If God has a plan for all of us, is suicide a part of that plan as well?

[MariV]

yes...god likes variety of experiences. and thats what we have. so if god dodnt want ppl to ctb, it wouldnt happen. thay word god has to mean sth!

 

[rt1989526]

He is an asshole

 

[muffin222]

I've heard we have set exit points throughout our life, I guess get out of jail free cards. This could be due to any type of death including suicide. I believe our lives are set up with a number of probabilities, and if suicide is one then your family and loved ones have also agreed the possibility to having the grieving experience of losing someone to suicide. When I first became suicidal I became obsessed with learning about theories of the afterlife, soul contracts etc. I had a reading and was told I have 11 exit points in this lifetime which is supposedly much higher than average and my next exit point is coming up in December. I thought this was interesting as I didn't express to the person I was suicidal or have ever been. I feel like my life was set up to always have this lingering in the background. Obviously no way of proving the validity of this just interesting to think about

This is exactly what I believe as well. I've had several exit points in my life already in the form of near death experiences, car crashes, etc. I definitely believe suicide is a potential outcome for me in this lifetime. The thoughts have lingered since I was a child, and I've always believed there was a higher reason for that beyond just the pain and suffering I've endured. I went through the same quest of researching afterlife and soul contracts, lol. It's fascinating to find someone else who holds the same viewpoint on this

 

[CrazyMary]

I've heard we have set exit points throughout our life, I guess get out of jail free cards. This could be due to any type of death including suicide. I believe our lives are set up with a number of probabilities, and if suicide is one then your family and loved ones have also agreed the possibility to having the grieving experience of losing someone to suicide. When I first became suicidal I became obsessed with learning about theories of the afterlife, soul contracts etc. I had a reading and was told I have 11 exit points in this lifetime which is supposedly much higher than average and my next exit point is coming up in December. I thought this was interesting as I didn't express to the person I was suicidal or have ever been. I feel like my life was set up to always have this lingering in the background. Obviously no way of proving the validity of this just interesting to think about

I heard something similar too. Also that if you comited suicide in a previous live you will always have the option. Some say you shouldn´t do it as you would come back and try to fix the same cycle. Also read that if for example you kill yourself at 40 and you were supposed to live until 70, then your next life will be 30 at the most.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

It's worth keeping in mind that it's people who come up with all these ideas, and that humans have a natural tendency to recognise patterns, even if they are not there.
We all have a tendency to retro-fit the observable 'facts' to fit our own narrative and to believe in whatever makes sense to us.
That doesn't mean it's true.
It doesn't mean it's not true either.

 

[LittleJem]

Genetic mental illness and child abuse was God's plan for me.
I used to believe my soul chose this shit as part of my soul's journey. If that is true, then my soul is one sick fucker.
I don't believe in anything anymore - surrounded by hypocrites and bullies and the world is every dog for themselves. There are kind people, I still have a few good friends left and not everyone is like this - but am so disillusioned and tired.
I'm an idealist, but the world doesn't match the ideals. Look at all the children the UK government is letting go hungry now, the rising abuse due to the pandemic. And the Gods that we worship should be the Gods of money and war - because that is more realistic for the way that the world looks.

 

[imdone1]

I think about this a lot. I don't know though. I feel as though there are various outcomes to every situation/action, a stream of possibility with each thing that we do, yet God has a generally benefic plan for each one of those possibilities, if that makes sense. They're like the overseer of it all.

 

[Deleted member 94]

It's worth keeping in mind that it's people who come up with all these ideas, and that humans have a natural tendency to recognise patterns, even if they are not there.
We all have a tendency to retro-fit the observable 'facts' to fit our own narrative and to believe in whatever makes sense to us.
That doesn't mean it's true.
It doesn't mean it's not true either.

This reminds of my time studying Baccarat a casino game of chance with house rules always making sure the maths is against the player in the long run, but the gamblers are always looking for patterns and coincidences, one fellow who claimed to have a 80% hit rate had his trigger list examined by a computer simulator and after 80,000 decisions he either broke even or was a little in the red, but he swore with his triggers he always hit the right bet 80% of the time but also confessed he cashes out if he wins one unit, his unit of betting was 1000. Funny how a guy deluded himself that his method is the holy grail of gambling when it even lost to a computer simulation. Short answer humans look to find order in chaos and some like that fellow believe they found it but in reality didn't, everything is always in a state of chaos or flux change alone is unchanging.

 

[Lilacmoon]

dunno. if God is out there they definitely are sadistic. like a bad game of sims.

 

[Deleted member 94]

You should read various books about various religions and you will find that the gods of some of those religions had serious character flaws that their worshippers tend to turn a blind eye to or deaf ear to especially Zeus, they probably want that sort of stuff he got up to and now have validation.

I personally believe religion is a man made weapon both a carrot and a stick used to control the masses also in the past but where I live now nobody falls for it anymore except the fanatical types.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

This reminds of my time studying Baccarat a casino game of chance with house rules always making sure the maths is against the player in the long run, but the gamblers are always looking for patterns and coincidences, one fellow who claimed to have a 80% hit rate had his trigger list examined by a computer simulator and after 80,000 decisions he either broke even or was a little in the red, but he swore with his triggers he always hit the right bet 80% of the time but also confessed he cashes out if he wins one unit, his unit of betting was 1000. Funny how a guy deluded himself that his method is the holy grail of gambling when it even lost to a computer simulation. Short answer humans look to find order in chaos and some like that fellow believe they found it but in reality didn't, everything is always in a state of chaos or flux change alone is unchanging.

Indeed. Nice story.
Everything tends towards chaos over time, even as complexity increases in an effort to out run increasing entropy. That's the struggle of life. Quite paradoxical really. I'm not surprised people need to explain it somehow. It's either inspiring or terrifying, depending how you look at it.

 

[Deleted member 94]

Indeed. Nice story.
Everything tends towards chaos over time, even as complexity increases in an effort to out run increasing entropy. That's the struggle of life. Quite paradoxical really. I'm not surprised people need to explain it somehow. It's either inspiring or terrifying, depending how you look at it.

It's overwhelming for people like me. We just need an anchor something that Keeps people grounded and reason to wake up everyday and look forward to everyday for some people it's financial freedom aka money others it's their kids or job or religion for me I now live in an anchorless reality I lost my only reason for enduring and the reason to continue living aka my birth mother. I know some might say you don't die with the dead but I can't fill the void she left in my heart other than to follow her into death.

 

[Deleted member 94]

Indeed. Nice story.
Everything tends towards chaos over time, even as complexity increases in an effort to out run increasing entropy. That's the struggle of life. Quite paradoxical really. I'm not surprised people need to explain it somehow. It's either inspiring or terrifying, depending how you look at it.

Easier and less costly to mine the first bitcoin than the last. Is that what you are implying.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Easier and less costly to mine the first bitcoin than the last. Is that what you are implying.

Forgive me, I don't understand the reference.

 

[Deleted member 94]

Forgive me, I don't understand the reference.

Where you said complexity increases in reaction to increasing entropy. I didn't understand that so I referred to mining bit coin how the first could be mined by a Nintendo game boy in a matter of minutes whereas now you need ASCII miners to mine in hours if not days.

 

[signifying nothing]

I believe that reality is so dense in structure that you cannot do anything different from what carries on from the moment before. In other words we're locked in to whatever happens.

Just try letting go of your seeming control over your life and you'll see how much of an illusion it is that you can do anything to change what's going on.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

Where you said complexity increases in reaction to increasing entropy. I didn't understand that so I referred to mining bit coin how the first could be mined by a Nintendo game boy in a matter of minutes whereas now you need ASCII miners to mine in hours if not days.

Ok, thanks, I get it now
Yes, that's kind of a result of the same sort of thing I think.
Entropy always increases over time in any closed system, ie. everything tends towards a decrease in organisation as it tries to get to a lower energy state. What's weird is why energy has a tendency to attempt to organise into matter in increasingly complex states over time.
These two patterns have always seemed paradoxical to me, so I infer that one potentially happens as a response to the other. It may be that increasing complexity and order also increases the potential for de-organisation and chaos. Kind of like how a really hot object will cool down faster than a cooler object under the same conditions.
I've no idea if the concept makes sense.

 

[Deleted member 94]

I believe that reality is so dense in structure that you cannot do anything different from what carries on from the moment before. In other words we're locked in to whatever happens.

Just try letting go of your seeming control over your life and you'll see how much of an illusion it is that you can do anything to change what's going on.

Letting go is a hard trick to learn when you're brain just keeps rewinding and replaying the bad stuff and won't let you even reflect on the good stuff. The only way to let go is to accept, some here are unwilling to do that, I would seem to be one of those.

 

[signifying nothing]

Letting go is a hard trick to learn when you're brain just keeps rewinding and replaying the bad stuff and won't let you even reflect on the good stuff. The only way to let go is to accept, some here are unwilling to do that, I would seem to be one of those.

I used to be like that. Used to spend all my time thinking about stuff, wondering why and why and why. Tidal waves of feeling wrong and shit about my life, only tiny glimpses of good that I couldn't hold on to.

Its true, letting go is hard. Its almost as if you have to try everything else first, every other possible way before it becomes the only thing left that you can do. So, you might just have to keep going with things feeling bad and possibly getting worse for now, but KEEP GOING.

 

[medobun]

I believe that the will of god coexists with your free human will. These 2 wills don't harm each other. But humans do decisions and these decisions have consequences. And even if you make a bad decisions god will stick with you and guide you through these new circumstances if you let him.

The problem is more that we can't get an explanation why we suffer or why we struggle. The humanity declared what is normal, what depression is or whats good and bad or normal or not normal. I hope you can get what I'm saying. Not everybody has the capacity to accept some thing and for my opinion thats totally ok. Some will enjoy their life paralyzed and do the best others are just begging that this situation ends. How you get to be a human being. Your are always the sum of what your life is - parents, genes, situations and so on.

So if you decide to take your life the consequence is that you won't be any more on this planet. Why should god be angry at you? If you are struggling the only thing he will have is understanding.

 

[chasedtheWind]

We all exit...Your absence from this world, no matter the method, is felt by all those close to you.
CTB is just frowned upon because it's a deliberate and fast-forwarded decision by You.

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Entropy always increases over time in any closed system, ie. everything tends towards a decrease in organisation as it tries to get to a lower energy state. What's weird is why energy has a tendency to attempt to organise into matter in increasingly complex states over time.
These two patterns have always seemed paradoxical to me, so I infer that one potentially happens as a response to the other.

This is a strange one.
Why would there be these localized decreases in entropy, and very localized extreme states of evolving complexity in the form of self-organizing life systems?
Maybe if we were able to step out of the universe and survey the whole as one spacetime block, it would make sense.

 

[Not_Quite_Dead_Yet]

Pah! I am so weary of being told God has a plan for us. I immediately tune out when I hear someone start on that "plan" malarkey. It just doesn't fly.

 

[Deleted member 94]

Pah! I am so weary of being told God has a plan for us. I immediately tune out when I hear someone start on that "plan" malarkey. It just doesn't fly.

Is innocent children who have never wronged anyone suffering part of his plan, especially the ones being sexually abused by his clergy.

 

[everydayiloveyou]

I believe that the will of god coexists with your free human will. These 2 wills don't harm each other. But humans do decisions and these decisions have consequences. And even if you make a bad decisions god will stick with you and guide you through these new circumstances if you let him.

The problem is more that we can't get an explanation why we suffer or why we struggle. The humanity declared what is normal, what depression is or whats good and bad or normal or not normal. I hope you can get what I'm saying. Not everybody has the capacity to accept some thing and for my opinion thats totally ok. Some will enjoy their life paralyzed and do the best others are just begging that this situation ends. How you get to be a human being. Your are always the sum of what your life is - parents, genes, situations and so on.

So if you decide to take your life the consequence is that you won't be any more on this planet. Why should god be angry at you? If you are struggling the only thing he will have is understanding.

This is so beautifully put, especially the part about us being the sum of our lives.

I think there's things God can't control. Mental illness and suffering are two such things. I like to believe He always tries to lead us towards our best path. But ultimately we're the makers of our own destiny, we can't just talk to God and ask Him what He would do or what He wants. If we did that, we would be sitting around forever waiting for some command. But in the end, no matter what, he knows how we feel, and He understands

 

[Disappointered]

I used to use religion as a crutch but now I just admit to myself that I don't believe in much of anything. I find some to be a bit cartoonish with ridiculous mythlogical fanatasies and some useless self-help BS and others to be appalling in the stories they are based on. I guess the only version I don't think is totally ridiculous is the Christian one but even then I would have my own denomination of one with interpretations that are probably way different from the establishment papal positions or denominational doctrines and I'd probably lean towards being some kind of Marcionite since I find the old testament to be badly written and generally horrifying. Whatever is reality about some greater being, he/she/it is just not here, at least not for me. I guess that's the plan if there is one: not to have one I have any awareness of so why bother trying to be aware of it. But I'm sure there's an interpretation of pretty much every religion that might allow you to kill yourself...an interpretation you could make up based on the rest of the doctrines and religious texts. It's all garbage imo. If it helps some people, all the better. I was in a dangerous cult so for me it was not helpful.

 

[antigone_iris]

I believe that humans have free will. If God is omniscient, then He knows everything about us, past, present and future. If there's a plan made by Him, I'm assuming it'll encompass all the decisions made by a person according to that person's particular purpose in this lifetime. I can't speak for God, but I can say this from my own POV: you have a choice and He already knows everything. It's a matter of personal belief if you believe in God and God's plan, and I don't know what He thinks about suicide, or any other of our decisions. I don't really know what to think of the "plan", but I sure would like to know what that plan is for me.

 

[medobun]

This is so beautifully put, especially the part about us being the sum of our lives.

I think there's things God can't control. Mental illness and suffering are two such things. I like to believe He always tries to lead us towards our best path. But ultimately we're the makers of our own destiny, we can't just talk to God and ask Him what He would do or what He wants. If we did that, we would be sitting around forever waiting for some command. But in the end, no matter what, he knows how we feel, and He understands

There is a story from a movie. Where a man is about to drown in the see and he prays to god. While he's praying there are 2 boats coming by but he refuses to go on the boat because he is the opinion that god will help him.... god sent him the boats and he didn't recognize the message. I think that this is very common the problem - the capability to see the right things ans messages is unfortunately totally interrupted through our suffering.

 

[Bootleg Astolfo]

If god exist and this shit was part of his plan im bashing his fucking face in to death.

 

[Disappointered]

If god exist and this shit was part of his plan im bashing his fucking face in to death.

The "problem of evil" has yet to be resolved so I think it complicates belief in free will.