If I will starve myself to death, will I be able to move across home (at least on all fours) and see things even at the last stage of starvation?

[Alex Fermentopathy]

I need water to take my self-prescribed meds, so question rather about water-allowed starving than VSED. But if you know answer for the latter, I'm still interested.
Also that's the reason why I should be able to walk and see even at the last hour before death.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

I've read some stories about starvation with water, and it seems people slip off into a coma a few days before death occurs.

 

[soleil]

SI is strong you won't make it a couple days. A girl was forced to fast by her parents and it took her 68 days with water only. She passed a few days after breaking her fast.

 

[willitpass]

The mental willpower it would take to consume only water to the point of death is beyond what you can imagine. The human body can last a hell of a lot longer than you think. I've never done a water fast longer than 3-5 days, I can't remember, but there are many others with eating disorders or personal beliefs who will do it for weeks. To do it to death would take months. You would most likely cave before then. Restricting yourself from all food an nutrition is easier said than done. Your body craves nutrition. It has ways of working your mind to get that nutrition at all costs. Mental hunger is an incredibly strong force, as well as the eventual weakness, shakiness, and brain fog from malnutrition and low blood sugar. By the time you did reach near death, you would likely be incredibly weak and going in and out of conciousness. Unless you died suddenly from electrolyte imbalances, the process would likely be similar to a natural death. You would essentially become comatose.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

The mental willpower it would take to consume only water to the point of death is beyond what you can imagine. The human body can last a hell of a lot longer than you think. I've never done a water fast longer than 3-5 days, I can't remember, but there are many others with eating disorders or personal beliefs who will do it for weeks. To do it to death would take months. You would most likely cave before then. Restricting yourself from all food an nutrition is easier said than done. Your body craves nutrition. It has ways of working your mind to get that nutrition at all costs. Mental hunger is an incredibly strong force, as well as the eventual weakness, shakiness, and brain fog from malnutrition and low blood sugar. By the time you did reach near death, you would likely be incredibly weak and going in and out of conciousness. Unless you died suddenly from electrolyte imbalances, the process would likely be similar to a natural death. You would essentially become comatose.

You only went 3-5 days water fasting? The way you talk as if you went to 50 days, talking of it being tortuous. Genuine accounts of people going for weeks water fast pretty much are all consistent that it's not really painful at all, apart from weakness and relatively mild symptoms beyond the initial hunger pangs.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

You only went 3-5 days water fasting? The way you talk as if you went to 50 days, talking of it being tortuous. Genuine accounts of people going for weeks water fast pretty much are all consistent that it's not really painful at all, apart from weakness and relatively mild symptoms beyond the initial hunger pangs.

I have read somewhere that the most hard part starts when one runs out of body fat.

 

[Dark Window]

This is a stupid idea, no offence.

You need something more quick. I know quick sometimes may mean pain, but starvation is an awful way to die.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

This is a stupid idea, no offence.

You need something more quick. I know quick sometimes may mean pain, but starvation is an awful way to die.

That's not my primary method, was rather curious. But you most likely will not like my primary method too (electrocution to the heart).

 

[SoFewMethods]

You only went 3-5 days water fasting? The way you talk as if you went to 50 days, talking of it being tortuous. Genuine accounts of people going for weeks water fast pretty much are all consistent that it's not really painful at all, apart from weakness and relatively mild symptoms beyond the initial hunger pangs.

There's a reason they stopped at a few days: it is painful. If they went for 50 days, the pain would only get worse and it would be unbearable, especially since (from the looks of it) they don't have experience with fasting. The people who have went weeks have done water fast lots of times and they got used to the pain. And also, they were not close to death because if they were, your body will try so hard to keep you alive. No amount of experience or practice will let you ignore the pain and survival instinct you're going through.

 

[Dark Window]

That's not my primary method, was rather curious. But you most likely will not like my primary method too (electrocution to the heart).

Well if it's relatively quick then i wont be against it. But starvation is a silly idea.

 

[willitpass]

I'm not here to argue with someone about what I and people I've talked with have or have not found painful or difficult. That is no one's place to tell someone what they did or did not experience.

Water fasting is not good for you. The only place that rave about it are niche wellness groups who often have no actual basis for their claims. There are obviously also religious groups who are doing it for spiritual reasons. Am I saying nobody water fasting finds it painless and peaceful? No. Some people do. But from a medical standpoint it is frowned upon because, especially in long term cases, you are malnourished. You are not receiving adequate calories, electrolytes, or nutrients to sustain bodily functions. That is going to wear you down. Many vitamin and nutrient deficiencies are associated with pain and malaise. Potassium imbalance can cause muscle spasms and heart problems. Vitamin C deficiency (aka scurvy, yes the pirates disease) can cause easy bleeding. Low iron can cause headaches and severe fatigue. If all you are consuming is water, eventually all of your body's nutrients will be fucked. So yes, pain is very possible to occur. Maybe not everyone will, I'm sure many people have played their cards right and had peace in the process, though I'm sure some of that came down to their psychological state and personal beliefs for why they were fasting as well. But starving to death can very much be painful. Emma Wants to Live is a great documentary about how it is a slow and hard death, especially when compounded with mental suffering (in her case severe anorexia).

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

I have read somewhere that the most hard part starts when one runs out of body fat.

Yeah I've read aswell, I'd like to know more information on what exactly happens, whether it's just hunger pangs return or what

 

[IsThisEverything]

I used to suffer from Anorexia and I starved myself to the point where I could no longer walk and almost died. My BMI was 11, which is very low, especially for a guy. I only survived because I got admitted to hospital (against my will) and even then it was touch and go. I didn't limit my water intake and I still ate a bit of food, but very little. Some thoughts:

• It took a long time (6 months) for me to get to the point of almost dying, and that was starting from being slightly underweight.
• I don't remember finding it too difficult to do, but I was compelled not to eat by anorexia. It's likely much more challenging if you don't have that mental illness telling you you're not allowed to eat.
• I didn't feel any pain near the end. I was lightheaded and out of it a lot of the time.
• Your experience will vary depending on what goes wrong in your body first. I had heart problems and if my heart had given out in my sleep it would've been peaceful. But I also had liver problems which made me hallucinate and get incredibly paranoid, which was terrifying.
• No one intervened on my behalf before it got to this point only because I live alone. If you regularly see other people it's likely someone will stop you before you get this bad, as the changes are very visible.
• You can't be certain about when you're going to die. You can feel weak and unwell for months before actually passing. I didn't feel pain, but I did feel deeply unwell. So it's going to be a long and protracted way to die.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

There's a reason they stopped at a few days: it is painful. If they went for 50 days, the pain would only get worse and it would be unbearable, especially since (from the looks of it) they don't have experience with fasting. The people who have went weeks have done water fast lots of times and they got used to the pain. And also, they were not close to death because if they were, your body will try so hard to keep you alive. No amount of experience or practice will let you ignore the pain and survival instinct you're going through.

From all the accounts I've read that said they've been water fasting for several weeks, many around 30-40 days, they pretty much all had a very easy time with water fasting. Nothing crazy, apart from the initial hunger pangs and weakness, not mental struggle either. All consistent in that they didn't really feel hungry at all after a few days. Even easier if one is fat adapted. What I'm curious about though is the period when all fat stores run out, what happens then. Granted many of those are from overweight people wanting to lose weight. Unlikely they were fat adapted either, so if anything it should be even easier for a lean fat adapted person like me to water fast for a while.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

if you don't have that mental illness telling you you're not allowed to eat.

I have some unknown condition when I feel my brain intoxicated after almost any food. If it will progress, I guess I will have it after any food.

This is a stupid idea, no offence.

Above is the reason for that idea.

 

[willitpass]

Yeah I've read aswell, I'd like to know more information on what exactly happens, whether it's just hunger pangs return or what

Your body starts to eat its own muscle. Everything starts to atrophy, including the muscles in your organs. Your body is quite literally eating away at itself. As your heart gets weaker, blood flow is redirected to vitals organs and drawn away from the extremities. Your limbs go cold and lose color due to poor perfusion. The fatigue will be ever worse as your body conserves every bit it has to avoid having to eat away even more muscle for energy. Eventually your organs shut down, what symptoms you have will depend on which organs are shutting down. Your body has to pick which ones it thinks are most vital and save them first. Kidney failure, liver failure, your GI tract shuts down. Chest pain is very common as your heart struggles to keep up.

I used to suffer from Anorexia and I starved myself to the point where I could no longer walk and almost died. My BMI was 11, which is very low, especially for a guy. I only survived because I got admitted to hospital (against my will) and even then it was touch and go. I didn't limit my water intake and I still ate a bit of food, but very little. Some thoughts:

• It took a long time (6 months) for me to get to the point of almost dying, and that was starting from being slightly underweight.
• I don't remember finding it too difficult to do, but I was compelled not to eat by anorexia. It's likely much more challenging if you don't have that mental illness telling you you're not allowed to eat.
• I didn't feel any pain near the end. I was lightheaded and out of it a lot of the time.
• Your experience will vary depending on what goes wrong in your body first. I had heart problems and if my heart had given out in my sleep it would've been peaceful. But I also had liver problems which made me hallucinate and get incredibly paranoid, which was terrifying.
• No one intervened on my behalf before it got to this point only because I live alone. If you regularly see other people it's likely someone will stop you before you get this bad, as the changes are very visible.
• You can't be certain about when you're going to die. You can feel weak and unwell for months before actually passing. I didn't feel pain, but I did feel deeply unwell. So it's going to be a long and protracted way to die.

I'm currently reaching that point in my anorexia (though not underweight, just lower end of normal due to starting at a higher BMI to begin with) where feeling deeply unwell is the perfect way to put it. Everything feels exhausting and it's hard to do anything without feeling like I need a rest. Some nights I genuinely feel like I'm going to die in my sleep from how awful I feel. I do experience a lot of pain, though I also have other self destructive habits, so it's hard to tell what's from what anymore, but

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

Kurt Gödel, the father of the Incompleteness Theorem, died from starvation because his wife, who always cooked for him, had to go to the hospital. Food was not a problem since he, like Einstein, worked at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Study, where he could eat whatever he liked. But he was convinced someone wanted to poison him, so he didn't eat… and died.

 

[MatthieuFrederickW]

I used to suffer from Anorexia and I starved myself to the point where I could no longer walk and almost died. My BMI was 11, which is very low, especially for a guy. I only survived because I got admitted to hospital (against my will) and even then it was touch and go. I didn't limit my water intake and I still ate a bit of food, but very little. Some thoughts:

• It took a long time (6 months) for me to get to the point of almost dying, and that was starting from being slightly underweight.
• I don't remember finding it too difficult to do, but I was compelled not to eat by anorexia. It's likely much more challenging if you don't have that mental illness telling you you're not allowed to eat.
• I didn't feel any pain near the end. I was lightheaded and out of it a lot of the time.
• Your experience will vary depending on what goes wrong in your body first. I had heart problems and if my heart had given out in my sleep it would've been peaceful. But I also had liver problems which made me hallucinate and get incredibly paranoid, which was terrifying.
• No one intervened on my behalf before it got to this point only because I live alone. If you regularly see other people it's likely someone will stop you before you get this bad, as the changes are very visible.
• You can't be certain about when you're going to die. You can feel weak and unwell for months before actually passing. I didn't feel pain, but I did feel deeply unwell. So it's going to be a long and protracted way to die.

The way I'm doing it though would be to cease all solid foods and only drinking water with salt or electrolytes. from what I've read or heard it's worse to eat a bit of food here and there than it is to stop eating completely.