta12]

Its a tough situation because SS doesn't want us to question this anomaly trend towards impulsive, documented SN failed attempts. I can understand being sensitive to members when we don't know for certain what is happening with them IRL, but if anyone thinks this is normal for people to approach this CTB method this way they don't have much experience here. I've been off and on the site since 2019 and I've never seen this many members following the same trend regarding SN attempts. It seems like a lot of members are even in on it, they aren't questioning it at all and actually making lame excuses for this strange behavior.

The big question is, if this is an organized situation, what could the possible motive be to have multiple documented failed SN attempts on this site? I would say that SN is the most popular method here, it would make sense if an organized attempt were made to infiltrate the site in order to create confusion and doubt surrounding SN as a means to CTB. I think SS needs to look into this situation much more closely and seriously question what is going on here. I truly believe that this could be organized somehow and that it's being done to turn members off from using SN. There are even members in this thread discussing how they have lost confidence in the method, not that long ago it was the way to go with very little question.

I didn't look into all of the recent failures too much due to having a turbulant and difficult time IRL now and trying to focus on CTB, but all the threads I kept seeing regarding it made me less and less motivated and more insecure about the method. But I kept finding it strange and I remember that at least a couple of the threads that stated that they failed, were made by newer accounts. I asked some questions in a couple of those threads and never got a reply.

 

[releasespieces]

I didn't look into all of the recent failures too much due to having a turbulant and difficult time IRL now and trying to focus on CTB, but all the threads I kept seeing regarding it made me less and less motivated and more insecure about the method. But I kept finding it strange and I remember that at least a couple of the threads that stated that they failed, were made by newer accounts. I asked some questions in a couple of those threads and never got a reply.

Exactly! The members are here for a few days with minimal posts, how is that long enough to do research, order up SN and everything else, etc. After they post how horrible it went and how it failed them, they walk away from the post entirely, never to be heard from again... like WTF. If members think everyone on this forum is legit here for the same reason, they're incredibly naive.

 

[pillow933]

I didn't look into all of the recent failures too much due to having a turbulant and difficult time IRL now and trying to focus on CTB, but all the threads I kept seeing regarding it made me less and less motivated and more insecure about the method. But I kept finding it strange and I remember that at least a couple of the threads that stated that they failed, were made by newer accounts. I asked some questions in a couple of those threads and never got a reply.

For me the reassurance lies with both PP and members who I've known here who have since passed away. I was active a couple of years ago with some members who definitely had a more 'reputable' background in that they could confidently speak about the science behind it (which seems less common on the forum these days) and explain its mechanism of action, how and why it works etc. I spent a lot of time speaking with them over private messages and they've definitely given me the confidence that this is a good method made more comfortable by a certain protocol. It just seems strange returning to the forum a couple years later with this influx of newer posts from people who I can't say I completely trust and not many large voices to combat them? Either way I'm confident in this method, just confused by recent events.

 

[releasespieces]

For me the reassurance lies with both PP and members who I've known here who have since passed away. I was active a couple of years ago with some members who definitely had a more 'reputable' background in that they could confidently speak about the science behind it (which seems less common on the forum these days) and explain its mechanism of action, how and why it works etc. I spent a lot of time speaking with them over private messages and they've definitely given me the confidence that this is a good method made more comfortable by a certain protocol. It just seems strange returning to the forum a couple years later with this influx of newer posts from people who I can't say I completely trust and not many large voices to combat them? Either way I'm confident in this method, just confused by recent events.

100%. Something is off. I've had similar experiences with well educated people on the site providing confidence in the method, it seems they've been replaced by whatever this crap is.