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fightingsioux

fightingsioux

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Oct 22, 2019
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It's the new Swiss voluntary assisted dying organization, closely associated with Exit International.

Yes, it's expensive, for many--if not most--prohibitively so. I'm lucky, I can afford it. Their service is $10,000; with airfare and other expenses, would be about $12,000. I've copied some info from their website that I thought might interest people here.

What is Pegasos?
Pegaos Swiss Association is a voluntary assisted dying (VAD) organization based in Basel, Switzerland. Pegasos believes that it is the human right of every rational adult of sound mind, regardless of state of health, to choose the manner and timing of their death.
Cost of VAD



TOTAL10,000
Service
Assessments and administration3,000
VAD Appointment, incl. Medical Consultation's4,300
Funeral Services etc.2,150
Post VAD Administration550

Do you need to be terminally ill to come to Pegasos?
No, it is not necessary to be terminally ill to be accepted for a VAD at Pegasos.

Does Pegasos accept young, depressed or suicidal people?
Pegasos does not accept young people with depression or other severe mental illness. Rather, Pegasos will refer such applications to counselling services such as those published on the Pegasos website.

Do you accept young people?
At Pegasos we accept applications from adults over the age of 18 years only.

Do you accept people with mental illness?
Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome.

Does Pegasos help 'well' people to die?
Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'. Professor David Goodall was one of these people. He was not sick but his eye sight was failing him, as was his mobility. Old age is rarely kind. The decision to end one's life is an intensely personal one. Pegasos makes every effort to understand fully the unique circumstances of everyone who makes contact with us.

How exactly does a person die at Pegasos?
Pegasos generally uses the intravenous method of Nembutal administration. This involves having a cannula inserted into one's arm and a solution of the lethal drug fed into your body from a 'line' that is controlled by a 'tap'. However, if preferred, a person can also have the option of taking a small drink. In this case, anti-emetic (anti-vomiting) drugs will also need to be taken. Other approaches are also available. These can be discussed with Pegasos once the VAD application is approved.

How long does it take to die?
After the sodium pentobarbital starts flowing intraveneously, the person goes to sleep usually within a few seconds and dies quickly afterwards. If a person takes the Nembutal as a drink, the process is a bit longer.

Can I choose the actual method for my VAD?
Yes, Pegasos is all ears when it comes to a person's individual preferences. The options are an intravenous infusion or a small drink.

How do I control the actual VAD myself?
If you have elected intravenous administration of the Nembutal, you need to be able rotate the small wheel that opens the IV line that will be attached to the cannula in your arm. If you have weakness in your fingers or limited movement in your hands and and arms, then Pegasos has developed an ingenious device that requires a simple bump to start the infusion. This can be operated with one's arm, body or even feet. A slight turn of the head also works and even with your tongue. If you have chosen to drink the drugs, the least you will need to be able to do is swallow. If you do not have movement of your arms, you must be able to suck the liquid through a straw. If you do have movement of your arms then this method should present no problems for you.

If I choose to drink the drugs, is there a risk that I will vomit?
As there is always a risk of vomiting with anything we put in our mouths, to ensure that vomiting does not affect your VAD, Pegasos will provide highly-effective, anti-emetic drugs.

What happens after I die?
After your VAD, Pegasos will call the authorities who will attend our clinic. These officials will be friendly and very sensitive to the fact that you have just lost someone you loved very much. Once the authorities are satisfied that your death was voluntary and was initiated by you, Pegasos will call the funeral home who will come and collect your body. Your ashes will be available five days later. Your ashes can be either mailed home to your family or collected by your designated contact person.
 
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Well if you can afford it and if they accept you for it. Then I don't see why you wouldn't take this option. Why are you doubting this?
 
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Wish I could afford it.
 
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fightingsioux

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Well if you can afford it and if they accept you for it. Then I don't see why you wouldn't take this option. Why are you doubting this?
Even though I can afford it, that doesn't mean I want to spend it! But you're right, your question is the one that I keep asking myself.

And as far as acceptance goes, as long as you are over 18 and not suffering from a mental illness--are rational and competent--you will be accepted.
 
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Even though I can afford it, that doesn't mean I want to spend it! But you're right, your question is the one that I keep asking myself.
It sounds more like you aren't sure you want to die. This would be a dream for anyone who seriously wants to CTB.

Dying at a nice place, not alone, no pain and a guarantee? It's a dream come true.
 
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It sounds more like you aren't sure you want to die. This would be a dream for anyone who seriously wants to CTB.

Dying at a nice place, not alone, no pain and a guarantee? It's a dream come true.
No, I have two serious diseases that will eventually leave me either bedridden or a vegetable or both. Suicide is 100% for sure for me, I came to this site a couple of months ago as part of my research into methods. I'm 71, had a decent life, ready to go.
 
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Perhaps you want to save the money for loved ones. But if that's not the case then I don't see a reason not to spend your last money on this. I'm sorry to hear about your diseases
 
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No, I have two serious diseases that will leave me either bedridden or a vegetable or both. Suicide is 100% for sure for me, I came to this site a couple of months ago as part of my research into methods. I'm 71, had a decent life, ready to go.
Maybe I am misunderstanding and I apologize.

You have 2 serious illnesses, and definitely want to CTB. You have money to die in comfort. However, you don't want to spend the money.

Can I ask the importance of money when you are dead?
 
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357
Perhaps you want to save the money for loved ones. But if that's not the case then I don't see a reason not to spend your last money on this. I'm sorry to hear about your diseases
That's it exactly, for my adult daughter.
 
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That's it exactly, for my adult daughter.
I am sure your adult daughter who has her own life would want to put your needs and comfort above money.

If it was me and my parent, I wouldn't want to take the money. Spending it on my parents comfort would be paramount. It would guilt me forever knowing that was 'dirty money.'

But again. That may just be me. My parents comfort is more important than money.
 
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Maybe I am misunderstanding and I apologize.

You have 2 serious illnesses, and definitely want to CTB. You have money to die in comfort. However, you don't want to spend the money.

Can I ask the importance of money when you are dead?

Wait a minute...are you suggesting that rich people and poor people are all the same when they're dead. What!?!?

Just teasing.:blarg:
 
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Sunset Limited

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I hate that the system forbids us from accessing the chemicals we need. I don't have to ask for permission to die. I'm not against the controlled use of chemicals in a chosen location. Damn the system that tries to take away my right to a peaceful death. Fuck the system!
 
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Dubs

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This organization seems great! They are reducing the barriers to able bodied people, and also offer N via IV. At dignitas you have to ingest it.
 
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This organization seems great! They are reducing the barriers to able bodied people, and also offer N via IV. At dignitas you have to ingest it.

N via IV is a dream for all of us isn't it?
 
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This organization seems great! They are reducing the barriers to able bodied people, and also offer N via IV. At dignitas you have to ingest it.
It does seem like a good organization...but expensive and so out of reach for many who could use it. There should be something like it here in the U.S., available to all adults of a sound mind, at a reasonable cost. We're still hung up on the Puritan religious ethic that some non-existent, invisible, mythological entity forbids you from taking your own life!
 
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It does seem like a good organization...but expensive and so out of reach for many who could use it. There should be something like it here in the U.S., available to all adults of a sound mind, at a reasonable cost. We're still hung up on the Puritan religious ethic that some non-existent, invisible, mythological entity forbids you from taking your own life!
If this was in the US it would cost 100k and no insurance would cover it! I don't know your details but we have multiple good options for at home CTB. Mainly N from Mexico, and SN. No extra costs, and all the comfort. I think the only thing you lose is the "social dignity" of committing suicide in a socially acceptable way, at a medical facility.
 
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It does seem like a good organization...but expensive and so out of reach for many who could use it. There should be something like it here in the U.S., available to all adults of a sound mind, at a reasonable cost. We're still hung up on the Puritan religious ethic that some non-existent, invisible, mythological entity forbids you from taking your own life!
Maybe I am misunderstood
You have 2 major illnesses, can afford it, wants to give your money to your adult daughter.

Now we are talking about how it should be available in the US.
 
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If this was in the US it would cost 100k and no insurance would cover it! I don't know your details but we have multiple good options for at home CTB. Mainly N from Mexico, and SN. No extra costs, and all the comfort. I think the only thing you lose is the "social dignity" of committing suicide in a socially acceptable way, at a medical facility.
Each person has a unique situation, of course, especially when it comes to dying. Not going to go into any specifics here, but my circumstances make Pegasos attractive and your two options not so much.

But I greatly appreciate your well-thought-out comment.
Maybe I am misunderstood
You have 2 major illnesses, can afford it, wants to give your money to your adult daughter.

Now we are talking about how it should be available in the US.
Just making a societal comment based on the post I answered. Peace.
 
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I'm confused. At one point they say they don't accept young people with mental illness then at another they say above 18 is fine and another point they say mental illness is potentially okay too.
 
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Well. I wouldn't be able to afford this. It would be nice if I could.
 
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I'm confused. At one point they say they don't accept young people with mental illness then at another they say above 18 is fine and another point they say mental illness is potentially okay too.
They're covering their bases, so they can decided on a case by case basis, but still it could be better written and clearer.....
 
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If I had money, I'd be on a flight tomorrow.
But, I can't even afford to pay down my credit card enough to buy SN....so... I have no idea. :notsure:

I can understand and appreciate you wanting to leave the money to your daughter, but this is your life.
 
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sleepy dog

sleepy dog

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It's the new Swiss voluntary assisted dying organization, closely associated with Exit International.

Yes, it's expensive, for many--if not most--prohibitively so. I'm lucky, I can afford it. Their service is $10,000; with airfare and other expenses, would be about $12,000. I've copied some info from their website that I thought might interest people here.

What is Pegasos?
Pegaos Swiss Association is a voluntary assisted dying (VAD) organization based in Basel, Switzerland. Pegasos believes that it is the human right of every rational adult of sound mind, regardless of state of health, to choose the manner and timing of their death.
Cost of VAD



Service
TOTAL10,000
Assessments and administration3,000
VAD Appointment, incl. Medical Consultation's4,300
Funeral Services etc.2,150
Post VAD Administration550


Do you need to be terminally ill to come to Pegasos?
No, it is not necessary to be terminally ill to be accepted for a VAD at Pegasos.

Does Pegasos accept young, depressed or suicidal people?
Pegasos does not accept young people with depression or other severe mental illness. Rather, Pegasos will refer such applications to counselling services such as those published on the Pegasos website.

Do you accept young people?
At Pegasos we accept applications from adults over the age of 18 years only.

Do you accept people with mental illness?
Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome.

Does Pegasos help 'well' people to die?
Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'. Professor David Goodall was one of these people. He was not sick but his eye sight was failing him, as was his mobility. Old age is rarely kind. The decision to end one's life is an intensely personal one. Pegasos makes every effort to understand fully the unique circumstances of everyone who makes contact with us.

How exactly does a person die at Pegasos?
Pegasos generally uses the intravenous method of Nembutal administration. This involves having a cannula inserted into one's arm and a solution of the lethal drug fed into your body from a 'line' that is controlled by a 'tap'. However, if preferred, a person can also have the option of taking a small drink. In this case, anti-emetic (anti-vomiting) drugs will also need to be taken. Other approaches are also available. These can be discussed with Pegasos once the VAD application is approved.

How long does it take to die?
After the sodium pentobarbital starts flowing intraveneously, the person goes to sleep usually within a few seconds and dies quickly afterwards. If a person takes the Nembutal as a drink, the process is a bit longer.

Can I choose the actual method for my VAD?
Yes, Pegasos is all ears when it comes to a person's individual preferences. The options are an intravenous infusion or a small drink.

How do I control the actual VAD myself?
If you have elected intravenous administration of the Nembutal, you need to be able rotate the small wheel that opens the IV line that will be attached to the cannula in your arm. If you have weakness in your fingers or limited movement in your hands and and arms, then Pegasos has developed an ingenious device that requires a simple bump to start the infusion. This can be operated with one's arm, body or even feet. A slight turn of the head also works and even with your tongue. If you have chosen to drink the drugs, the least you will need to be able to do is swallow. If you do not have movement of your arms, you must be able to suck the liquid through a straw. If you do have movement of your arms then this method should present no problems for you.

If I choose to drink the drugs, is there a risk that I will vomit?
As there is always a risk of vomiting with anything we put in our mouths, to ensure that vomiting does not affect your VAD, Pegasos will provide highly-effective, anti-emetic drugs.

What happens after I die?
After your VAD, Pegasos will call the authorities who will attend our clinic. These officials will be friendly and very sensitive to the fact that you have just lost someone you loved very much. Once the authorities are satisfied that your death was voluntary and was initiated by you, Pegasos will call the funeral home who will come and collect your body. Your ashes will be available five days later. Your ashes can be either mailed home to your family or collected by your designated contact person.

Its 10,000 Euros, not dollars. Read the "About" section on their website. It doesn't claim anywhere that its associated with Exit International.
 
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It does seem like a good organization...but expensive and so out of reach for many who could use it. There should be something like it here in the U.S., available to all adults of a sound mind, at a reasonable cost. We're still hung up on the Puritan religious ethic that some non-existent, invisible, mythological entity forbids you from taking your own life!

Are you a troll? Serious question.
Even though I can afford it, that doesn't mean I want to spend it! But you're right, your question is the one that I keep asking myself.

And as far as acceptance goes, as long as you are over 18 and not suffering from a mental illness--are rational and competent--you will be accepted.

This is completely untrue, wrong. Please stop trolling.
 
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fightingsioux

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Its 10,000 Euros, not dollars. Read the "About" section on their website. It doesn't claim anywhere that its associated with Exit International.
It's 10,000 Swiss francs, each franc worth $1.01.

Exit International has a close relationship with them, if you belong to Exit you don't have to become a Supporter of Pegasos for $100. Also look at the Exit International site, a large ad for Pegassos is on the front page.

So in other words, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, you have no real interest in this subject, you don't wish to add anything helpful or interesting to this thread, and you're only replying because on another thread I told you to stop labeling people and telling them to leave the forum.

Yep.
 
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fightingsioux

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Are you a troll? Serious question.


This is completely untrue, wrong. Please stop trolling.
What the hell are you talking about? You also into labeling folks? You run things around here?

I quoted the policy of Pegasos, not my opinion or yours: got to be over 18, no mental health issues. I don't give two craps whether or not you agree with this, it's their policy. Completely accurate and true, understand, it's their policy.

You're the troll. Like your buddy, not adding anything, just pursuing some stupid internet feud because you have nothing more meaningful to do.
 
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What the hell are you talking about? You also into labeling folks? You run things around here?

I quoted the policy of Pegasos, not my opinion or yours: got to be over 18, no mental health issues. I don't give two craps whether or not you agree with this, it's their policy. Completely accurate and true, understand, it's their policy.

You're the troll. Like your buddy, not adding anything, just pursuing some stupid internet feud because you have nothing more meaningful to do.

Double wow. I'll leave this to the moderators.
 
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I've reported you. Please stop.
Pegasos is an organization to help with voluntary assisted dying. It's perfectly acceptable to post about it here.

Stop harassing me, troll.
 
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Are you a troll? Serious question.


This is completely untrue, wrong. Please stop trolling.
The best thing to do with the trolls are report the posts. ;)
 
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The best thing to do with the trolls are report the posts. ;)

Yes I have done that and hopefully they are working on it.
 
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