I've been scanning what people have written here, and even in other forums. Although I didn't read everything word for word, I can't seem to find anyone else saying acceptance and facilitation of suicide can lead to less crime, including that of violent crime. I did see someone here write " I imagine for some people, hating their life makes them unkind to others." But it doesn't go far enough to mention violent crime being committed. I have seen people talk about suicide by cop. Which can be done with violence or just feigned potential violence to get the cops to shoot them. But I guess that might be one type of violent crime prevented, if they are prone to use real violence to get a cop to shoot them. But I think people who are sad, depress may lash out at society, at times violently. And they may do this while thinking about suicide by cop or not. I think some of them might even do this thinking they might be killed in prison, or even to just jeopardize their health just to be less healthy and hopefully not live as long there. But whether they think it might shorten their life or not to commit a crime, they just might lash out if they are not able to kill themselves, without any thought of the consequences. If we look at the lives of some killers, even serial killers, well some of them have been suicidal. Some of them have had not happy lives. And I think that has really been a factor to the monsters they have become. And I think monsters is a good analogy. Why keep bothering the dead already? They are dead, let us help them, let us bury them, before they come and haunt us.
Let me pause and say though that I definitely sympathize and empathize with the victims of violence, and many of us here in this forum have been the victims of violence, including me. Perhaps this is why I haven't seen anyone entertain this idea. We are often the victims of violence and we don't want to hurt others.
But some of these killers, injurers or even just those who just physically hurt others, have been victims of abuse themselves. And perhaps they themselves did not even want to be the killers, the monsters they have become. The serial killer from Canada, Robert Pickton, When he was young he had a pet, it was a young calf he was very attached too. And his mother had it callously killed. When he went to school he stank from work and other kids avoided him And when I learned about him it's often said that he saw no way out, that he had to work at the farm at an early age, didn't do well in school and was ostracized there. There was a story too that his brother accidentally ran a boy with a car and his mother went to the spot to kill the boy. What did he have to do to himself, to his mind, to endure such abuse, ostracization from his classmates, etc. Did he have to become callous himself? How did a boy who was attached to a young calf, go from that to a butcher, a butcher of animals, and a butcher of people?
But imagine if he felt society allowed him a way out? If society said," it's okay, you can rest. You don't have to be a butcher, or at least not forever. You're in pain, we're sorry your mother abused you, killed your pet, etc. You don't have to be the monster your mother was. We'll let you rest." I'm not really sure, I admit. But it might have worked. If not for Pickton then maybe for some other potential killer/serial killer. And perhaps it might work for some future potential killers/serial killers.
I also wonder maybe that there would be less abuse. And many cycles of abuse and violence might stop. And in a strange way, once society accepts and facilitates suicide. That there might actually be in the long run, not only less abuse, and less violence, but also less suicide.
By the way I'm not the best writer, not the most concise, clear thinker, somewhat lazy even with my research examples. But if you agree with my idea, please feel free to think up of a better way to say it, perhaps even better examples. And if you disagree or want to put forth counter examples, please go ahead. Thanks
Let me pause and say though that I definitely sympathize and empathize with the victims of violence, and many of us here in this forum have been the victims of violence, including me. Perhaps this is why I haven't seen anyone entertain this idea. We are often the victims of violence and we don't want to hurt others.
But some of these killers, injurers or even just those who just physically hurt others, have been victims of abuse themselves. And perhaps they themselves did not even want to be the killers, the monsters they have become. The serial killer from Canada, Robert Pickton, When he was young he had a pet, it was a young calf he was very attached too. And his mother had it callously killed. When he went to school he stank from work and other kids avoided him And when I learned about him it's often said that he saw no way out, that he had to work at the farm at an early age, didn't do well in school and was ostracized there. There was a story too that his brother accidentally ran a boy with a car and his mother went to the spot to kill the boy. What did he have to do to himself, to his mind, to endure such abuse, ostracization from his classmates, etc. Did he have to become callous himself? How did a boy who was attached to a young calf, go from that to a butcher, a butcher of animals, and a butcher of people?
But imagine if he felt society allowed him a way out? If society said," it's okay, you can rest. You don't have to be a butcher, or at least not forever. You're in pain, we're sorry your mother abused you, killed your pet, etc. You don't have to be the monster your mother was. We'll let you rest." I'm not really sure, I admit. But it might have worked. If not for Pickton then maybe for some other potential killer/serial killer. And perhaps it might work for some future potential killers/serial killers.
I also wonder maybe that there would be less abuse. And many cycles of abuse and violence might stop. And in a strange way, once society accepts and facilitates suicide. That there might actually be in the long run, not only less abuse, and less violence, but also less suicide.
By the way I'm not the best writer, not the most concise, clear thinker, somewhat lazy even with my research examples. But if you agree with my idea, please feel free to think up of a better way to say it, perhaps even better examples. And if you disagree or want to put forth counter examples, please go ahead. Thanks
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