High IQ can be a curse as well. Everything that falls outside 'normal' range creates potential for problems. If there is someone to blame, blame normies not high IQ people.
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Doom
Student
- Nov 21, 2022
- 108
Unintelligent people are only happy if they are not aware of their own inferiority, have no external pressure to demand greatness and are content with the petty life they lead. However, I'm not that kind of person. I am perfectly aware of my inferiority, I am not content with spending my entire life working all day and earning little. Money would solve at least 50% of my problems.
I'm somewhat ambitious, I don't accept my mediocrity.
I disagree that intelligence solves nothing. It's the opposite. Every(or at least most of them) unfortune in our lives is a consequence of our ignorance. If you could solve all your problems, you'd solve your suicidal ideation and you wouldn't even be here in the first place. Makes no sense to say that intelligence can be a burden, since your own burden is precisely due to a certain ignorance you have about your own life, which is why you cannot solve it.
People as smart as they are, still are not omniscient. Everyone have their own ignorance and their own problems and that's why even the smartest can end up in an unhappy life.
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jawdropped123
Experienced
- Mar 19, 2022
- 202
Bad grammar, bad sentence structure and misspellings doesnt equal intelligence....because the majority of people that have these are not american or from england. Im not american but i can speak four languages. I may not be the most intelligent but even i know this fact
That's because it doesn't.
I think this discussion would be more appropriate in the Off Topic Forum.
This discussion is part of this thread.
I was reading through this, interesting to get other people's perspective.
Grammar and Intelligence
Is there a correlation? Can anyone here honestly say that proper use of grammar is indicative (either in part or completely) of the level of intelligence (or g, I know that intelligence is a broad term so I will limit the definition of it to a combination of the ability to learn relatively...
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LookingOverTheEdge
Hello Darkness my old friend
- Jul 13, 2020
- 356
I was given the gift of intelligence. And I wish I never had it. I genuinely believe ignorance is bliss.
Doom
Student
- Nov 21, 2022
- 108
That's because it doesn't.
This discussion is part of this thread.
I was reading through this, interesting to get other people's perspective.
Grammar and Intelligence
Is there a correlation? Can anyone here honestly say that proper use of grammar is indicative (either in part or completely) of the level of intelligence (or g, I know that intelligence is a broad term so I will limit the definition of it to a combination of the ability to learn relatively...
There is a logic behind all grammar, some are even quite complex like my language for example, so clearly you have to be smart to learn grammar. Someone with an intellectual disability can be educated to write correctly, yes, but how good that individual's will be?
You don't expect a goof to become as good as a famous poet just because they spent years educating themselves.
Doom
Student
- Nov 21, 2022
- 108
First I agree with a lot of your points!! Well spoken. I honestly see you arguing both sides and maybe you just need to put them together. For example, you mention that everybody has their own ignorance, even the smartest people, and that unhappiness is due to ignorance. But contrarily you mention a deep desire to be more intelligent and I interpret your post as saying you are suffering because you are not as intelligent. Do you see the contradiction?
By your own words and (highly reasonable) critique of intelligent people, your gaining intelligence would not put you in a better position. I think you tell yourself it would, because you'd have more money for example. I hope you find the following an inviting interpretation and an extension of a friendly hand.
I think you are intelligent. I think are so because you are unsettled in your box and you want to expand beyond your limitations. Besides that, what else could intelligence possibly be? I think you are suffering from a relational problem. I think you have high intelligence, but perhaps others put you in a low intelligence place or you doubt yourself, and now you look "over the fence" at all the "cool intelligent kids" and feel jealousy, anger and hopelessness. I think you may be self limiting your own expansion, or worried that your mind can't do what you need it to do.
But I think you can reclaim your confidence in your own intelligence and go places that you want to go. Its not me puffing you up, only telling you this because you're bringing a high level discussion to the group and I'm here for that. If you were low intelligence the conversation does not flow like this.
Also I want to add that the pain of intelligence is knowing you are limited. The more promotions I got, the more I was involved in meetings where I knew nothing, yet people still looked at me for what to do. Intelligent people know they are limited and it hurts. I run a record label. That means I have to think like an attorney, a distributor, an audio engineer,a musician and countless other roles. I fantasize that what if I was "smart" like my attorney. Then I could write my own legal contacts to better serve me. Or if I had the intelligence of a business analyst then I could better pinpoint my label on the social map. I feel great despair that I'm not "smart" like all these people but what I'm really feeling is the lack of time or energy to master all these topics. In fact, I'll forever be in the dark on most everything I ever touch. I will always be working with people smarter then me. It's a mistake for me to interpret that as a lack of intelligence. The "smarter" I get, the more I am dependent on people who know more than me. I had an existential crisis one day imagining how a refrigerator works. I'll never be a refrigerator operator and yet I'm dependent on the mechanic. The further I go, the more I'm in a room of people who can talk circles around. But that's the exciting part of intellectual development. It's a wonderful thing to be "dim". I hope this makes sense and is helpful
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ksp
Arcanist
- Oct 1, 2022
- 435
Sorry to say this but there was a time when I was among the arrogant intelligent people. Yes I was proud of it. But time has taken it's turn. I had to learn the reality of life in a painful way. I have asked forgiveness from few on face to face. From some I asked forgiveness through message.
Now I don't judge people. I don't feel proud. I am ashamed of what I was. Now I am humbly waiting for the day when I have enough courage to kill myself.
I thought I was smart all this time. I was really good and top of the class until 15yrs or so. Then as my hormones started to wreak havoc with my mind and my studies went down. I entered college a bit late, few years later than I should be. Then I picked up studies fairly well but not to the level as earlier but much more better than many of my peers. Somehow in my career I did not excel because I did not like my profession at all. My mind was all over. I wanted to do a lot of things in my life. I never thought about making money even though I could have made good amount of money in my profession. I always thought money as evil. I wanted achieve things considered intellectual. I read well, have a curious mind and expanded my horizons but never achieved to show. Lately I started to question my intelligence as I have nothing to show whether it is monetary success or intellectual achievement. Then out of curiosity I took a IQ test very first time and guess what? My IQ is bordering average. Does that explain? Or am I just lazy? I used to be little cocky thinking I am smart but I am shattered now.
In early 2000s iq tests were hotter than anything else.it was a radio topic, television entertainment, internet quiz. People started talking fast and stringent. It was the beginning of a lot of the" self services", and "smart products.". Always the recurring word "smart". It was use to revere, to insult, and to sell. You could not find products that didn't have, or wasn't somehow tagged with it. Human gestures like Eyebrow raising and Einstein thounge were common. Or they would shame you severely if they had to explain things twice. The endless quizzing and smartassery. Questions about your virginity were replaced by questions about your iq. Worst was they expected you to follow their line of thought and understand it instantly. You could hear them say " as I pointed out", "i have said it twice", "it's on the wall". Some even spell checked the heck out you. Being smart is fine, but I don't care how smart people think. I think with own brain. And the secret to solving problems is to allow yourself to be dumb. Cos a lot of the dumb stuff isn't dumb at all. And if it is, so fucking what?
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theboy
Illuminated
- Jul 15, 2022
- 3,006
Jarni
Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
- Dec 12, 2020
- 374
We are all a dumb for somebody. There will always be people more intelligent than us... But it is really good to find a talent. It needs lots of tests in different domains.
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TBH your analysis and conclusions points that you are pretty smart, you are just painfully aware of your own limitations. Quoting Shakespeare
"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
If you think your IQ is preventing you from getting a good job, it is probably not your IQ but something different like problems with motivation or other emotional problems.
Doom
Student
- Nov 21, 2022
- 108
I don't see contradiction.
And sure, intel would put me in a better position, when I'm right in that hole due to lack of it.
I mean, there are multiple intelligences, so defining exactly what "intelligence" is is tricky, but it's easy to tell when someone doesn't have it. When they does not demonstrate great skills, difficulty in memorizing and understanding what most people would easily understand, it is a clear indication of below average iq. Im not smart for wanting to get out of my box either, that's just a instinctive reaction to the suffering my limitations have caused me.
""A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." "Also I want to add that the pain of intelligence is knowing you are limited"
If you were less smart, you would definitely depend more on people and still be exploited by them. I think being aware of your own limitations has more to do with your own personal experiences; it means you are being tested and forced to confront your own limitations. Anyone regardless of their intelligence can reach the arrogance to believe they are only wise and have no limits , that just means they still haven't found a test to match their skills yet or haven't even been tested at all.
And sure, intel would put me in a better position, when I'm right in that hole due to lack of it.
I mean, there are multiple intelligences, so defining exactly what "intelligence" is is tricky, but it's easy to tell when someone doesn't have it. When they does not demonstrate great skills, difficulty in memorizing and understanding what most people would easily understand, it is a clear indication of below average iq. Im not smart for wanting to get out of my box either, that's just a instinctive reaction to the suffering my limitations have caused me.
""A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." "Also I want to add that the pain of intelligence is knowing you are limited"
If you were less smart, you would definitely depend more on people and still be exploited by them. I think being aware of your own limitations has more to do with your own personal experiences; it means you are being tested and forced to confront your own limitations. Anyone regardless of their intelligence can reach the arrogance to believe they are only wise and have no limits , that just means they still haven't found a test to match their skills yet or haven't even been tested at all.
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pretty based thread. people always like to jump in and claim that "b-but high IQ people suffer too! it's such a burden!"
verbal intellect online can be easily manufactured, and appeals to external opinion, not obviating the actual effort required to articulate and structure ones writing in a way which doesn't deviate from the popular conception of 'good' writing. analytic thinking is far less ambiguous, so i think that it's generally a better indicator for intellect outside of empirical measurement. dyslexia won't qualify you as unintelligent, but dyscalculia will
verbal intellect online can be easily manufactured, and appeals to external opinion, not obviating the actual effort required to articulate and structure ones writing in a way which doesn't deviate from the popular conception of 'good' writing. analytic thinking is far less ambiguous, so i think that it's generally a better indicator for intellect outside of empirical measurement. dyslexia won't qualify you as unintelligent, but dyscalculia will
EvisceratedJester
|| What Else Could I Be But a Jester ||
- Oct 21, 2023
- 2,888
I had a friend in elementary school who was very smart. They were considered to be gifted I think. I remember feeling crushed and holding a grudge against them the day when I found out that they were talking behind my back, complaining to others about how annoying and dumb I was. It hurt a lot at the time, especially since the year before, when they were out of the country, I was dealing with a lot of thoughts about wanting to die and had been wishing that they'd come back. A small part of me still hates them for that, despite the fact I understand that she was just a kid at the time. The worst part though, is growing up to realize that they were right. I was always aware of the fact that I wasn't very smart, but just how dumb I was is something that took time for me to fully realize.
It takes me longer to understand most things in comparison to my peers and I literally have to idiot-proof my notes because I know how easy it is for me to become overwhelmed with feelings of confusion. I'm pretty talented at making people who don't know me very well think I'm smart. It's pretty easy when you are a quiet person since most people seem to associate being quiet and reserved with high intellect (at least in certain settings). It's also easy to trick people into thinking that you are smart when having to interact with them since you just need to word things just right.
Some people like to call themselves dumb as a way to sound humble or relatable and it tends to bother me a lot. Idiocy is something that you literally feel in every part of your being. It's something that goes beyond making simple mistakes or accidents, like pulling a door that you have to push to open or misplacing something when you weren't thinking. It runs much deeper than that. It's reflected in how you think and perceive the world around you. It's demonstrated through how much effort it takes for you to learn things that all your peers can grasp in seconds. Sometimes, I can't help but feel a pang of jealousy when I hear about things in regard to my brother's intellect, which is pathetic since he is a lot younger than me. He's objectively very smart for his age (he's been tested), meanwhile I remember having to work much harder when I was younger to even get by. It's humiliating knowing how far behind I am from my peers. I probably would not have even graduated from high school if it weren't for the pandemic. My stupidity is something that contributes to my self-hatred and suicidal ideation.
It takes me longer to understand most things in comparison to my peers and I literally have to idiot-proof my notes because I know how easy it is for me to become overwhelmed with feelings of confusion. I'm pretty talented at making people who don't know me very well think I'm smart. It's pretty easy when you are a quiet person since most people seem to associate being quiet and reserved with high intellect (at least in certain settings). It's also easy to trick people into thinking that you are smart when having to interact with them since you just need to word things just right.
Some people like to call themselves dumb as a way to sound humble or relatable and it tends to bother me a lot. Idiocy is something that you literally feel in every part of your being. It's something that goes beyond making simple mistakes or accidents, like pulling a door that you have to push to open or misplacing something when you weren't thinking. It runs much deeper than that. It's reflected in how you think and perceive the world around you. It's demonstrated through how much effort it takes for you to learn things that all your peers can grasp in seconds. Sometimes, I can't help but feel a pang of jealousy when I hear about things in regard to my brother's intellect, which is pathetic since he is a lot younger than me. He's objectively very smart for his age (he's been tested), meanwhile I remember having to work much harder when I was younger to even get by. It's humiliating knowing how far behind I am from my peers. I probably would not have even graduated from high school if it weren't for the pandemic. My stupidity is something that contributes to my self-hatred and suicidal ideation.
WhatPowerIs
Paragon
- Jun 19, 2022
- 959
It is weird how so many intelligent people I know in life are also graced with other remarkable qualities such as physical beauty or a natural charisma. I think it is true some people really are just given everything in life and it all comes down to luck.
