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What for? Those videos are not going to make me less dysphoric, lol. Blaire White is a privileged right wing idiot.
She is indeed lucky. But she's received a lot of hate for her being conservative and questioning the whole trans identity politics, even as a trans person. Things can often go wrong with transitioning. Why I referred you to her along with some others is to remind you you're not alone. Believe it or not, when she started her own YouTube, she ended up making enemies with her own roommate, and a gay dude who's also a roommate tried to stab her. I deadass.

Having said that, my question is... what is causing your dysphoria anyway?
 
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Having said that, my question is... what is causing your dysphoria anyway?
I have an inherent dislike and disgust towards the male body and all things male entails as a whole while I strongly desire to be as beautiful and attractive and feminine as your average attractive cis woman.
 
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I have an inherent dislike and disgust towards the male body and all things male entails as a whole while I strongly desire to be as beautiful and attractive and feminine as your average attractive cis woman.
I see... now why is that? Or... why do you dislike the idea of being male. Not judging you, I'm sorta trying to better understand the cause and gain a better insight.
 
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I see... now why is that? Or... why do you dislike the idea of being male. Not judging you, I'm sorta trying to better understand the cause and gain a better insight.
because I am grossed out by the male body, and being male seems incredibly bland. Women are beautiful and have more options to customize their appearance. I don't like looking in the mirror and seeing a body that grosses me out. There's also nothing that I want to do that I can't do as an attractive female.
 
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because I am grossed out by the male body, and being male seems incredibly bland. Women are beautiful and have more options to customize their appearance. I don't like looking in the mirror and seeing a body that grosses me out. There's also nothing that I want to do that I can't do as an attractive female.
Hum... You've got a good point... 🤔
There isn't a whole lot you could do with a man's body... apart from working out. And to be perfectly honest, it's a lot of work being a man.

As a woman, you could probably find better opportunities.

Somehow I've lost track of what this thread is about, and I guess it could be why I've misunderstood this post. And and for that, I'm sorry. But assuming I'm correct now, whatever you do, I'd do some research and weigh out the pros and cons, especially depending on what you do, it could change your life forever. I wish you luck!
 
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Hum... You've got a good point... 🤔
There isn't a whole lot you could do with a man's body... apart from working out. And to be perfectly honest, it's a lot of work being a man.

As a woman, you could probably find better opportunities.

Somehow I've lost track of what this thread is about, and I guess it could be why I've misunderstood this post. And and for that, I'm sorry. But assuming I'm correct now, whatever you do, I'd do some research and weigh out the pros and cons, especially depending on what you do, it could change your life forever. I wish you luck!
Well, if you're referring to pros and cons about transitioning, I have long decided that transitioning isn't something I am willing to consider. I have long decided on CTBing. I wanted to have the full upbringing of female start to finish, and I have several other reasons for not transitioning.

I believe this thread is about the trans community (particularly those privilaged with passing) trying to diminish the importance of passing in an attempt to prevent trans people who don't pass from CTBing, for one reason or another.
 
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Well, if you're referring to pros and cons about transitioning, I have long decided that transitioning isn't something I am willing to consider. I have long decided on CTBing. I wanted to have the full upbringing of female start to finish, and I have several other reasons for not transitioning.
I see... I'm sorry then...
Though if I may, what else stops you?
I believe this thread is about the trans community (particularly those privilaged with passing) trying to diminish the importance of passing in an attempt to prevent trans people who don't pass from CTBing, for one reason or another.
Hahaha... Oh, my... I guess I totally misunderstood then. Hope OP sees this and realizes I didn't mean to goof up like this... 😅

Anyway, I definitely do understand that part at least. Some are lucky to pass off as a cis woman/man and can live life as normal as such. But others who don't, they do have the short end of the stick... not to say it's impossible to succeed, but they'll have to work extra hard for it... like an ugly person does compared to average or attractive counterparts.
 
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I see... I'm sorry then...
Though if I may, what else stops you?

Hahaha... Oh, my... I guess I totally misunderstood then. Hope OP sees this and realizes I didn't mean to goof up like this... 😅

Anyway, I definitely do understand that part at least. Some are lucky to pass off as a cis woman/man and can live life as normal as such. But others who don't, they do have the short end of the stick... not to say it's impossible to succeed, but they'll have to work extra hard for it... like an ugly person does compared to average or attractive counterparts.
1. Crotch scarring = ew. I dont self harm because i hate scarring on the body.
2. Too costly. Need to have a lot of money to have EVERY needed surgery to have a chance of passing (bottom surgery, facial feminization surgery, vocal cord surgery)
3. Not guaranteed to pass even with the above
4. Its important that i was born start to finish female. I'm traumatized by being male. Damage has already been done.
5. Takes 5 years at least for all surgeries. I can hardly get out of bed each day, let alone for 5 years to achieve a result that is dubious at best.
6. Dont want to be on E and dilate for the rest of my life
7. Im in my 30s. By the time transitioning is finished, ill be in my 40s. Best years of womanhood is 20s and early 30s.
8. The body would feel unatural to me.

Others may be okay with any of what I listed, but I am not.
 
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1. Crotch scarring = ew. I dont self harm because i hate scarring on the body.
2. Too costly. Need to have a lot of money to have EVERY needed surgery to have a chance of passing (bottom surgery, facial feminization surgery, vocal cord surgery)
3. Not guaranteed to pass even with the above
4. Its important that i was born start to finish female. I'm traumatized by being male. Damage has already been done.
5. Takes 5 years at least for all surgeries. I can hardly get out of bed each day, let alone for 5 years to achieve a result that is dubious at best.
6. Dont want to be on E and dilate for the rest of my life
7. Im in my 30s. By the time transitioning is finished, ill be in my 40s. Best years of womanhood is 20s and early 30s.
8. The body would feel unatural to me.

Others may be okay with any of what I listed, but I am not.
Very understandable. I'm sorry it had to be this way for you.
 
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Services like translifeline I assume can do a lot for trans youngsters who are on the edge due to an abusive environment (if you are one for the love of god do not identify with any of what is being said here and save yourself while you still can).

But what can they do for us that are way past our expiry date? What does the mainstream discourse such hotlines represent have to say to someone like DDTD? It will start by invalidating each of the feelings from the list above. You hate body scarring? That invalidates other people's surgeries. Bad, very bad. The larger society will despise you for not passing. The trans community and co. will mock you for not passing and then guilt-trip you over needing to pass.

Depersonalisation may be an answer here. Empty clichés about how everyone is beautiful and valid are not.
 
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Who told you that 20s and 30s were best years of women's lives??
 
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Well, being at a point in life where you have already had the opportunity to accomplish something or establish a network of deep social connections must be quite satisfactory too. If only crippling dysphoria wouldn't make that kind of thing impossible..
 
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Well, being at a point in life where you have already had the opportunity to accomplish something or establish a network of deep social connections must be quite satisfactory too. If only crippling dysphoria wouldn't make that kind of thing impossible..
Accomplishments are meaningless if you're forced to do them in a body you absolutely detest.
 
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Idk. I wouldn't go that far. I would say they are meaningful regardless, even though it might be much harder to derive joy from that meaning if one is dysphoric.
 
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Being young and full of life is better than aging and having beauty fade.
Better for whom? Like is this something that women are self-reporting or something that men are saying about them?

Really I think you'd need to look at what women have said on the matter, AFTER they've lived through a good many decades - like look at studies of women in their 60s and 70s being asked what years of their life were 'the best' - just to start to get accurate and reliable ideas about this.
 
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Better for whom? Like is this something that women are self-reporting or something that men are saying about them?

Really I think you'd need to look at what women have said on the matter, AFTER they've lived through a good many decades - like look at studies of women in their 60s and 70s being asked what years of their life were 'the best' - just to start to get accurate and reliable ideas about this.
Honestly, I am not going to simply because it doesn't change my dysphoria, or how I feel about being male.

And even if I was to agree with you on that and knock that off my reasons for not transitioning, there's still 7 other really good reasons for me not transitioning. To be completely honest, I am not sure what the goal was for you to debate that with me, as I mentioned in the first sentence above, it makes no impact on how I feel about my dysphoria.

The only thing I will say in regards to your statement, is it is assumed by me since from my perspective being young and attractive is so much better than being old and aging as a female. That is genuinely how I feel on the matter.
 
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Honestly, I am not going to simply because it doesn't change my dysphoria, or how I feel about being male.

And even if I was to agree with you on that and knock that off my reasons for not transitioning, there's still 7 other really good reasons for me not transitioning. To be completely honest, I am not sure what the goal was for you to debate that with me, as I mentioned in the first sentence above, it makes no impact on how I feel about my dysphoria.

The only thing I will say in regards to your statement, is it is assumed by me since from my perspective being young and attractive is so much better than being old and aging as a female. That is genuinely how I feel on the matter.
Ok, my point is not to tell you what to do with your body. My point is that these are unfounded generalizations about women.
 
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Ok, my point is not to tell you what to do with your body. My point is that these are unfounded generalizations about women.
Fair enough. I can only speak on my preference and my preference is I would rather be female start to finish so I can enjoy being young and attractive, as opposed to transitioning and starting womanhood in my 40s in addition to the dubious results of transitioning. I guess it depends on your reasons for wanting to be female in the first place.
 
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Aren't older trans people killing themselves too, though? What about people who will never be able to transition? What does the community have to say about that? I feel like nobody cares as long as we don't openly identify as trans, at which point we become a liability.
Of course, although the media doesn't put the same amount of care to the older trans people who do so. There are absolutely people in the trans community, whether they are open or not, who are erased or neglected by both media and common discussion. There are spaces that exist, but they can be more niche or difficult to access. The trans community is not a monolith and struggles with what many other marginalized and other communities do, a wide variety of experiences, opinions, and perspectives. So making any generalized statement does come with the caveat that there are ten other differing opinions that follow.
I don't think of anyone as a liability. There are conversations to be had about how the media uses suicide in the trans community as a political point, though.
 
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According to the overwhelmingly passable, respectability obsessed, "thought leaders" of the trans community hurting alive is preferable than a self-inflicted death no matter what. Trying to spare oneself years of excruciating pain is apparently some sort of disloyalty in the eyes of those same people who won't move a finger for you nor hesitate to sneer at an old transitioner's appearance with almost any pretext. When did the community abandon humanistic principles in favor of religious ones? Why is you do you not good enough? Does it simply have to do with the fear that any suicide would reflect negatively on the community as a whole in some way?
I'm trans myself and I honestly stopped associating with the trans community. It's either non dysphoric trans people who are content with being visible and have minimal dysphoria, and who honestly seem like nerdy guys or ultra passing people who transitioned at 13 due to favorable circumstances and can't relate to the psychological pain that untreated dysphoria can cause especially if you can't afford FFS or other necessary treatments.

I've already reached the point of no return after escorting for a while for surgeries in order to alleviate my dysphoria and since I couldn't get off on it, I was shamed and called a baby by other trans girls who view escorting as some sort of sexual liberation lifestyle, ended up in the psych ward because I couldn't keep doing it and I have since given up on saving for surgeries because if I escort again for money I WILL end up psychotic. I can't function at a 9-5 job due to the severe dysphoria as it causes me to become so anxious that I have been unable to hold down the jobs, and my vagus response is absolutely obliterated and I have passed out multiple times and been fired from those jobs, in addition to being verbally harassed by management and my peers just for existing.

I ended up severely depressed, suicidal, and no longer feel comfortable with my body and my identity, and having it used as a commodity by multiple men in order to try to get surgeries that I *need* but which people consider *elective* has completely obliterated any semblance of self worth I ever had, dealing with all the losses in life I won't get to experience due to not being cis passing/being so physically repulsed by body to function, and I having to contend with that plus the lack of family supports due to being abandoned by a religious family, and being raised by a unstable single mother, not having any friends to rely on etc.

As much as the trans community or popular trans spokespeople villify their fellow trans women who have unfortunately had to end their lives due to the immense suffering some of us experience, the high suicide rates will continue to be sky high, at least for those who don't come from wealthier families or are born with a modicum of peivelage that offsets the struggles.

If I was you I'd stop associating with other trans people as a whole, most of them are valid, shallow, and sexualize themselves as a way to feel empowered, or they are autistic video game / anime addict men who have transitioned simply because they enjoy sissification, and wanted a fetish identity, and if you don't fit into that you are one of the loser trans girls. I don't identify with any of them.

For me escaping being trans has been my goal but since I can't escape that and I'm forced to live under that label and be visible it's not a life I wish to live anymore.

I'm 24 now and started escorting at 19, and was expected to finance my transition and deal with dysphoria and everything by myself. Since I can't finish it I am going to die. I'm so tired. And my body is so tarnished. Not just physically but I genuinely believe I am spiritually destroyed after all the degrading things I had to do with this body. I literally feel like something inside me died and it won't come back.
All marginalised communities want to showcase motivational success stories, rather than draw too much attention to the individuals who are still struggling, or who couldn't bear their suffering anymore and decided to leave this world instead to escape it. Focusing on these harsh realities, on those who didn't make it, is bad for morale and few people want to really sit there pondering on the pain and suffering that others experience through no fault of their own.

That's why we see disabled olympians in news stories, homeless people who have escaped the streets to become affluent business owners, or refugees who have overcome their traumatic circumstances to become motivational speakers or community leaders. We like to see inspirational stories that instill hope and belief that the underdogs in society can achieve victories too, against all odds.

However, only wanting to see these positive accounts masks the real, ongoing issues that plague disadvantaged populations. In the trans community specifically, I think many of the voices in the media come from affluent American backgrounds, think supermodels, comedians and youtubers/streamers from New York or California who had loving family members supporting their transition, and access to the best doctors and surgical teams. This is not even vaguely representative of the community as a whole.

One of the big elephants in the room that plagues the trans community (and indeed, many others as well) is that those who have a good support network simply cannot empathise with those whose families abused them, cut them off, and ostracised them because of their identity. The message that gets sent out is, "You should be able to function on your own, prioritise moving out and it will magically get better, you don't need anyone else. Just love yourself."

It is callousness and terrible advice, because this isolation leaves a high number of trans people at risk of becoming suicidal or carrying out the act. Telling an 18 year old adolescent with no resources that they need to leave their family NOW and try to survive on their own while solely bearing the burden of financing their transition is toxic.

There really is no support out there for those who have been left behind by their family and friends. When I was underage, a therapist told me that everything would be better when I turned 18, because I would have freedom from my homphobic family. Guess what? It just opened the door for more abuse, because I was a vunerable person out there on my own, and others knew this. I still had the mind of a child but was expected to function like an adult. This happens to so many LGBT people that it's unbelievable. Especially those from countries and cultures where it is heavily taboo.

Not to mention, many trans people are autistic or suffer from other comorbid illnesses and disabilities, making their lives even more challenging. These people are shunned even more, because they are unlikely to be glamorized media personalities. These are the demographics which truly need help and support, yet find themselves silenced because they aren't oozing optimism and hope.

We need to be able to speak about the issues and problems plaguing society if we ever want them to change, but I think over the last decade especially, the Overton window has shifted towards covering up, silencing, and censoring those who criticise mental health industry dogmas, and this includes pushing a very specific narrative about suicidal people.

It is easier to pretend the issues that make people suicidal don't exist in first place, as opposed to acknowledging and addressing them. One specific example I can think of is trans people who had botched surgeries. When these people share the painful reality that a surgeon messed up their body and made their dysphoria worse, they get shut down, because people think that someone sharing their bad experiences will put others off from "accessing treatment".

They sing the same tune when someone also expresses displeasure at the failures of the mental health system. When meds or therapists didn't help them, their lived experience is suddenly dangerous misinformation that needs to be shut down and kept under lock and key, lest an observer get the inclination not to take their prozac anymore. By covering these things up, the situation only gets worse and worse, because nothing can improve when everyone is forced to pretend it's all A okay.

Deep down, I think some people are also a bit insecure about the level at which they do lust for life or have made peace with death, and they are afraid that being around a suicidal person will put their own beliefs, fears, and emotions into question. Once again, bad for morale. Telling everyone else they have to live no matter what can be an effective method of assuaging one's own fears about death, or the fact that misfortune circumstances could very well befall them someday.

Acknowledging that life can be miserable to the point where another person wants out is something harrowing and ugly to many people. Especially if the issues causing someone to be suicidal don't really have a solution at present.

It is not easy for most people to see the cruelty of removing one's agency and choice, because in their minds, life has to be something good and sacred no matter what, so by that moral code they believe they are are doing everyone a favor by enforcing strict prevention. You have to be a survivor, rather than a statistic. It is a hard pill to swallow that many people can and do fight their assess off for years just to survive, and still aren't happy. Our culture can't accept that just having the choice, the option to bow out when things get unbearable, can bring a world of relief to some people who have exhausted all their options.
Ah, summed up beautifully.
 
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I wish I could kms by blowing this disgusting body to pieces, frankly.
 
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