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[Chinaski]

Who's hurting you by having conversations with these people though? I've seen you make so many posts about how "futile" these efforts are, but why do you even care lol. Have you even watched the "youtube clip?" You say "be my guest" but you clearly have qualms over others talking about our right to die. Btw: talking to them is not as useless as you think, based on what I've seen new members say and what people on twitter have said, one even directly linking my thread.

You ask why l even care, l return that question to you tbh. The article was powerful enough to prompt the resignation of the site administrator, l strongly believe it's best left to fade away from people's memories than reignited daily. I have been here sadly long enough to know that there is rarely an opportunity for histrionic drama-queenery on this site which goes untouched and this strikes me as such an occasion. This is less about folk fighting back against a trash article and more about people desperate to needlessly put themselves front and centre.

I'd also argue that if you want to fight a public relations battle with *actual media professionals* then it requires a bit more skill than churning out the GOD DAMN MAN I H8 PROLIFERS MAN THEY SUCK cringe content. As stated elsewhere, most people who are actually suicidal haven't the energy or inclination to do this. If people want to propel themselves as advocates for the suicidal that's up to them but l am not keen on people acting as representatives of this site, thinking they're a damn sight smarter than they are, thinking they can earn clout within this community, enabling those who want to end the site to paint the users in an even worse light.

Ultimately it's up to you, but frankly it doesn't matter if you change 100000 minds, those people will still want the site to be closed and will continue to have an influence that none of us here have, and a visible platform that the genuinely suicidal do not want. This is why it's futile. Nobody will get their peaceful pill this way, l can assure you.

 

[Itsallover123]

You ask why l even care, l return that question to you tbh. The article was powerful enough to prompt the resignation of the site administrator, l strongly believe it's best left to fade away from people's memories than reignited daily. I have been here sadly long enough to know that there is rarely an opportunity for histrionic drama-queenery on this site which goes untouched and this strikes me as such an occasion. This is less about folk fighting back against a trash article and more about people desperate to needlessly put themselves front and centre.

I'd also argue that if you want to fight a public relations battle with *actual media professionals* then it requires a bit more skill than churning out the GOD DAMN MAN I H8 PROLIFERS MAN THEY SUCK cringe content. As stated elsewhere, most people who are actually suicidal haven't the energy or inclination to do this. If people want to propel themselves as advocates for the suicidal that's up to them but l am not keen on people acting as representatives of this site, thinking they're a damn sight smarter than they are, thinking they can earn clout within this community, enabling those who want to end the site to paint the users in an even worse light.

Ultimately it's up to you, but frankly it doesn't matter if you change 100000 minds, those people will still want the site to be closed and will continue to have an influence that none of us here have, and a visible platform that the genuinely suicidal do not want. This is why it's futile. Nobody will get their peaceful pill this way, l can assure you.

Wheres this I h8 prolifers they suck cringe content?? I think you're mistaken, I'm not trying to speak to the NYT's writers, I'm trying to send a message to the readers who haven't formed a real opinion yet. I'm not trying to be some drama queen either, you're making hella assumptions in bad faith and as a result acting like some pretentious negative asshole. I mean clearly you haven't even bothered to read the original post. You say "most people who are actually suicidal haven't the energy or inclination to do this" as if most people are you, because what you're doing is projecting your own lame opinions as if you speak for the site, exactly what you accused me of doing. What's that even supposed to mean, "actually suicidal" "genuinely suicidal" is this some competition to you? Some sick joke? Regardless, what is actually futile is someone arguing for a perspective that helps absolutely nobody, you're not arguing for pro-life or pro-choice you're literally just arguing. To answer the first question, I care because it's unfair for us to have to face ridicule without giving our side of the story, and its a good opportunity to gain support. Many other members have given their thoughts towards the readers as well. But again, why do you care?

 

[Buffy5120]

The same people up in arms about suicide actively support the death penalty. Go figure

dont forger abortion! God what fucking idiots they are. Keli Katherine they dont understand euthanasia is very much legal in other countries, and will probably be in a few years here. This site is for people dealing with chronic illnesses that would be accepted in Switzerland Canada and Belgium. They are blaming Marquis for their bad parenting. Theres ways to block websites your kid uses. I just dont like how they lie and twist and say we lure chidren to kill themselves when thats not true.

 

[Chinaski]

Gain support for *what* exactly? This is a forum where the suicidal come to source a lethal drug, l doubt very few people are on the fence on this issue, just waiting to be persuaded.

And yes, speaking entirely for myself here but from my own experience of current and previous suicidality, an ideological battle with perceived dark forces is very much the last thing l am inclined to do, and l do strongly suspect the politics of suicide is lower in prioriority than the act itself to most who are at the brink. You may think this is "projection" but I'm confident very few people at the point of suicide go trawling through YouTube for pro-choice Ted talks.

Ultimately, If people are going to act as self-appointed ambassadors, advocates and mouthpieces for this whole forum, which many seem keen to do, it's absolutely fair imo that the members they seek to represent state any disapproval or discomfort, it kind of goes with the territory. Ultimately, whether people have come in good or bad faith, their mind is already made up. I doubt anyone has come from the NYT who would describe themselves as "undecided".

 

[Buffy5120]

I wish they all can live with our chronic illnesses, oh man do I just wish. They would instantly change their minds and ctb themselves. These people do not have any clue how painful our lives are bc of our unending illnesses. News flash, if most of us didnt have any of these illnesses, we wouldn't want to ctb. But yet they want to have a say in what we should do with our lives, when they haven't lived or suffered for one day of unending physical or mental pain. We have all tried countless and countless times, over and over again, and exhausted all fucking options to get better, for years! Theres either nothing left to try or no cure. So why cant you just leave us the fuck alone. And as a parent is your duty to monitor what your child does on their phone. There are countless ways to block websites, so stop with the bullshit. Lastly, they act like they are immune to ever getting any illnesses. What makes them think they wont get to this point that we are all at? They think all of us just popped out at birth and wanted to ctb. Dementia is real and so are so many other illnesses that go with old age. Karma will definitely show teach them a lesson or two when they are in a nursing home begging to die. Ignorant selfish fucks is what they are. Fuck fixthe26

 

[motel rooms]

Depends on the choice. Few are so isolated that their choices don't affect other people.

In other words, you're pro-choice only if the choice people end up making is to stay alive so as not to hurt other people?

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

I'm pro-choice if the person in question has fulfilled their contracts and obligations, or satisfactorily arranged to make the other party whole. If that person has dependant children, there is no way to avoid tremendous harm to the child by suiciding.

It's obviously a matter of degrees, since one could almost always find 'some' level of harm to others. But I would generally draw the line as said above. No harming a child. No harming others depending on you to fulfill your obligations.

 

[motel rooms]

I'm pro-choice if the person in question has fulfilled their contracts and obligations, or satisfactorily arranged to make the other party whole.

What? Contracts, obligations, making the other party whole? What?

If that person has dependant children, there is no way to avoid tremendous harm to the child by suiciding.

What if the parent is severely physically &/or mentally ill?

 

[*Psyche*]

Instead of putting all the focus on the right to die, which I completely support the rights of, a lot of this website is about support. That is the part that is heavily overlooked. This is a place where others find comfort in finding those that can relate, those that listen and those that do not judge and lecture. Nothing is more powerful than seeing you are not alone.

Look at the dates of a lot of the active members here. They go back many years. If this site was about about death, then that would not be the case.

It's not just about support, albeit, that's a huge reason this site is so helpful. This site also represents the extensive thought process & research that goes into ctb, too.

I think the article in the NYT was stereotyping individuals who ctb as impulsive. I'm all for free will, but what I haven't seen in the posts I've read is impulsively. It's like you said @4eyebiped a lot of these members have been here for years. When they've been on this site that long, talking about the various aspects of ctb but haven't taken that step yet, that is the antithesis of impulsiveness.

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

What? Contracts, obligations, making the other party whole? What?

What if the parent is severely physically &/or mentally ill?

People can suicide anytime they wish, but there is 'negative karma' if they cheat others by doing so.

Such a parent is less than ideal, but IMO the child would suffer greater harm if they self-terminate. In general, anyway. I haven't studied the effects of parent suicides, but that's my sense of it. I am a parent, btw.

 

[motel rooms]

People can suicide anytime they wish, but there is 'negative karma' if they cheat others by doing so.

So you're a lawyer who believes in karma? That must be extremely stressful.

I am a parent, btw.

So, no suicide for you ever no matter how bad your suffering gets?

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

So you're a lawyer who believes in karma? That must be extremely stressful.



So, no suicide for you ever no matter how bad your suffering gets?

Believing in not cheating people who don't deserve to be cheated is hardly the hallmark of a lawyer. It's more the practice of one who avoids the pitfalls and poor results obtained by substandard ethics.

And yes, apparently not, at least on this path. Suffering isn't a thing that never changes or resolves. It may seem immutable, and to have only one exit, but that's not always the case. I've had that experience, and for me the parent part played a large role in holding on during the endurance phase.

I read about a rat study recently. Briefly, they put rats in water containers they couldn't escape. After an average of around an hour, they assessed their situation as hopeless and gave up, stopped swimming and drowned. The second run they did the same, but just as each rat stopped swimming again at around an hour, they rescued the rat, put it in a regular cage with food and water, and gave it a few days to recover. When they put the rescued rats back into the water again, their average endurance time increased from one hour to 80 hours, because the experience of being rescued had essentially given them hope, which made an incredible difference in their ability to endure, and keep going.

It really did seem like it would never end. Then after some years it gradually began to. Wasn't thinking about this when I chose my username, but that was also around the time when I began growing and eating hot peppers. Mmm, physical pain. Anyway, everyone's experience is different. That was years ago, and am pretty happy to have made it through.

 

[motel rooms]

I'm pro-choice if the person in question has fulfilled their contracts and obligations, or satisfactorily arranged to make the other party whole.

People can suicide anytime they wish, but there is 'negative karma' if they cheat others by doing so.

That was years ago, and am pretty happy to have made it through.

I guess you're one of the new members who are into guilt-tripping those of us who are still suicidal... You should contact @…juulpod… so you can hold hands with them.

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

I guess you're one of the new members who are into guilt-tripping those of us who are still suicidal... You should contact @…juulpod… so you can hold hands with them.

If you wish to feel guilt over something, feel free. I have no objections.

 

[motel rooms]

If you wish to feel guilt over something, feel free. I have no objections.

Nah, your strategy doesn't work on me, you're gonna have to get your kicks from torturing someone else.

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

Nah, your strategy doesn't work on me, you're gonna have to get your kicks from torturing someone else.

It's not a strategy. This is my persona on all the sites. Nice accusation though. Do you find that tactic works very often?

 

[motel rooms]

Nice accusation though. Do you find that tactic works very often?

Yes, simply quoting people like you always works on here.

It's not a strategy. This is my persona on all the sites.

Congrats on your lovely judgmental & dry persona(lity).

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

Congrats on your lovely judgmental & dry persona(lity).

Thanks. There are so many people who lack judgement these days. And don't even get me started on dank and wet personalities.

 

[motel rooms]

Thanks. There are so many people who lack judgement these days.

Thank God we pro-choice morons have a charismatic polymath of your caliber to guide us.