Id like to hear y'alls opinions on this thread and the therapist in question

[DepressionsAHo]

 

[forever21]

Funny, ive read this on reddit too. I suggest this happened in the US. Here in germany, I am pretty sure it is against the law for a therapist basically advice their patient to commit suicide. I don't know of she is right, there are people on reddit claiming they have bipolar and live a "normal" life.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

Funny, ive read this on reddit too. I suggest this happened in the US. Here in germany, I am pretty sure it is against the law for a therapist basically advice their patient to commit suicide. I don't know of she is right, there are people on reddit claiming they have bipolar and live a "normal" life.

Wait the link is loading for you? Oh ok

Funny, ive read this on reddit too. I suggest this happened in the US. Here in germany, I am pretty sure it is against the law for a therapist basically advice their patient to commit suicide. I don't know of she is right, there are people on reddit claiming they have bipolar and live a "normal" life.

This is what it looks like to me

 

[GerMann]

This Story can not be really true.

 

[ArtVandelay]

Doesn't sound like this kid is allowed to have much of a life. Not allowed to leave the house, and his parents check on him every 30 minutes, even at night? What teenager in that situation wouldn't want to die? I know he was suicidal before they did that, but treating him like an infant child is just going to make him feel worse.

The therapist seems chill though. I would sign up for sessions with her. The dad sounds like a total prick, barging in on her next appointment, which violates the privacy of her patient.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

This Story can not be really true.

Say it was though. Whats your opinion on the therapist? Do you think she was ethically wrong in saying so or do you think she was faced with a young man and did the right thing by telling him, in her professional opinion, he couldn't get better?

Doesn't sound like this kid is allowed to have much of a life. Not allowed to leave the house, and his parents check on him every 30 minutes, even at night? What teenager in that situation wouldn't want to die? I know he was suicidal before they did that, but treating him like an infant child is just going to make him feel worse.

He's also violent which worries me but I'm conflicted on the therapist. Was she right? Was she a person who understands that some can't get better?

 

[Untitled]

Man, I really feel for the son. It sounds like his father took away every bit of privacy and control he had over his life. I have no opinion about therapists advising people to kill themselves, but her answer "his brain is wired differently" sounds like bullshit to me.

 

[ArtVandelay]

Was she right? Was she a person who understands that some can't get better?

The concept of "right or wrong" is something I gave up on a long time ago. You can always make it look like someone is either right or wrong by changing the perspective a bit. But I think the point she was making was probably that if someone doesn't want to get better, then they won't. I don't believe this kid had any hope or desire to get better.

 

[Jean4]

I am a licensed LCSW-R. If the story is true, and if the therapist was licensed. He/she would have their license revoked, if this was the USA.

 

[Miserable]

What she did was illegal and unethical in terms of psych board standards. Do *I* think it was unethical? Surprisingly, yes. I want suicide to become an accepted practice by I pretty much feel no one under 25 should ever give up; there is just too much in your life that can change. Secondly, I don't think two months is long enough for a therapist to know that it's hopeless.

So hate the client been older and more time spent with him, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Except... I'm assuming that suicide was his suggestion given his history, I would have a BIG problem with someone being told suicide is the best option if they never brought it up themselves.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Say it was though. Whats your opinion on the therapist? Do you think she was ethically wrong in saying so or do you think she was faced with a young man and did the right thing by telling him, in her professional opinion, he couldn't get better?

He's also violent which worries me but I'm conflicted on the therapist. Was she right? Was she a person who understands that some can't get better?

but she didnt even say cant get better-actually said-better of dying! awful wording if that is true-find it hard to believe a trained therapist (a well regarded one noless) would refer to essentially the very essence/crux of their whole career/profession as "chit-chat!"

 

[SoupSnakes]

I'd be interested to know how old the son is now as it only says he was 15 when he was diagnosed. The parents are in the wrong here as he needs some control over his life, they need to give him his door back and allow him some trust again.

That therapist needs to be sacked. I'm pretty sure it's illegal / against their ethics to advise and/or agree that their clients should take their own lives. Not only that, why on earth would she be happy with that being her work? God forbid how many other clients she has said it to who haven't gone home and said something and the poor families who have lost someone because she's made them feel like they need to end their lives.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Is there any chance that she might have said to the boy- Do YOU think you would be better of dying? like it was actually as more as more of a question-as that is something they might do-to get him to open up.

If not it would be hugely unprofesional, against the code of conduct and irresponsible-to the extent that you could probably sue for negligence within her field of practise. And she would be struck off too.

 

[Miserable]

Is there any chance that she might have said to the boy- Do YOU think you would be better of dying? like it was actually as more as more of a question-as that is something they might do-to get him to open up.

If not it would be hugely unprofesional and irresponsible-to the extent that you could probably sue for negligence within her field of practise.

well the shrink admitted it after, in the story anyway

 

[MeltingHeart]

well the shrink admitted it after, in the story anyway

oh ooops- i need to read slower! weirdly I actually kinda a therapist would say that to the people that are trying to block me-id appreciate someone fighting my case that i actually want to be left the f**k alone to do what I wanna do- but then im not a young teenager with a mental health issue-that should and can be helped! with the right kind of treatment plan

 

[omoidarui]

therapists are always acting unethically according to this forum, whether they're pro-life, pro-choice, anythin

 

[MeltingHeart]

therapists are always acting unethically according to this forum, whether they're pro-life, pro-choice, anythin

yeah but in this case it's not just a matter of being useless or not appearing to be able to help- what they said in pretty sure would literally be considered a breach of their ethical code of conduct

 

[piupianissimo]

but to be completely honest I wish my therapist would say that to me so I could have a valid explanation/reason for ctb lolol anyone else??

 

[OneBigBlur]

therapists are always acting unethically according to this forum, whether they're pro-life, pro-choice, anythin

I think any therapist that is pro choice is a good human being in my book, but obviously the few that have this belief can't say it out loud. However, this therapists choice of words sounded malicious and that's entirely different in my book.

 

[SoupSnakes]

but to be completely honest I wish my therapist would say that to me so I could have a valid explanation/reason for ctb lolol anyone else??

I think it's a concern that your only valid reason would be that.

 

[oopswronglife]

The story is probably fake because Reddit is mostly just children and people who are mentally still children trying to get attention, make drama, and troll...and companies and govts trying to manipulate. The kids you can sort of forgive because they are just ignorant and trying to fit in, thought no less annoying, but for adults the quality of people on that site is very low and it's either liars,bullies, and bigots, or marketers and shills. All taking advantage of the anonymity to show how terrible they are.

 

[piupianissimo]

I think it's a concern that your only valid reason would be that.

Well no it's not my only valid reason... welp no definitely not, I totally misphrased it... I mean if I'm trying to explain and I just add "and I've even gone to therapy and my therapist told me that" it would seem a bit more "backed-up"...??! Oops don't know how to explain

 

[lonelywhale]

I think it would be unethical because you send someone to a therapist in hopes of curing them and rehabilitating them and that kinda sorta implies that the patient needs to stay alive, as that's what we understand under "getting better." Any problem could be solved by a bullet or two to the head but when people want their problems solved it's usually not the solution they are looking for.

I also think the story is highly unrealistic, to be fair.

 

[Empty Smile]

My last therapist told me that there was nothing more she could do for me, and sent me on my way. No meds, no referrals, nothing. I said fuck them, and haven't been back to one since.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

I can say I'm really surprised at the responses to this post and all of your opinions have opened up my eyes to new possibilities. I agree heavily on the "2 months is to short to have made this diagnosis". I have a slight hesitation to the therapist. Shes was bothers me heavily. I do think if her son can be saved by any means, try it out. People on this forum are usually against medication and I know this young man has tried a lot to no avail but perhaps a stay COULD help him. I'm still conflicted and my heart Is broken for this young man

I think any therapist that is pro choice is a good human being in my book, but obviously the few that have this belief can't say it out loud. However, this therapists choice of words sounded malicious and that's entirely different in my book.

That's why I'm so hesitant with her. Is she a person that is pro choice and said it out of compassion or is she... getting off (I don't know what other words to say) to telling a 15 year old that he'd be better off killing himself? 2 months as someone else said is far to short of a time to make that diagnosis. But thank you very much for sharing your thoughts

 

[lonelywhale]

My last therapist told me that there was nothing more she could do for me, and sent me on my way. No meds, no referrals, nothing. I said fuck them, and haven't been back to one since.

Well, without any context that could sound worse than it was. The thing is, at the end of the day they can't really do a whole lot more than offer you their attention and help you reflect and practice some introspection in hopes of maybe helping you. The way I see it is they help you help yourself, which may or may not be fast/slow/possible/impossible.

It goes without saying that if they didn't even bother to do that, they failed at what they should have done.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

What she did was illegal and unethical in terms of psych board standards. Do *I* think it was unethical? Surprisingly, yes. I want suicide to become an accepted practice by I pretty much feel no one under 25 should ever give up; there is just too much in your life that can change. Secondly, I don't think two months is long enough for a therapist to know that it's hopeless.

So hate the client been older and more time spent with him, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Except... I'm assuming that suicide was his suggestion given his history, I would have a BIG problem with someone being told suicide is the best option if they never brought it up themselves.

We also dont know how old his son is now. At this point, I'm surprised they haven't put him in a mental hospital, assuming this whole story is true. I am surprised at your answer. I figured it would garner a mix of responses but it seems most on here are against the therapist which surprises me the most

 

[ArtVandelay]

We also dont know how old his son is now.

In the title it says he's 17. I imagine the parents are going to lose their shit when he turns 18 and can't control him so much anymore.

 

[DepressionsAHo]

but she didnt even say cant get better-actually said-better of dying! awful wording if that is true-find it hard to believe a trained therapist (a well regarded one noless) would refer to essentially the very essence/crux of their whole career/profession as "chit-chat!"

I can understand that last part but I think he was probably paraphrasing in that context. There was only one thing that was in quotes

 

[hopeless__soul]

it seems like she didnt literally tell him he should die , thats just how OP's son interpreted it, but if she did, I do think thats kinda messed up but on the other hand the family forbidding him of any kind of privacy and watching him every hour is even worse IMO