i wish i was a neet

[zeek]

i wish i was a neet with no responsibilities so i could just cope and do nothing all day forever

 

[WhatPowerIs]

same, i'd rather be a NEET than take one more step into my college campus again

 

[avaruus]

I'm a neet for 2,5 years now.
It's fun when you can just dive into your inner fantazies, watch porn all day, play videogames, watch youtube, watch movies/series/anime all day.
But it gets dull after a while, the copium runs out and reality hits you in your face, and then you realize how society views you at the same way it views drug addicts, pedophiles and etc... like utter garbage. Hindrance to society.

 

[skar]

Been a NEET for far too long. I've just turned 25, currently in final year of graduation and looking for a job. Trust me, being a NEET is the worst thing in the world. You wanna kill yourself on a daily basis.

 

[SmollMushroom]

i wish i was a neet with no responsibilities so i could just cope and do nothing all day forever

I'm a neet, and by what you typed, you sound really ignorant to me.

 

[zeek]

I'm a neet, and by what you typed, you sound really ignorant to me.

sorry

I'm a neet for 2,5 years now.
It's fun when you can just dive into your inner fantazies, watch porn all day, play videogames, watch youtube, watch movies/series/anime all day.
But it gets dull after a while, the copium runs out and reality hits you in your face, and then you realize how society views you at the same way it views drug addicts, pedophiles and etc... like utter garbage. Hindrance to society.

i get that, but i want to just lie down and rot honestly. not play games all day and jack off.

Hinderance to society.

im gonna be that either way

 

[Unending]

I'm disabled and stuck at home everyday alone. it isn't really that fun. It has some moments that are better than others but I haven't been doing so well. That being said, I understand where you're coming from.

 

[Don’tDoxMe]

No you don't lol. Having no purpose, goal, or drive in life is why I want to ctb in the first place

 

[peace_van]

It feels good to be a neet for maybe at most several months, but you will feel life is meaningless if staying under this condition for too long.
Also the money running out can make you anxious.
Loneliness is another factor.
Eventually all these would bring you to ctb

 

[Unhumanly.]

I've been a neet for some years after finishing school, homeless too, but I got a work now, even if I got a work, it doesn't feels like having a reason to get up and through the day but rather feels like a force pushed to me, out of the shame and demand my environment and peoples throw at me

I'd say I'll be a NEET again once I've wasted to nothing, slowly disappearing away, with nobody to even recognize me, so there's no shame and demand to throw at me, because nobody will even know me to reach me, I will become unreachable
Then it will also be the very day I'd open the door to the true exit

 

[zeek]

Having no purpose, goal, or drive in life is why I want to ctb in the first place

im that either way.
at least this way i wont have to keep going to college and keep failing my classes

you will feel life is meaningless

Loneliness is another factor.

already there

 

[Hikikomori1]

No you don't.

It will be fun at first but overtime the loneliness depression and lack of success and accomplishments will catch up to you as you get older. and you will start to feel like you have wasted your life.

7-years NEET here will be 8 next year.

 

[zeek]

loneliness depression and lack of success and accomplishments

already there lol
ive become a neet now anyways

 

[Hikikomori1]

already there lol
ive become a neet now anyways

Eventually we all turn into this and then our parents die and then we die.

 

[Adûnâi]

I was a NEET in 2015-18, then went to another uni, but I was the only one in my class until 2022. It was amazing. Now walking to see people kissing in public makes me depressed and suicidal.

It will be fun at first but overtime the loneliness depression and lack of success and accomplishments will catch up to you as you get older. and you will start to feel like you have wasted your life.

Are you implying a NEET can "not" waste his life? How so? That's leaving aside the philosophical questions about waste.

By the way, considering your name, do you have any knowledge as to how Japanese society allows for NEETs to exist? Aren't they super-competitive? Or are parents shamed into caring for their sons?

 

[SmollMushroom]

Eventually we all turn into this and then our parents die and then we die.


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Are you implying a NEET can "not" waste his life? How so? That's leaving aside the philosophical questions about waste.

You guys are mixing up the meaning of NEET and hikikomori.
A NEET is simply someone who is not in education, employment or training.

That does not mean they are stuck in their rooms and live in front of a monitor like most of hikikomoris do.

You can be a NEET and get outside, have no problem in relating with others and have no social issues.
You can be a NEET and live off of money that comes (for example) from renting a house or a flat, left to you by one of your parents or relatives.
I know people who live like this, yet they are NEETs. Unless you want to consider the renting of a house as a job (lol).
This was only an example, but there are other ways to have a passive income without having what society consider 'a typical job'.

Hikikomoris, on the other hand, are completely withdrawn from society - they do not have (or barely have) any social relationship and they spend 99% of their time in their home.
The NEET is was talking about spends most of their time outside, goes to clubs and meets chicks. Not exactly how an hikikomori would live. And yet, he can do that by just renting a house that is located in a touristic town.

That being said, to answer @Adûnâi, no I don't think this guy is 'wasting' his life, even if he's a NEET, but that's just my opinion.
And don't you think it's an exception. Renting properties is very common where I live since my country has a pretty high influx of tourists from all over the world.

To sum it up NEET =/= hikikomori
But most of hikikomoris are NEETs, hence the confusion in this thread.

 

[Adûnâi]

no I don't think this guy is 'wasting' his life, even if he's a NEET, but that's just my opinion.

I meant hikki then.

 

[SleepySept]

You know there's a mukbanger I watch that talked about being in a shut-in lifestyle for a good part of his early 20s. And it really hit me how he described it. He would play video games, wasn't in school, had online friends and ordered food a lot. He said that life was super easy while skipping responsibilities, sometimes misses those days, and had a lot of fun, but mentioned he was never actually happy then. And it hit hard, since while distracting myself everyday I wasn't bad off, I was still very suicidal but had a lot of fun, but realized I couldn't describe it as being happy.


Also Welcome to the NHK's a pretty good anime on this sort of lifestyle if you haven't watched it.

 

[WhatPowerIs]

Some people continue dragging their feet along trying to succeed in work/school and they end up killing themselves anyway. It's the pure struggle of trying to maintain the illusion of being a functioning member of society that is making me intensely suicidal.

 

[Seered Doom]

I had a hikikomori NEET lifestyle and honestly? It's society's fault for making it a pick your poison scenario. I've had it off and on from how my jobs treated disabled people (the ones of my type) like shit and expendable to the point where even diversity hires grew tired of me and threw me out for someone better in their eyes. So in that sense, hikikomori NEET style is better for not having social interaction a ton and being inside all day which I personally would prefer if it weren't for how parents and society treated those in said lifestyles but yeah, reality hits hard so most people would rather be seen as productive members of society, but the burnout be real as well.

 

[Fimbulvetr]

As someone who's forced to be a NEET so my parents can get my disability check I'm surprised someone would want this? I wish I could just bury myself in a job or something instead.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I wish I could be a "wage slave".

Being a NEET isn't desirable at all but it's understandable it may seem that well. Losing the ability to relate to the average person is very painful.

 

[Riig]

i wish i was a neet with no responsibilities so i could just cope and do nothing all day forever

Until you realise that you threw away the last vestage of your Soul for nothing a Year in. Especially when you have no Friends or Family youre going to become head against the wall mental when enough time has passed and you realise money is running out and health problems are starting to kick in from doing jack shit all day.

I wish I could be a "wage slave".

Being a NEET isn't desirable at all but it's understandable it may seem that well. Losing the ability to relate to the average person is very painful.

Pretty much. Biggest problem trying to get back in is finding any meaning, its good to have a job and talking to others but when there is no life narrative, faith/religion or a personal goal being set its very hard to continue working for essentially nothing. And then there is the slowly creeping feeling of becoming a nuisance to others by not growing as a person since you dont have a real foundation to begin with. Although this only applies if youre not able to make friends when everybody is already busy enough with their own lives. Its a Nightmarish Circle but actually having a Job grounds you and humbles you every once in a while when you genuinely start getting head against the wall mental in your 4 walls.

 

[Hikikomori1]

The NEET is was talking about spends most of their time outside, goes to clubs and meets chicks.

No they don't LMAO.

Even if you are a NEET that does go outside and have friends not a single one goes to clubs and fucks sluts obviously you have never been on 4chan have you?

Most of the NEETs on there are just complaining about how lonely they are.

To sum it up NEET =/= hikikomori
But most of hikikomoris are NEETs, hence the confusion in this thread.

All hikikomori are NEETs the definition of hikikomori means not contributing to society not working or going to school and not leaving your room inside your parents house for 6 months.

By the way, considering your name, do you have any knowledge as to how Japanese society allows for NEETs to exist? Aren't they super-competitive? Or are parents shamed into caring for their sons?

I will say what i said to someone else.

The west has a very poor understanding on hikikomori and outside Japan it has become another word like recluse or shut-in but in reality hikikomori are very different from your typical western shut-in.

Unlike in the west where people isolate due to mental illness physical health problems or being introverted hikikomori become hikikomori because of some social setback that makes them feel like they have failed to live up to society's expectations which is different from a western shut-in.

The reasons could be such as doing poorly in school not passing the Japanese entrance exams failing to keep up the tatemae ( 建前) or Polite outside face when outside in public in Japanese society.


Japanese parents also often feel ashamed if their child has become a hikikomori and hide the child away and lie to friends and extended family to avoid shame.

In more extreme cases without some kind of help it can go on and on for years to the point where the hikikomori is 50-years old and the parents are 80-years old which is called the 50/80 problem.

Hikikomori do exist in other countries but the 50/80 problem seems to only exist in Japan.

I recommend watching the BBC documentary Mystery of the missing million as it covers the more extreme hikikomori cases with almost 0 communication poor living conditions and not leaving their rooms at all to the points where the parents leave the food outside the room door.

It is very insightful even though it is old.

 

[SmollMushroom]

No they don't LMAO.

Even if you are a NEET that does go outside and have friends not a single one goes to clubs and fucks sluts obviously you have never been on 4chan have you?

Most of the NEETs on there are just complaining about how lonely they are.

Uhh, they do? You can't just assume that all NEETs live as they say they do on 4chan, just because that's your only known reality.
Sure, probably NEETs with friends and partners are still a minority, but they do exist. We are not talking about some sort of mythical creature here. How are you so sure that not a single one of them meets up with girls/men? lol

All hikikomori are NEETs the definition of hikikomori means not contributing to society not working or going to school and not leaving your room inside your parents house for 6 months.

So what happens if a hikikomori takes a 3 month online course to be instructed for a certain job? They cease to be a NEET, because they are in training, but they are still living the hikikomori life. So again, not all hikikomoris are necessarily NEETs, only most of them as I originally said.


I don't know why you want so hard to push the narrative you created in your head of this black and white picture about NEETs and hikikomoris, when the reality is clearly closer to different grades of grey.
Also, the 6 months thing is just an indicator, along with all the others that you copied and paste here from Wikipedia.
One doesn't need to meet all 'checks' you listed to be considered a hikikomori, that's also why there are different severity of the hikikomori syndrome.
It works like that for many generic illnesses as well, one doesn't need to have all of the symptoms to be diagnosed, only most of them.

 

[zeek]

i am not saying i would be happy as a neet
every suffering you describe being a hikkineet entails i have/am already going/been through
although at this point i have become a hikkineet, back then it was about removing commitment to the world before ctb
having NO responsibilities

 

[Hikikomori1]

Uhh, they do? You can't just assume that all NEETs live as they say they do on 4chan, just because that's your only known reality.
Sure, probably NEETs with friends and partners are still a minority, but they do exist. We are not talking about some sort of mythical creature here. How are you so sure that not a single one of them meets up with girls/men? lol

Because if most of them did the Reeeeee normies meme would not exist.

The majority of western NEETs are incels/Robots if you do not believe me 4chan is not the only place you can go on Wizardchan or r/anti-work or r/NEET and see for yourself none of them talk about fucking bitches and women are banned from posting on Wizardchan and r/NEET.

Even back when 4chan /r9k/ was mostly a NEET male virgin board around 2014 threads made by women would be derailed and they would be told to get the fuck out.

So what happens if a hikikomori takes a 3 month online course to be instructed for a certain job? They cease to be a NEET, because they are in training, but they are still living the hikikomori life. So again, not all hikikomoris are necessarily NEETs, only most of them as I originally said.


I don't know why you want so hard to push the narrative you created in your head of this black and white picture about NEETs and hikikomoris, when the reality is clearly closer to different grades of grey.

By definition they do not fucking work or go to school if you have an online job or take online classes you are still apart of society and going to work/school.

I already stated this in the post above but i will repeat it again.


Unlike in the west where people isolate due to mental illness physical health problems or being introverted hikikomori become hikikomori because of some social setback that makes them feel like they have failed to live up to society's expectations which is different from a western shut-in.

The reasons could be such as doing poorly in school not passing the Japanese entrance exams failing to keep up the tatemae ( 建前) or Polite outside face when outside in public in Japanese society.


Japanese parents also often feel ashamed if their child has become a hikikomori and hide the child away and lie to friends and extended family to avoid shame.

In more extreme cases without some kind of help it can go on and on for years to the point where the hikikomori is 50-years old and the parents are 80-years old which is called the 50/80 problem.

Hikikomori do exist in other countries but the 50/80 problem seems to only exist in Japan.

Now with all this in mind how the hell can they work or take classes online?

That defeats the entire purpose of being hikikomori which is to withdraw from nearly everything and everyone including family friends education and or a job.

Plus they are working there is no reason to help them because i guess they are doing fine by themselves and all the hikikomori/NEET support centers in Japan should close and lose money LMAO.

Also, the 6 months thing is just an indicator, along with all the others that you copied and paste here from Wikipedia.
One doesn't need to meet all 'checks' you listed to be considered a hikikomori, that's also why there are different severity of the hikikomori syndrome.
It works like that for many generic illnesses as well, one doesn't need to have all of the symptoms to be diagnosed, only most of them.

Facts do not care about your feelings it is not black and white it is fact.

Yes most hikikomori do not live like the more extreme cases you see in the media but none of them are working or in education when in the hikikomori state.

 

[Riig]

Because if most of them did the Reeeeee normies meme would not exist.

The majority of western NEETs are incels/Robots if you do not believe me 4chan is not the only place you can go on Wizardchan or r/anti-work or r/NEET and see for yourself none of them talk about fucking bitches and women are banned from posting on Wizardchan and r/NEET.

Even back when 4chan /r9k/ was mostly a NEET male virgin board around 2014 threads made by women would be derailed and they would be told to get the fuck out.


By definition they do not fucking work or go to school if you have an online job or take online classes you are still apart of society and going to work/school.

I already stated this in the post above but i will repeat it again.


Unlike in the west where people isolate due to mental illness physical health problems or being introverted hikikomori become hikikomori because of some social setback that makes them feel like they have failed to live up to society's expectations which is different from a western shut-in.

The reasons could be such as doing poorly in school not passing the Japanese entrance exams failing to keep up the tatemae ( 建前) or Polite outside face when outside in public in Japanese society.


Japanese parents also often feel ashamed if their child has become a hikikomori and hide the child away and lie to friends and extended family to avoid shame.

In more extreme cases without some kind of help it can go on and on for years to the point where the hikikomori is 50-years old and the parents are 80-years old which is called the 50/80 problem.

Hikikomori do exist in other countries but the 50/80 problem seems to only exist in Japan.

Now with all this in mind how the hell can they work or take classes online?

That defeats the entire purpose of being hikikomori which is to withdraw from nearly everything and everyone including family friends education and or a job.

Plus they are working there is no reason to help them because i guess they are doing fine by themselves and all the hikikomori/NEET support centers in Japan should close and lose money LMAO.




Facts do not care about your feelings it is not black and white it is fact.

Yes most hikikomori do not live like the more extreme cases you see in the media but none of them are working or in education when in the hikikomori state.

I find it very strange that a forum mostly inhabited by People who probably consume Anime, are somewhat familiar with Japan and most likely watched media like NHK ni Yōkoso or actual NHK docus on 'Moris keep confusing things like NEETs, Hikkikomori and other forms of general social isolation. Although @SmollMushroom got one thing right which is in some really rare cases ive seen some Neets & Hikkikomoris actually start half-assed sexual relationships outside of wider society with women while they are living as a NEET or Hikkikomori, although the relationship is usually one sided and comes from the female partner whom is also depressed and/or has some bizarre kinks & fetishes everytime ive witnessed it happen.

 

[Hikikomori1]

I find it very strange that a forum mostly inhabited by People who probably consume Anime, are somewhat familiar with Japan and most likely watched media like NHK ni Yōkoso or actual NHK docus on 'Moris keep confusing things like NEETs, Hikkikomori and other forms of general social isolation.

That misunderstanding mainly comes from hikikomori being translated as shut-in in English when it was brought over to the English language in 2010 but in reality it doesn't directly translate to shut-in recluse or hermit.

The accurate translation is Pulling inward (Acute Social Withdrawal) which basically means extreme degrees of isolation in one's room.



The idea that a hikikomori can still be a hikikomori while taking classes or having a job is mostly only a western thing created from the mistranslation and misunderstandings on the subject,

Although @SmollMushroom got one thing right which is in some really rare cases ive seen some Neets & Hikkikomoris actually start half-assed sexual relationships outside of wider society with women while they are living as a NEET or Hikkikomori, although the relationship is usually one sided and comes from the female partner whom is also depressed and/or has some bizarre kinks & fetishes everytime ive witnessed it happen.

A relationship like that would either be online only or long distance.

 

[Hikikomori1]

I actually like having responsibilities, they give me a purpose in life. Life is about finding enjoyment in the small things.

Life is meaningless and a big joke.