i would burn habitats if i could

[wehamuho]

life is shit. everyday millions of animals die the worst imaginable ways, not just bad, the shittiest body can offer. and some illness goes on & on & on.
the lifes are shit. the few ones who make to adults live well? its a cycle almost entirely dedicated to just get enough to live another day. scarcity is common. all time high guard 4 hostile animals & the almost constant stress of that. territorial fights are brutal. mating fights are brutal. resource fights are brutal.

oh but u say i hyperfocus in suffering but there is good too... wanna see how a happy day is in the wild? you work ur ass off foraging & working processing what u got like a bad grind job, but worse,, u dont have breaks, u cant afford more than sleep & some shadow time to cool, & u dont get to enjoy hobbies at home. you fill or hoard all day, cuz u never know when ull eat again. their groups are so hierarchized & rigid & virtually all species have dominants... read studies as when alphas die and societies loosen stress drops, it is clearly bad, do u enjoy low status? do u think this is anthropomorphizing? cuz animals suuuuuuure love when they cant get mates or submitting or getting less resources etc etc etc. i am suuuuuuure animals were never seen to return to refugees after release cuz they suuuuurely prefer the comfortable wild ehhhh!! why u think they like it more than we liked 14 hour agriculture in middle age? we werent happy then, animals have it way worse...
& that are good days cuz mating seasons, drought cycles, low crop cycles, prey decrease, chases, guard time, menaces & takeovers, huge territoriality, so much eventuality happens u need to account and is so common, i even doubts most days are that ideal as above and those are not good still. you justify that gore horrible shit for what???

if it was up to me, wed not tolerate this shit any+. its so fucking horrible we need to stop it asap. and wed be burning every1 greezone in the planet for habitat loss cuz nature is THAT much of a FUCKING SHITSHOW. & in no way fucking worth living or continuing & long term harm is way more extreme!!! i hate i have no mobility basically so i cant and i hate it. if i could, i would.
so if ur gonna defend it tell me why so selective for what suffering matters? if u care so much then why would u defend this horrible cycle & do nothing? think if u care 'bout it or just wanna have ur hands clean...

 

[ZwartHartje]

I do love Nature, and I think the greatest harm to other species still comes from humans. I lost my entire family to mass-murdering humans. My family were nutrias. I've never been remotely as close with any humans in my life, I do understand other species.
Yes, the law of the wilderness is harsh, but wanting to destroy *everything* is not a solution at all, and humans have been destroying way, way too much as it is.
Yes, it's a fight for survival - but other species are built for it. They are physically much stronger and much more resilient than our degenerate human bodies are. This goes pretty much for all wild animals without exception, proportionally to their size and weight.
In proportion to their weight of only a few grams, a tiny mouse is much stronger than you or I! And humans have themselves to blame for having become so degenerate. They cheated their way to the top of the food chain where they were never meant to be, and then cheated a bit more, avoiding physical toil as much as possible.

Personally I'm an athlete, I work out really hard and I'm extremely strong for a female human. But compared to other animals I'm still ridiculously slow and weak, I'm still a pathetic human, and all humans are pathetic compared to other animals.
I sure do care about their suffering, but I also respect and admire them. I wish I could undo all suffering that has ever been caused to the natural world by humans, which far exceeds all other suffering. Slavery and lifelong incarceration in factory farms or amusement parks has never existed throughout the long history of life on Earth, not in all the hundreds of millions of years until this ugly naked ape species came along, which I'm ashamed to be a member of. Fortunately that's temporary...
And hopefully humanity itself will be just a temporary incident in Earth's history. A glitch in an otherwise perfectly functional biosphere. Albeit a very serious glitch, more akin to a cancer. I hope the Earth will heal itself from this cancer that is humanity.

 

[wehamuho]

Yes, it's a fight for survival - but other species are built for it. They are physically much stronger and much more resilient than our degenerate human bodies are.

eh. i do not buy. we did that same lifestyle for thousands of years with huge success. our ancestors, our ape relatives, all of them. theres nothing so different at core & other mals. why u think its the case?

also must i add our bodies are made 4 tool use & endurance & coordination. thats what we have little muscle mass its the scientific consensus we arent "weak" at all were beasts at adaptation and yet we suffer...

 

[3rdworldsadness]

Agree with you:/

 

[ZwartHartje]

eh. i do not buy. we did that same lifestyle for thousands of years with huge success. our ancestors, our ape relatives, all of them. theres nothing so different at core & other mals. why u think its the case?

also must i add our bodies are made 4 tool use & endurance & coordination. thats what we have little muscle mass its the scientific consensus we arent "weak" at all were beasts at adaptation and yet we suffer...

As to why it's the case, as I said, it's mainly self-inflicted, in two ways. One is by offloading all physical work to machines as much as possible. The second one is even worse, it's having completely disabled the process of natural selection for humanity. There's this twisted religious kind of view that all human life, and human life only, is "sacred" and must survive at any price - absolutely ZERO restrictions on breeding, even at 8.2 billion!

Some shocking statistics I learned about recently: Of all terrestrial mammals (excluding marine ones), by MASS/ weight, 60% are "livestock", 36% are humans, and only 4% are wild mammals - so those 4% include all sorts of tiny rodents like mice (a few grams per individual, but MANY), as well as all elephants, buffalo, tigers, hippos... ALL.

Secondly, a list of all primates by population size, found on Wikipedia. After humans with 8.2 billion, the next numerous of the great apes is the chimpanzee. How many? Maximum estimate 470,000! That's right, not even half a MILLION! And they're the most numerous after humans, of all others - gorillas, bonobos, Orangutans, etc. - there are even fewer!

 

[Tobacco]

Give me a chainsaw and basic food and I'll go destroy some biospheres. What goes on in nature is beyond horrible.