if you used to be a pro lifer, what's the dumbest thing you remember saying or thinking?

[SufferingInDenmark]

here's mine: there was some viral video about a woman about to jump off a bridge... obviously suicide...
but some guy ran and caught her before she could jump.
and she got mad at him.
NOW i don't blame her, i totally get the logic.
but back then i was like "wow how dare she be mad, he just saved her life"...
but maybe that so called "life" wasn't something she wanted to "save", because it was more like torture.

so she DOES have a right to be mad at you.

and i know what they're gonna say: "what if things could be fixed for her?"
yeah maybe they could, but if she's already on the bridge, then probably not.
and it's not really up to others to decide those things for you.
there's exceptions, but in general.

 

[DeathByBananabread]

 

[livefastdieyoung]

i dont think i was ever truly pro life, but in the past and i guess outside of sasu i always try telling my friends who are feeling suicidal or depressed that im there for them and they shouldnt do it, itll get better blah blah.. although i kind of stopped that too now i just find myself saying im here if they want to talk, and if im really close to them ill just say i agree with them. i never really said these things because i believed it to be true, more that i just wanted to give them love and support, and usually that im too selfish to lose them.

 

[Sphinxi]

I still consider myself pro life, not only because I am generally opposed to abortion. I think most people who commit suicide do so for impulsive or otherwise bad reasons, and they will probably not want to ctb after a few months. If suicide is really a person's only option, then they can just ctb after being saved.

 

[Forveleth]

Oh god, this is embarrassing. I used to be one of those "why do they not just get treatment/be happy" people. Then I got actual, clinical depression and now I get it. Being sad/depressed is not a "choice" and sometimes it does not get better, even with treatment or maybe someone just does not want the treatment. Ugh, I used to be such an idiot.

 

[itsgone2]

Oh god, this is embarrassing. I used to be one of those "why do they not just get treatment/be happy" people. Then I got actual, clinical depression and now I get it. Being sad/depressed is not a "choice" and sometimes it does not get better, even with treatment or maybe someone just does not want the treatment. Ugh, I used to be such an idiot.

This is what we're up against though. Unless you personally experience what it's like, there's no way to know. So the vast majority of people are going to be pro life when it comes to suicide. So to have a safe option for any who want it seems impossible to ever happen. I wish I was one of them again. This knowledge is horrible

 

[kuroshimi]

I never considered myself a "pro-lifer", but every time I feel more and more numb about the suicide topic. I think everything in my head has come together when I get my first diagnosis.

 

[Forever Sleep]

If suicide is really a person's only option, then they can just ctb after being saved.

That's the scary part though- sometimes people pick up life altering injuries from a failed or iterrupted attempt- to the extent they may not be physically capable of trying again- without assistance. Which of course, won't be given.

Being on the radar for having previous attempt(s) also I imagine makes it much harder to get hold of more peaceful (relatively speaking) methods in future.

It was ages ago so, I doubt I'd find the link but a member once posted a video of parents standing around their now incapacitated and perhaps even mute child- saying how glad they were they survived. Maybe that child will go on to be grateful they were 'saved' but, it seems to me like their life just got even worse.

That's not to say I disagree with interrupting a very public attempt- why are they choosing then to do it even? One which will almost definitely fail or, to just show someone on the edge we are available to talk to- should they wish to.



But, in response to OP's question, I don't think I ever was all that pro-life. Seeing as I started having ideation from the age of ten. Even quite young, when suicide was represented in the media, I'd think- I don't blame you! Life can be shit.

 

[livefastdieyoung]

I still consider myself pro life, not only because I am generally opposed to abortion. I think most people who commit suicide do so for impulsive or otherwise bad reasons, and they will probably not want to ctb after a few months. If suicide is really a person's only option, then they can just ctb after being saved.

i mean since youre against abortion this probably wont make sense to you, but if a parent can choose to force a person to become alive, why cant a person choose for themselves to die or not. if we all die in the end it doesnt really matter. death only hurts the living after all.

at the end of the day i dont think people need to give anyone a reason for what they choose to do with their own body or their own life, its not like we wont die either way. i think its great that in this hellish society we atleast have one tiny thing we can control over our own autonomy, as more and more rights seem to be taken away each day. besides nobody can see the future, and a dead person cant really have regrets can they?

 

[Sphinxi]

i mean since youre against abortion this probably wont make sense to you, but if a parent can choose to force a person to become alive, why cant a person choose for themselves to die or not. if we all die in the end it doesnt really matter. death only hurts the living after all.

at the end of the day i dont think people need to give anyone a reason for what they choose to do with their own body or their own life, its not like we wont die either way. i think its great that in this hellish society we atleast have one tiny thing we can control over our own autonomy, as more and more rights seem to be taken away each day. besides nobody can see the future, and a dead person cant really have regrets can they?

I'm not sure I value autonomy to the extent that you do. I think that it is acceptable for society to critically look at why a person is making a decision, and if we should permit them to do so. For example, most drug addicts do not make life decisions with a clear mind, and so we should restrict their autonomy for their own good.

I would draw a distinction between a lucid suicide and a non lucid suicide, and say that we should allow the former and not allow the latter.

That's the scary part though- sometimes people pick up life altering injuries from a failed or iterrupted attempt- to the extent they may not be physically capable of trying again- without assistance. Which of course, won't be given.

Being on the radar for having previous attempt(s) also I imagine makes it much harder to get hold of more peaceful (relatively speaking) methods in future.

It was ages ago so, I doubt I'd find the link but a member once posted a video of parents standing around their now incapacitated and perhaps even mute child- saying how glad they were they survived. Maybe that child will go on to be grateful they were 'saved' but, it seems to me like their life just got even worse.

That's not to say I disagree with interrupting a very public attempt- why are they choosing then to do it even? One which will almost definitely fail or, to just show someone on the edge we are available to talk to- should they wish to.



But, in response to OP's question, I don't think I ever was all that pro-life. Seeing as I started having ideation from the age of ten. Even quite young, when suicide was represented in the media, I'd think- I don't blame you! Life can be shit.

This is certainly true, and I don't think I would save a person who chose a method that is likely to leave them in a state like that if they were to be saved.

 

[Obliviate]

I still consider myself pro life, not only because I am generally opposed to abortion. I think most people who commit suicide do so for impulsive or otherwise bad reasons, and they will probably not want to ctb after a few months. If suicide is really a person's only option, then they can just ctb after being saved.

Why the fuck are you here? If your only purpose here is to prevent people from suicide and share your inhumane ideologies, you're about to have a rude awakening. Pro lifers are like cockroaches on here. Most of us heavily dislike people like you as pro lifers are delusional and lack basic common sense and critical thinking skills. Are INCREDIBLE selfish and lack basic empathy which I can see from your posts. You don't think people should have autonomy? just inhumane. How weirdo. You're definitely an NPC player. No thought processing organizing center along with no original thoughts.

 

[Sphinxi]

Why the fuck are you here? If your only purpose here is to prevent people from suicide and share your inhumane ideologies, you're about to have a rude awakening. Pro lifers are like cockroaches on here. Most of us heavily dislike people like you as pro lifers are delusional and lack basic common sense and critical thinking skills. Are INCREDIBLE selfish and lack basic empathy which I can see from your posts. You don't think people should have autonomy? just inhumane. How weirdo. You're definitely an NPC player. No thought processing organizing center along with no original thoughts.

Lol. If you looked through my posts you would see that I am suicidal myself. This is a deranged reply

 

[whocaresnobodycares]

"If I was married, I'd live happily ever after."

or "If I had a girlfriend (etc)" I eventually figured out I was pansexual then had many lousy dates that never lead to a second date. but eventually stopped "trying too hard" to "be a Nice Guy," and acted more genuine/ realistic and somehow stumbled into being "more confident" (which was mostly just a matter of getting a job and my own place, not my parents'*, and accumulated enough experiences, books I'd read, shows/ movies/ plays/ monologues/ paintings/ documentaries/ poetry nights I'd seen, to carry on a friggin conversation, THEN I started getting occasional good sex with various types of people, just about 10 or so in my life besides about 30 dating attempts that went into the toilet.
Now I'm old, and don't really have money, time, apartment, or desire for sex or socializing. When Craigslist "Casual Encounters" died because "OMG PEOPLE SEX-TRAFFIC ON THERE!!" (what a bunch of hysterical horseshit), that fucked things up. Now I'm trying not to drink, i.e. go to dances/ karaoke in bars., or the like.... and I'm kinda going through male menopause (I'm almost 56; the last few times I wanked, it genuinely hurt; didn't feel good at all)(and no, I don't have cancer. The good thing about 3 trips to the emergency room in the last year due to liver damage and extreme illness from drinking vodka all day every day is that I've had lots of blood work, CAT scans, ultrasound scans, so know I don't have cancer).
Also, DUH, divorce rates are over 50%, and "happy" couples get depressed, have fights, live in silent rage at each other, etc. so it was a very dumb belief to begin with.

*I'm not saying you CAN'T be broke or in your parents' house and find a Love of Your Life. Like McCartney said, money can't buy you love, only widen your opportunities.... but look at Bezos, his wife divorced him, look at actors who never get married despite fame and riches, or get divorced (hi, Brad Pitt) so a mansion, wealth beyond your dreams, and good looks won't even guarantee a good relationship nor (my main point) will a relationship or love "solve your problems." Sometimes, the problems have just begun. Your lovely spouse and you could have kids, then one kid could die in a car crash, another may OD, another may CTB on purpose, and then your wife gets inoperable tumors. You get the idea.

 

[Obliviate]

Lol. If you looked through my posts you would see that I am suicidal myself. This is a deranged reply

The only thing deranged are your posts on this thread. You're a literal walking contradiction. You say you're pro life, against abortion, devalue autonomy etc all things weirdo pro lifers think and then make posts about suicide, you look down upon people who use drugs and then make a post about abusing sleeping pills.

THAT is deranged. I can see your new. Weirdo Pro lifers are looked down upon here for your inhumane views. We don't have great experience with pro lifers, they come here under disguise to "expose" and cause panic and fear monger by spreading lies. All they wanna do is prevent us from OUR BODILY AUTONOMY. You need to be on a watch list.

I'm not sure I value autonomy to the extent that you do. I think that it is acceptable for society to critically look at why a person is making a decision, and if we should permit them to do so. For example, most drug addicts do not make life decisions with a clear mind, and so we should restrict their autonomy for their own good.

I would draw a distinction between a lucid suicide and a non lucid suicide, and say that we should allow the former and not allow the latter.

This is certainly true, and I don't think I would save a person who chose a method that is likely to leave them in a state like that if they were to be saved.

Just weirdo thinking.

 

[Sphinxi]

The only thing deranged are your posts on this thread. You're a literal walking contradiction. You say you're pro life, against abortion, devalue autonomy etc all things weirdo pro lifers think and then make posts about suicide, you look down upon people who use drugs and then make a post about abusing sleeping pills.

THAT is deranged. I can see your new. Weirdo Pro lifers are looked down upon here for your inhumane views.

Just weirdo thinking.

Did you even read my post? It's a pretty elementary argument:

I would draw a distinction between a lucid suicide and a non lucid suicide, and say that we should allow the former and not allow the latter.

Thinking that what I say here is somehow contradictory is a myopic viewpoint, sorry

 

[Obliviate]

Did you even read my post? It's a pretty elementary argument:

Thinking that what I say here is somehow contradictory is a myopic viewpoint, sorry

Do you even have critical thinking skills and basic common sense? It's a pretty elementary neural pathway connection.