psycho

psycho

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Mar 17, 2023
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What, I didn't defend anyone but I just said that you can't curse at anyone, it doesn't matter what they say, if it is really bad just report and avoid, admin will do what is right
No one is right, and why cant i curse hm? U think im wrong and i think u, and people who tell other to ctb are wrong. Were the same. And i dont have to avoid, i can say what i think. Just like evry1 else. How u gonna come after me saying cursing is bad, when someone said to another person to kill themselves and u think thats ok? Yea maybe u do, because u think its right, i think its wrong. Youre not to say what goes and doesnt. Ur just as wrong as me
 
Vizzy

Vizzy

DEAD
May 6, 2023
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No one is right, and why cant i curse hm? U think im wrong and i think u, and people who tell other to ctb are wrong. Were the same. And i dont have to avoid, i can say what i think. Just like evry1 else. How u gonna come after me saying cursing is bad, when someone said to another person to kill themselves and u think thats ok? Yea maybe u do, because u think its right, i think its wrong. Youre not to say what goes and doesnt. Ur just as wrong as me
you are asking the same stuffs again lol, if you curse you won't be in here for too long
 
HopefulSleep

HopefulSleep

Wants to sleep
Apr 24, 2023
888
No, it won't have legal consequences for them. If they're twisted enough it could bring them joy to know how much power they had over you
That is right I didn't think about that, it will make him happy to know I died partially cause of him.
 
squirley

squirley

: )
May 6, 2023
582
My initial plan was to not leave a goodbye letter but I came to the idea of writing that the reason for my suicide are people who sexually abused me in the hope of that they get some consequences for it.
A good bye letter/email to family is your choice but I would do 2. One as a goodbye.
Then a different letter explaining the horrible situation you went through.Sorry this happened. As for immediate consequences. No.
If any victim speaks out right away .
(which I know must be incredibly hard)
Immediately DNA swabs/interrogation/arrest.

By leaving a very detailed letter of this person and events.
Will cause an investigation/questioning.
But this person can say that never happened.
Or Crack under the pressure and confess.
The law is fucked. There needs to be proof or numerous victims that come forward.
If there are others hopefully your note will give them strength to speak up and prevent this from happening again.
The first thing I can think of is that this maybe has legal consequences, but does that count as proper evidence if I claim to ctb because of this?
This is tricky. If the iccident happened yesterday. And you ctb today.
A prosecutor could argue that situation DIRECTLY caused you to ctb. And attempt serious charges.
But as time goes on this becomes tricky.
The note it self would give probable cause for questioning. Searching phone/txt etc.
MAYBE even DNA. But laying charges will be challenging. Unless more evidence is found.
And a lawyer could even argue that you were in mental distress and didn't know what you were writing.
I don't know much about the law but I think that this maybe counts as more evidence than just saying this.
Just saying it before you ctb? Well no a letter wouldnt compare to... I mean you would be giving a formal statement to an LE. In person if that were the case.
One of the abusers texted me some weeks ago something like "the only reason I touched you against your consent was because you are a dumb loser and it makes fun to hurt you no one finds you attractive" but the problem is he did that with an alt account on discord and he probably isn't logged in in there so this could only be used as real evidence if it can get linked to him.
Yah if you have screen shots of this and showed this to an LE with your story. They would speak to this person immediately.
They can trace alt accounts.
If they have the name .. ip... etc.
What can also happen is that my family will haunt him forever and maybe take revenge impulsively after I am dead, they would basically do my work then whcih would also be good but I don't know if they do it for me so I care about legal consequences.
This is tough. Revenge is a double sided sword. As it might feel great in the moment it can also stab back.
I'm also dealing with this conundrum. I hate to say this but allow LE to do the work. So that your family doesn't end up in jail.
My family thinks I am alright and don't understand me and are mentally abusive but I know my mother is traumatized from me nearly succeeding with ctb in the past so she will do something but probably tries to make legal action and my brother will probably rage and do something else with the abusers.
Any family would be very angry at abuser.
Sorry that your getting mental stress from past attempt.
I don't want to revenge myself cause I would go to jail
if I would do it in the way I think would fit
I still have creeping thoughts of revenge and ctb by LE. trying to stick to partial. Jail. No.
and legally I am too ashamed of talking about it in real life what happened and in germany "minor" sexual assault doesn't count as a big crime so the worst that would happen to them is that they would have to pay some money or some bullshit,
I don't know the laws in Germany. Did a quick search and the range does vary a lot.
3months-10years. The money might be a form of restitution. Plus criminal record. With what you said up there that msg shows intent and malice. Would not be "minor"
so I would like to know if they can get any consequences if I mention that it is their fault of me dying.
I explained as much as I could i think. ^
And also I thought that maybe this would reduce the consequences for me if I survive.
That depends on your family. I'm sure they would sympathize. If they knew why. But I can't speak for them.
Why would you have consequences? For a failed attempt and this being the reason.
I think I won't survive but for the case maybe they will then put them in a psych ward
Hospital first. Then perhaps psych ward after. But this comes with a reason why it happend. Most people stand by SA victims.
except of torturing me in them or they don't put me in one
Why would they torture you? If you're the victim.
but the abusers get in legal trouble.
They would.
but maybe I am just dumb and this makes no sense and it wouldn't decrease the punishment I would get for failing.
what punishment are you going to get? You are a SA victim. That survived a ctb attempt. Family might be upset you didn't tell them. But more sympathetic towards that it did happen.
Don't you think ?
Either way I'm very sorry that this has all happened and with whatever you decide I hope you find peace.
I still would like to know what could happen to the abusers after my death.

You will be at eternal peace and that's the most important thing. Abusers will find a new person to abuse until they die themselves… I hope you stop worrying about them and focus on completing your ctb successfully …
So by leaving a note it could possibly stop this person from committing SA on someone else. Don't defend SA or abusers.
Stop worrying about it?
What if it was YOU OR YOUR FAMILY.
Just stop worrying about it?
Abusers will find victims IF they are not STOPPED and victims don't speak up.
That's why so many cases pop of from 1-10years later.
Not untill they die.
It's one thing to wish someone a safe journey to ctb.
But one thing to say
oh hey don't worry about your SA wtf.
 
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But who exactly should I send it to? Police? Newspaper?
If Newspaper which one?
And how should I make sure that they know this is my email?
Might as well send all the proof to both. Give them your full info obviously. Send as to many as you wish, I don't know which ones is the best for that but I am sure you can figure it out yourself.
 
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HopefulSleep

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Apr 24, 2023
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A good bye letter/email to family is your choice but I would do 2. One as a goodbye.
Then a different letter explaining the horrible situation you went through.
I don't like my family and don't need to tell them the exact reason.
This is tricky. If the iccident happened yesterday. And you ctb today.
A prosecutor could argue that situation DIRECTLY caused you to ctb. And attempt serious charges.
Any idea on how I can make it look like that?
The note it self would give probable cause for questioning. Searching phone/txt etc.
I have my pc and phone encrypted.
MAYBE even DNA. But laying charges will be challenging. Unless more evidence is found.
How would they use dna if it happened months ago last time?
Just saying it before you ctb? Well no a letter wouldnt compare to... I mean you would be giving a formal statement to an LE. In person if that were the case.
Too much shame can't feel shame when I am dead tho.
They can trace alt accounts.
If they have the name .. ip... etc.
I don't know if he used a vpn for that but you can't use discord over tor afaik.
I hate to say this but allow LE to do the work. So that your family doesn't end up in jail.
LE is useless and I don't care if my family goes to jail as long as my abuser gets hurt, I hate my family too.
I don't know the laws in Germany. Did a quick search and the range does vary a lot.
3months-10years. The money might be a form of restitution. Plus criminal record. With what you said up there that msg shows intent and malice. Would not be "minor"
It was only some touching in private areas after I said no and my family also told me that this is normal that this happened so probably not that bad.
Why would you have consequences? For a failed attempt and this being the reason.
I had consequences after my past attempts, they sent me to psych wards and day clinics.
Hospital first. Then perhaps psych ward after. But this comes with a reason why it happend. Most people stand by SA victims.
They didn't care first time I was in psych ward they just told nonsense and wanted to give me medication.
Why would they torture you? If you're the victim.
Why did they mentally torture me after my other attempts?
I am also questioning it.
They would.
Above you said it depends.
what punishment are you going to get? You are a SA victim.
In this world you get punished with dumb psych wards if you fail ctb.
It is torture for me to not have a pc or phone to distract myself.
Family might be upset you didn't tell them. But more sympathetic towards that it did happen.
No my mom is dumb she got angry in the past when I told her that I want to die, she yells at me or tells me it is normal to get sexually assaulted cause it happened to her too.
 
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HopefulSleep

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Apr 24, 2023
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Might as well send all the proof to both. Give them your full info obviously. Send as to many as you wish, I don't know which ones is the best for that but I am sure you can figure it out yourself.
How should I give proof that it was me who really send the email?
 
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Goodgirlryeo101

Wizard
May 27, 2023
661
Oh I'm just being supportive of OP's decision to ctb… what's your problem??! If OP doesn't want to continue with completing CTB I would still support their decision…. When I post and I get supportive comments to complete my ctb successfully I feel supported. No need to curse me out…
 
psycho

psycho

Member
Mar 17, 2023
16
Oh I'm just being supportive of OP's decision to ctb… what's your problem??! If OP doesn't want to continue with completing CTB I would still support their decision…. When I post and I get supportive comments to complete my ctb successfully I feel supported. No need to curse me out
Nah, what u said is messed up. Its just cus this website is a messed up environment. Its messed up what u said
 
squirley

squirley

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May 6, 2023
582
I don't like my family and don't need to tell them the exact reason.
Perfectly fine.
How could you keep it separate from your family. ? Even if you left the note with a close friend. Eventually they would be questioned about it.
How could you leave a note for the abuser.
In that case. If you did it anonymously. Letter. Social media. Etc.
Nothing would happen. Questioning and denial.
Any idea on how I can make it look like that?
I mean if the SA LITERALLY happend today. And you ctb tomorrow. With note.
you can't really make it look like that if it happend monthd/years ago. Unless you make a statement in person. And explain your story.
Then LE can set a time frame. Can't do this if you ctb.
I have my pc and phone encrypted.
The abusers phone. Check txt/discord to prove or disprove your note.
How would they use dna if it happened months ago last time?
They would enter it in a system like CODIS and see if it has a hit on any past cases. And future cases. This would help verifying your story. And other victims.
Not necessarily the immediate situation. As I said if you went right away it would be different. But I understand why you didn't.
Too much shame can't feel shame when I am dead tho.
I can't really comment on this. But a lot of SA victims feel this.
And when they come out the shame becomes impowerent vs the abuser.
I had a girlfriend that delt with this and it took her awhile for this. But in the end she was still hurt from everything and healing.
but happy the person was charged and couldn't hurt anyone else.
I don't know if he used a vpn for that but you can't use discord over tor afaik.
If you have the name/address/phone #
They can link accounts easy. As long as the actual device wasn't smashed and wasnt on a random McDonald's wifi and not registered. I doubt they did all this to send you a msg.
LE is useless and I don't care if my family goes to jail as long as my abuser gets hurt, I hate my family too.
Your abuser will not go to jail just by leaving a note. Unless they Crack and confess.
They will get questioned. And they can deny everything.
Unless you hand over the screnshots.
And come forward.
if LE is useless they why are you even contemplating this ?
Your contracting your self. You said you don't want your brother to do something and jail.
But now you hate your family.
So why not just leave the note and allow revenge.
It was only some touching in private areas after I said no and my family also told me that this is normal that this happened so probably not that bad.
You're literally down playing your own SA.
" it was ONLY"
That's like me if I slapped someone instead of a punch and said " it's only a slap" doesn't matter still assault in a court room.
If you guys were making out and this person tried something and you said no... stop
and kept going its SA.
If it was a random person that started touching you and out of no where. You said no that's SA.
Also depends if they held you or forced you. And if you were able to leave. When did it stop. Etc.
I had consequences after my past attempts, they sent me to psych wards and day clinics.
Some actions have consequences. Unfortunately.
Any family would. Initially.
They didn't care first time I was in psych ward they just told nonsense and wanted to give me medication.
You told them the first time was because of SA and that's why you attempted?
Not sure what to say.
If they didn't care that's rough.
And of course any ward or hospital will give meds for.sure. to any person that attempts.
Why did they mentally torture me after my other attempts?
I am also questioning it.
I can't answer this. Human Emotions are wild.
Caring/love can become Anger/frustration
in a second.
A long time ago when I didn't take my meds my partner would be upset with me.
sometimes nice sometimes angry.
Above you said it depends.
This was before I saw the mention about the text msg and whatever other proof.
Just a note. With you not able to speak on it. Plus no txt proof. Is nothing.
If you hand in txt and a story and speak. It's completely different.
In this world you get punished with dumb psych wards if you fail ctb.
Psych wards are horrible. I agree.
But that's a known consequence.
People aren't going to bake a cake and celebrate an attempt.
Would be nice. But that's not reality.
In my experience the atmosphere is different.
Drug OD attempt. No reason.
Compared to SA attempt.
People show more sympathy to one.
It is torture for me to not have a pc or phone to distract myself.
I get that.
No my mom is dumb she got angry in the past when I told her that I want to die,
Everyone reacts different to this type of news. Not sure what to say. It's when you care so much you get angry. Because they don't understand.
she yells at me or tells me it is normal to get sexually assaulted cause it happened to her too.
It's not normal. And if your mom said that.
She has her own problems she needs to work out. It's not good that it happened to her and she's dealing with it in a horrible way by taking it out on you which is crazy/unfair.

I need to sleep I've been up for many hours losing track. I'll watch the thread. I hope you can get some sort of conclusion.
 
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HopefulSleep

HopefulSleep

Wants to sleep
Apr 24, 2023
888
How could you keep it separate from your family. ?
The SA is not the only and exact reason for my ctb and I don't want to give my family the complete reason they are dumb anyway.
The abusers phone. Check txt/discord to prove or disprove your note.
He is probably not logged into his alt account.
They would enter it in a system like CODIS and see if it has a hit on any past cases. And future cases. This would help verifying your story. And other victims.
Not necessarily the immediate situation. As I said if you went right away it would be different. But I understand why you didn't.
I am his primary victim don't think it matches up with other cases.
If you have the name/address/phone
Have it.
They can link accounts easy. As long as the actual device wasn't smashed and wasnt on a random McDonald's wifi and not registered. I doubt they did all this to send you a msg.
If it is possible to use discord over tor they maybe did that or used a vpn but I am not sure.
Unless you hand over the screnshots.
My mother has the screenshots.
if LE is useless they why are you even contemplating this ?
Better than nothing.
Your contracting your self. You said you don't want your brother to do something and jail.
But now you hate your family.
I hate the rest of my family my brother is ok.
That's like me if I slapped someone instead of a punch and said " it's only a slap" doesn't matter still assault in a court room.
My mother slapped me when I told her my biggest problem.
If you guys were making out and this person tried something and you said no... stop
and kept going its SA.
I said no and he did it the next day then don't know if it counts as SA then even tbh.
Also depends if they held you or forced you. And if you were able to leave. When did it stop. Etc.
Stopped right after some seconds all the time and then everything back to normal.
And of course any ward or hospital will give meds for.sure. to any person that attempts.
I don't want it, most of them make me more pain.
She has her own problems she needs to work out. It's not good that it happened to her and she's dealing with it in a horrible way by taking it out on you which is crazy.
It is not a problem for her, she said me after she got raped it was ok for her the next day and she doesn't understand how I get my life fucked up cause minor sexual assault.
 

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