IF there's an afterlife, are we fucked if we ctb?

[Journeytoletgo]

You're confusing physics (Newton's third law of motion - whenever two objects interact, they exert equal and opposite forces on each other; every action in the physical world has an equal and opposite reaction) with the purely spiritual, unprovable principle of cause and effect that is karma.

Okay thank you for that correction.

No. If an existence is so painful and harsh that people want to commit suicide, then it is the creator of said reality that has "screwed up", and not those who are wanting to leave by taking their own lives. Assuming for a minute that an all-powerful entity does exist - they have a lot to answer for, so they are in (or will be in) no position to judge the suicidal.

I just don't understand why we should be "guilted" into living a painful unfulfilling life no matter what.

 

[Hurt]

There's no afterlife for me. Everyone is unique and won't be repeated

 

[WornOutLife]

I look at it this way:

If I don't ctb or have a terminal disease/accident, I'll have to be in this world until I'm around 80. There's no way I'm doing that. I'm not interested in seeing how I get older, less intelligent and sick while I won't be able to do nothing but think of things I won't be able to do anymore because I won't be young.

Thus, if there's really a hell (apart from this one we're in right now), I guess I'll just end up there with all my suicidal pals.

 

[SelmaJezkova10]

I believe more in reincarnation, some say that it is more than proven that when you die you will only be wandering the world for an eternity, although it sounds pathetic.

 

[noname223]

I really doubt that there is an afterlife. For me personally I am pretty sure there is nothing. This is the hope of religious people that there is justice after the life. I think that's simply not true. Life is extremely unfair and humans don't want to accept that. One reason why they invented religions. How many people were killed due to religions I don't like these hypocrites.

 

[Ch92921]

There is for sure no way to feel the pain when the body is dead. But many people have fears of being buried alive (getting consciousness back when buried). In that case I would wish cremation after death. It is much cheaper than burial too. Whole process plus right to bury the ashes in relatives grave or other place in churches graveyard costs just about 600 euros here.
I really don't get why all the deceased aren't cremated.

Neuroscience knows nothing. They cant explain what consciousnesd really is.
Btw folks, if you really believe there is nothing after death, overcome SI is much harder.

 

[a.h]

Neuroscience knows nothing. They cant explain what consciousnesd really is.
Btw folks, if you really believe there is nothing after death, overcome SI is much harder.

I believe the consciousness carries own out of the body after death. When I was barely breathing and then not at all I blacked out. Next thing I know is me looking down on my body while doctors were working on it. It felt million times more real than this life and better too (though I was very happy then). It made me want to go back every day and feel like I no longer belonged here.

Every nde experience I have read people say they wanted to stay. If it was hallucination to everyone then it would be so sad that the true happiness is only possible and available few minutes when dieing.

Still I can't stop also dreaming of total oblivion. That like falling leaves we just fall and then stop existing.

 

[Anonymous 4]

Disclaimer: logically souls or rebirth or afterlife don't make any sense and there is no reliable evidence to suggest they are real. We know we are our brains and every feeling you have is caused by electrochemical signals in your brain, that much science has proven. How would souls interact with brain? If the soul added some extra to the system in the brain that would probably break the laws of physics, and no such interaction has been detected.

But still, afterlife worries me. Most religions say suicide is a bad thing, and it usually causes a lot of pain in your loved ones, so if there's karma or judgment or whatever on the other side then the next life mkight be even worse than this one

After 49 days of conception the mind fires its first burst of electrical signals and the heart starts to beat, some believe this electrical burst that starts the mind is the soul entering the body, or the mind, if you want to link consciousness to the soul you can, some believe its the same thing,

Some also believe the soul is in the DNA, either way, there is something that happens on the 49th day of conception, yes science says its electrical, but there are parts of life science will never be able to explain as them things are non physical, and do not abide by our laws, ( that's why physics and quantum mechanics as of yet, can not be combine into a grand theroy ), check the double slit experiment for a perfect example of how some things can act, In a way that seems to us humans at this present time, impossible,

That being said, the universe can not delete energy, it can only transform it, this is fact, there has to be a set amount of energy contained inside our universe in order to keep it how it is, even if a small fraction of energy were to be roved form the universe a series of collapse will accrue and it will no longer exsist, so knowing that, you would think the energy, that first kick started the body on the 49th day could be the soul, and energy can not be removed, only transformed, when you die, that energy has to go some where. Right?

 

[archipelago]

I was raised religiously and became an atheist in 2015. Only this year, when things got the worst they could have possibly become, did I again start having an idea of an afterlife. Not necessarily in a religious way… but just that it would be nice to have a peaceful life in eternity, to see people and pets I haven't seen for so long and who I miss. That there will be places more beautiful than I could have ever dreamed of, on the other side.

I don't even care at this point if it makes sense or not. It's incredibly comforting, and letting myself believe these things is probably what is helping me make peace with ctb. This time it feels real. This time it actually feels like I'll follow through, despite ever being too scared to try. This time it doesn't always feel sad thinking about ctb, it feels happy on some level.

It's not something I can explain well, or even something that aligns with the rest of my beliefs right now. I just don't care - if it will get me to do it, I'll hold on to it.

 

[motel rooms]

energy can not be removed, only transformed, when you die, that energy has to go some where. Right?

Yes, it gets dispersed in this physical/natural world, it doesn't travel to some mysterious supernatural place/afterlife

 

[All Things Must Pass]

Depends on the afterlife.

 

[Dear Agony]

Hm K there might be an afterlife, but it makes no logical sense even in a religious context, because suicide is not an inherently bad thing to do. If anything, giving a painful life to someone that never asked for any of that, didn't even have the choice to be born, is an inherently bad thing. So that would mean that God or universal forces are vindictive, which again makes no sense because nothing can be either all bad or all good. Everything has two sides to it, which is why I believe Death is nothingness. Because nothingness is neutral. Not inherently good or bad.

 

[Asterix]

Disclaimer: logically souls or rebirth or afterlife don't make any sense and there is no reliable evidence to suggest they are real. We know we are our brains and every feeling you have is caused by electrochemical signals in your brain, that much science has proven. How would souls interact with brain? If the soul added some extra to the system in the brain that would probably break the laws of physics, and no such interaction has been detected.

But still, afterlife worries me. Most religions say suicide is a bad thing, and it usually causes a lot of pain in your loved ones, so if there's karma or judgment or whatever on the other side then the next life might be even worse than this one.

Here you have information about this author of different books that talk about life between lives and life after death

 

[Superdeterminist]

I'm too fucked in this life to worry about how fucked I could be in any speculative afterlife.

 

[Pluto]

As someone who has researched this very question for many years, the best source of information is NDE reports. They are all independent from one another and not biased towards any religious or atheistic viewpoint.

Life at Death, by Ken Ring

Various Near-Death Experience Research on Suicide - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

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There is definitely no eternal hell. There's lots of talk of a 'void'. Some reports are pleasant or at least semi-pleasant.

 

[Snake of Eden]

In my religion there are 3 things that could happen when someone dies depending on how their deeds deem them in the end: the good have their souls are implanted in similar bodies to theirs in the blissful place of interstice dimension. The bad will go to purgatory and have their souls implanted in similar bodies where they are tortured. The neutral souls get their consciousness extinguished just like the flame of wicked candle and so they are like asleep with no awareness. All three groups will be resurrected again in this reality and are summoned in the day of judgement as the last day of the world to decide each soul place in eternity.

 

[LenkaX]

I don't care anymore. What is, that is. What will be, that will be.
I can't stand the amount of suffering in my current situation, so I'll just CTB soon and I will see what happens.