I'm so utterly disappointed with my intelligence.

[aka66647]

I suck at everything I do, I've had so many opportunities but It was always my IQ that dictated my life. I cannot stand the notion that my mum fucked a total looser that even didn't finish fucking high school.
I've met a few people that had a clever family and well off. Fuck that they always had a privilege of knowing that their parents are great people, that are born with a card that their family is amazing, loving and caring. They had always a privilege of good habits since childhood. Their lives turned out to be great; happy, successful etc.
My mum on the other hand fucked with a looser, had a few kids and always spoke badly about my father (yea bitch; never thought how that might impact your son?) She was a looser to, couldn't leave him even though she was miserable for like 20 years and he literally had me with him at 18'th year of marriage. Never put any effort to bringing me up; she just gave me a computer and I've literally spent 90% my entire life in front of computer. Which made me even more stupid and unsociable.

I am tired of trying, running in circles you know? When peers arwe pushing through career problems, having fun. We with shitty families are struggling with ourselves because we were made broken. What a privilege it would be to know that it's possible to push through a problem because your father done that, because your parents are great human beings and they are keeping their thumbs for you.

The truth is we are very much a product of our parents; upbringing plays a huge role but so is genetics. It doesn't get better and as an adult it actually starts to get unbearable because no matter how hard you try it doesn't matter no school, no amount of education will change your intelligence and stupid person will be a stupid person no matter what.

 

[Komm_Süsser_Tod]

This is so strange. I'm always thinking about IQ.

 

[Messgram]

People will always deny that IQ is a deciding factor in their life. Instead they will push you into optimistic fantasies about how effort and dedication can make you a smart guy. The truth: if you have a low IQ you are complement fucked up, unless you have some kind of special talent or good charisma.

If you are an introverted, ugly, talentless, mentally ill person like me, then there is no rational solution to escape pain other than death.

 

[thefoodispoison]

I feel you on this. I was raised by a parent who barely graduated high school, struggles to read, and does not have the best critical thinking skills. My other parent is extremely mentally ill (schizophrenia). I often feel like this is my lot in life -- that I've missed out on so much cultural and academic education ingrained in my peers who were raised by what I call "NPR parents."

I don't know what to tell you except I'm sorry, you're right. It's unfair.

 

[4eyebiped]

I think about IQ a lot too. Being only two letters it is far easier than thinking about 4 letter or more words.

On a serious note, I had the HOPE grant but didn't even attempt going to college because I felt too incompetent and dumb. My inability to write well was a guaranteed fail, much less my other issues added on top of that.

I have a friend with 176 IQ. I really feel like a fool when talking to him. I have nothing to bring to the conversational table. Lucky enough, I rarely see him but it is intimidating when I do.

 

[aka66647]

People will always deny that IQ is a deciding factor in their life. Instead they will push you into optimistic fantasies about how effort and dedication can make you a smart guy. The truth: if you have a low IQ you are complement fucked up, unless you have some kind of special talent or good charisma.

If you are an introverted, ugly, talentless, mentally ill person like me, then there is no rational solution to escape pain other than death.

Some people would rather lie to themselves; create a path to their self esteem to just protect integrity of their character. The truth is there is no such thing as privilege to self-esteem and if you cannot earn it you don't deserve it.

I was always wondering what would world look like if stupid people couldn't have kids? I know it's dystopian simpleton view of the world and has no chance to be implemented but at least in theory fuck that would be awesome...

I think about IQ a lot too. Being only two letters it is far easier than thinking about 4 letter or more words.

On a serious note, I had the HOPE grant but didn't even attempt going to college because I felt too incompetent and dumb. My inability to write well was a guaranteed fail, much less my other issues added on top of that.

I have a friend with 176 IQ. I really feel like a fool when talking to him. I have nothing to bring to the conversational table. Lucky enough, I rarely see him but it is intimidating when I do.

I've done endless all nighters, like 100 hours learning/work weeks and also more sane variations like 40 hours + sleep + food + running + trying to meet people + growth mindset. No way you hit a ceiling and you cannot do much more :/ Brutal stuff to realize and I am certain if I were talented person I wouldn't ever want to kill myself.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

I was home schooled by my crazy religious nut job parents. At first they started filling my head with religious bullshit and after while they just gave up and left me home alone for years on end. The only good part about being left alone was they stopped beating me. I didn't even know how fucked up my childhood was until later on. If I could go back in time I would murder my parents and kill my younger self to spare all the years of torment and misery.

Being stupid means you have to work twice as hard for half the results as everybody else. I really struggled for years to catch up and make a life for myself. But I found it impossible to overcome my pathetic background. Now I am in dire straights both financially and health wise. My parents never took me to the hospital because they believed in the 'healing power of prayer'. The first time I stepped inside a hospital was when I was 18 or 19. I am an abomination. I don't belong on this earth. I want to die so badly but it is so hard. At some point I know I just have to close my eyes and do it.

 

[Messgram]

Some people would rather lie to themselves; create a path to their self esteem to just protect integrity of their character. The truth is there is no such thing as privilege to self-esteem and if you cannot earn it you don't deserve it.

I was always wondering what would world look like if stupid people couldn't have kids? I know it's dystopian simpleton view of the world and has no chance to be implemented but at least in theory fuck that would be awesome...

I'm an antinatalist, but procreation becomes much more amoral when the parents are genetically unfavorable. I don't care if it's a eugenic thought. People can throw stones at me for thinking that way, but the reality is painful and shouldn't be hidden to please a group of people who don't want to have their self-steem crushed.
The fact is no one wants to be born dumb, ugly and with generic diseases that will cause them a lifetime of pain. So why pass that suffering on? I speak about It as someone who fits into this group of people and I would never have children with that being one of the main reasons.

 

[eternalmelancholy]

I'm an antinatalist, but procreation becomes much more amoral when the parents are genetically unfavorable. I don't care if it's a eugenic thought. People can throw stones at me for thinking that way, but the reality is painful and shouldn't be hidden to please a group of people who don't want to have their self-steem crushed.

Because they are too stupid to realize how stupid they truly are. I don't want to keep ranting in someone else's thread but I get so triggered when talking about unfit parents. Being poor and stupid goes hand in hand. It is a rough existence. Shitty parents have shitty kids. Yet they have the gall to get upset that you turned out just like them.

 

[eternalpeace]

I have the opposite problem. Both my parents are smart, and I was always told that I was smart. I was in all the "smart" classes and went to a prestigious university. I always had to work a lot harder than everyone else, and I forced myself into a stressful career. I felt like maybe I had adhd or a learning disability, but because my grades were good, everyone I spoke to about it gave me the brush off. Then, in my mid 30s, I was diagnosed with adhd and an IQ test revealed that I have difficulties that constitute a "minimal impairment", especially when compared to people with the same level of education. No wonder I couldn't function. I was trying to force my brain to do things that it just couldn't do. We live in this culture of "you can do anything you want if you work hard enough and have the right attitude", but the reality is, we all have limitations. We can work around them, and try to accommodate them, but at the end of the day, they are there.

 

[ikadasui]

I suck at everything I do, I've had so many opportunities but It was always my IQ that dictated my life. I cannot stand the notion that my mum fucked a total looser that even didn't finish fucking high school.
I've met a few people that had a clever family and well off. Fuck that they always had a privilege of knowing that their parents are great people, that are born with a card that their family is amazing, loving and caring. They had always a privilege of good habits since childhood. Their lives turned out to be great; happy, successful etc.
My mum on the other hand fucked with a looser, had a few kids and always spoke badly about my father (yea bitch; never thought how that might impact your son?) She was a looser to, couldn't leave him even though she was miserable for like 20 years and he literally had me with him at 18'th year of marriage. Never put any effort to bringing me up; she just gave me a computer and I've literally spent 90% my entire life in front of computer. Which made me even more stupid and unsociable.

I am tired of trying, running in circles you know? When peers arwe pushing through career problems, having fun. We with shitty families are struggling with ourselves because we were made broken. What a privilege it would be to know that it's possible to push through a problem because your father done that, because your parents are great human beings and they are keeping their thumbs for you.

The truth is we are very much a product of our parents; upbringing plays a huge role but so is genetics. It doesn't get better and as an adult it actually starts to get unbearable because no matter how hard you try it doesn't matter no school, no amount of education will change your intelligence and stupid person will be a stupid person no matter what.

Same fucking boat, man! It's unreal the hand I got dealt and am now expected to just deal

 

[eternalmelancholy]

Same fucking boat, man! It's unreal the hand I got dealt and am now expected to just deal

Back in the old days we would have been killed off already for slowing down the tribe.

 

[little helpers]

do you wanna know about this? what I think about IQ, intelligence and stuff?

IQ is what "scientists" (White, middle-class) believe should measure intelligence. it's a quote-unquote becuz I honestly can't find anything more "scientological" than the IQ concept. cuz before any real scientist go propose an intelligence assessment, what they should ask themselves is what intelligence *is*, and whether it is *measurable* in mathematical units and scores.

my understanding of it, intelligence is how developed we are *at this point* to *orient* ourselves through our *own* environments. adults who been in the "correctional" system much of their lives, many don't even know how to use a microwave. that's what you'd see in halfway houses. but they're experts on surviving prison, they have the richest knowledge on how violent our system is and where the problem is at. (ex)inmates' organizations are wonderful. I mean that. now they've put this knowledge to use and done something most people can't.

or say an immigrant who gets real puzzled opening a bank account but can tell you the best stories, 'bout themselves, their struggle, their people, their cultural traditions and about immigration policies and xenophobia.

IQ is racist. or SAT. nothing more obvious than that. education plays a huge role in your pseudoscientific IQ score. and you don't need to impress a psuedoscience at all.

when you already impressed me with your writing. how well you put all of that into words. your effort to communicate.

but I also want you to know that you been heard. your struggle through this motherfucking system that values maths skills over the people that we are.

I've known people on either side of the spectrum. one who can recite the entire textbook just by scanning through it. and one denied of higher education simply becuz they don't like maths and doesn't speak in a White grammar.

and nobody's faring better than another at this point. the two people I've known and loved, I mean. we are stranded off from realizing our values and wit, when the society at large cares fuck all about about wisdom, only dollar sign values calculated mathematically. alienation, that is.

so I don't know. I didn't want to be an armchair anarchist. but I'm not doing well either and got pushed into a place where ranting is all I can do. anyways. if you bothered to read this I appreciate that. in advance, I mean.

 

[ikadasui]

Back in the old days we would have been killed off already for slowing down the tribe.

And it would of been a mercy tbh. I always say the playing fields have changed but the rules are still the same. Strong survive and the weak suffer and die

 

[eternalmelancholy]

And it would of been a mercy tbh. I always say the playing fields have changed but the rules are still the same. Strong survive and the weak suffer and die

That is just the brutal nature of life. I don't know why anyone would have kids knowing this. Do they just not think about it?

 

[little helpers]

Being stupid means you have to work twice as hard for half the results as everybody else. I really struggled for years to catch up and make a life for myself. But I found it impossible to overcome my pathetic background. Now I am in dire straights both financially and health wise.

same boat, man. I don't consider myself *or anyone* to be "stupid" (too ableist a word, so quoted that), but I do need a lot more time than others for coursework and stuff. now a drop-out and unemployed. fun story.

folks screwed me up and mental health collapsed. good.(sarcasm) now can the education system just be a bit more patient with me? I could do so much, if given time.

and I think that's for everyone. a little bit of patience goes a long way. 'cept we aren't allowed that.

but like, sorry for ranting. my bad.

 

[All Things Must Pass]

Back in the old days we would have been killed off already for slowing down the tribe.

Not always. There is the ancient remains of a quadriplegic 20 to 30 year old man in Vietnam. NYT calls this compassion, but I'm not so sure.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232415555_Survival_against_the_odds_Modeling_the_social_implications_of_care_provision_to_seriously_disabled_individuals

 

[Messgram]

That is just the brutal nature of life. I don't know why anyone would have kids knowing this. Do they just not think about it?

They are pretty much aware about it, but would reather ignore it, to look only at the pretty side. If you bring up the ugly side, they'll rationalize everything, put on rainbow glasses and pretend the world is a wonder.
I see this behavior as a defense mechanism for the mind. People deep down know how rotten the world and life are, but to avoid madness they prefer to isolate themselves in a matrix and simply assign optimistic and unrealistic meanings to all the shit that goes on around them

 

[eternalmelancholy]

People deep down know how rotten the world and life are, but to avoid madness they prefer to isolate themselves in a matrix and simply assign optimistic and unrealistic meanings to all the shit that goes on around them

And innocent lives that never had to exist get to suffer for it. People say suicide is selfish but what about bringing a new life into this world? Isn't that the most selfish thing of all?

 

[little helpers]

Not always. There is the ancient remains of a quadriplegic 20 to 30 year old man in Vietnam. NYT calls this compassion, but I'm not so sure.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232415555_Survival_against_the_odds_Modeling_the_social_implications_of_care_provision_to_seriously_disabled_individuals

yep. quite many ancient societies treat their physically disabled nicely. with top-shelf burials when they had sustained the injury for pretty long or when they been born that way. now that's hardcore archeological evidence.

and I have theories 'bout neurodivergence. specifically autism and ADHD. how these are very survival-oriented. think there's also some proposed in academia. the hunter-versus-farmer theory, for one. disabled people are always gon be with us. and we have a lot to offer, if only they've cared to allow us and to listen.

 

[Messgram]

And innocent lives that never had to exist get to suffer for it. People say suicide is selfish but what about bringing a new life into this world? Isn't that the most selfish thing of all?

Sometimes I seriously think that procreation is worse than murder. In the first case you are starting a meaningless suffering cycle, while in the last case you are ending it.

 

[ncmxm]

I don't really have a lot to add except to say that I feel you. I'm low iq, I don't understand complicated things, like math, physics, programming or chemistry, and there is nothing I'm good at. I need to put in a lot of effort to get average results. It really gets to me sometimes and I legit start crying because of how stupid I am sometimes and it sometimes makes me feel suicidal ahahah

What helps me is telling myself that it's not my fault. It's literally not my fault I was born stupid, if I could choose my level of intelligence of course I would have chosen to be above average. And if it's not my fault I shouldn't feel bad for it.
And I also tell myself that it's ok to feel bad about it sometimes because the influence of intelligence on your life is huge and that it's ok to cry over it if I have to, but that I should still go forward after it. I have a lot of limitations which are not my fault, and if I manage to achieve at least something above them, no matter how small, then it's like laughing in the face of fate, not succumbing to the shackles that have been imposed on you. It's like saying "you robbed me of so much and while I was forced to accept your rules, I was still able to do something".

And another thing that helps me is thinking that if I'm low iq, it actually means what little I achieve ahah is worth more, because I need to put in a lot more effort compared to other people.

Sorry for the huge wall of text, the topic just always strikes a nerve with me. And I thought maybe it could help someone a bit.

 

[Dragon's Heart]

IQ doesn't have anything to do with what a person knows. Everything we all know had to be learned. IQ has more to do with a person's ability to learn, to connect the dots so to speak. Some will learn faster about a given subject and some will meander through it. A meanderer can know as much as a sprinter about such and such they just took a little longer to get there. On the other hand, a sprinter can get bored and start missing some stuff here and there. Life's circumstances don't really have much to do with it either. Applying energy to what has been learned is EVERYTHING. Once depression kicks in, energy flow is scarce and life can be depressing. This can create a circular thing that requires more energy to blow a hole in it for purpose of changing direction. How to organize and move energy that sits in a chaotic fashion? Well, I don't know everything, still working on that.

 

[aka66647]

If someone is interested in this topic, and generally why genetic is fucking important I recommend The Genetic Lottery Why DNA Matters for Social Equality. A great book.

 

[Heartattackpending]

So called IQ is overrated. It measures mostly mathematical ability. I knew a math oriented guy who supposedly had 160 I.Q. Socially, he was an idiot. I also overheard a conversation in a bar once (and how much b.s. have you heard in a bar?) where some young woman claimed she had a 180+ IQ and that her brother's was even higher. That's like winning the lotto twice. What a crock. That guy with the 176 IQ I would treat with the same skepticism.

 

[meetapple]

So called IQ is overrated. It measures mostly mathematical ability.

I am good at math but my I.Q. is average.

 

[Heartattackpending]

meetapple: Find that hard to believe. I'm a little biased I guessed. I suck at math. I took a year of trig. Didn't understand a thing. We had a good teacher who everyone liked and I stayed after school and he tried to help me. Didn't work. He pity passed me along with a few others in the class who were also struggling.

 

[ElderRecluse]

I always liked math from the time I was in elementary school. Well, I guess that was arithmatic back then but, anyway, I ended up with a couple of years calculus before I quit my formal education. And, my IQ is below normal, as tested when I was in the 5th grade. I recently came to believe that my IQ is correct. I am often at a loss for words in a social situation. I find the basics of something easy to achieve, but always seem to reach a point of learning that I can't advance past.

When I was young I was shy, introverted, and selfish. I'm still shy and introverted and definitely am now social phobic. I've had an audio processing dissorder all my life and that might have contributed to lower IQ and some learning problems.

Anyway, I just wanted to contribute that I think there is some legitimacy to a persons IQ, at least there seems to be to mine.

 

[Depressed Cat]

My thoughts on IQ are simple - as a measure of intelligence, IQ tests are rather crude & overrated simply because they measure only two or three aspects of intelligence:

• Mathematical intelligence,
• Logical intelligence and
• Analytical intelligence

That's all. These are merely three forms of intelligence. There are many more!

We also have:

• Emotional intelligence (ability to understand, process & express emotions),
• Linguistic intelligence (ability to be good at learning languages),
• Musical intelligence (self-explanatory),
• Social intelligence (ability to socialise with all kinds of people),
• Physical intelligence (ability to get the mind & body to co-ordinate perfectly),
• Tensile intelligence (ability of the mind to perform under pressure),
• Spiritual intelligence (ability of the mind to delve into the spiritual realm) and
• Possibly more.

When there are so many forms of intelligence, how can a test that measures merely two or three forms (most IQ tests) be a measure of one's overall intelligence???

So guys and gals who didn't fare well on IQ tests and the likes, relax. These tests do not measure your entire intelligence, far from it!

You are worth much more than the score provided by some half-baked, incomplete test that you took!

 

[ikadasui]

Honestly, that doesn't really help much sorry to say. The reality is with my brain I'm forever fucked. I won't ever be able to properly engage in meaningful conversations, I'll always be out on the outskirts, I'll always struggle to comprehend even simple things(heck, a strat in this game is literally labeled braindead strat and I still don't get it). It's completely miserable in every regard. Staying alive to sustain a life that just fuels my suffering is just fucking insane