Discussion I want to make a video defending our community

[Versailles]

As this title indicates, I want to make a video in defense of our community, and as a response to the Tantacrul video, since I don't care much about being exposed (I only expose my voice in my videos, I never show my face), and my english has improved a lot
Also, I want this video to be taken as a reference when arguing in favor of this site, therefore, I want this thread to be used to collect anything useful
Any argument, experience, anecdote, or thought that serves to make an answer, please send it to me in the form of a private message, it is preferable.
If, on the other hand, most people feel that this is a bad idea, then I will give up on my idea.

 

[NotStrongEnough]

I like the idea, but what I am afraid of, is they'll use your video for even worse purposes.

That being said, I think some of the most impactful shit that people could see are the responses here, especially responses to the younger people. How 99.9% of us don't encourage ANYONE to kill themselves.

Also, please tear down the fucking "connection" between this and the incel forums. This place doesn't skew male as far as I can tell and it definitely doesn't have a lot of incels (a few, to be sure, but not as many as they make it out to seem).

But I also think it might be pointless (not trying to discourage). People don't want to hear that we get support here that we don't elsewhere. They just want to be angry because they want us to be quiet about our pain.

Thank you. Either way, I appreciate that your thinking about doing this.

 

[wantittoendsoon]

I had the same thought. it would at least start the conversation. That video starts with the assumption that Suicide is bad as if it is a fact. Getting our point of view out there might go a long way toward changing this. I vote yes, do it.

 

[Pluto]

Very hard to present arguments.
Ethical issues with promoting this place.
Would not reach the same audience.
Would probably get removed.

By a tragedy of circumstance, we cannot have a voice at all, yet any fool who wants to defame us will be propelled to fame.

 

[Versailles]

Would probably get removed.

There's a reason for acronyms and euphenisms

 

[Ghostofthepast]

As this title indicates, I want to make a video in defense of our community, and as a response to the Tantacrul video, since I don't care much about being exposed (I only expose my voice in my videos, I never show my face), and my english has improved a lot
Also, I want this video to be taken as a reference when arguing in favor of this site, therefore, I want this thread to be used to collect anything useful
Any argument, experience, anecdote, or thought that serves to make an answer, please send it to me in the form of a private message, it is preferable.
If, on the other hand, most people feel that this is a bad idea, then I will give up on my idea.

If the stigma wasn't there about death and about how suicide and if it was so taboo then we could get the help we need these people they don't care as long as they are not sad or feel like they are heros we as a community will never be safe

 

[Kualk]

Don't think you should bother, it was made by someone who has no attachment to our concerns and problems. This attention will die out up until some other random guy makes another video about the site. Making a video response will only give these people reason to reply and give even more attention to the forum.

 

[GrizzlyGrapefruit]

Perhaps people here should try getting the video age restricted (this way it won't be suggested to users on YouTube anymore through the algorithm).

If it gets a enough reports stating that it talks about self harm (which is does), it might work.

Bringing it back to your initial post though,I do believe a response would be great in theory. But you have to keep in mind that most people who have never been in terrible life circumstances (poverty, very poor health, etc.) don't understand AT ALL why a site like this is a net benefit, and quite frankly, very few want to take time to understand. They want to adhere to the narrative that pushing medication and therapy is a bulletproof way of fixing this because it makes them feel better. It makes them feel like they're helping. They don't care to help look for actual solutions, and they don't like when people challenge their views on this.

 

[Versailles]

most people who have never been in terrible life circumstances (poverty, very poor health, etc.)

That is the point, not everyone has experienced living a life full of misfortunes, and they believe that everything is solved with therapy and medication. People must change their point of view on many things

 

[MidnightDream]

RainAndSadness has already made her response as site admin (which was incredibly eloquent and well put) and I think that's where it should be left. Really, she's the only one that should be responding in my opinion, any other input is either going to go unseen, or will add fuel to the fire.
He doesn't have that many subs and it's a very niche topic, I get a feeling his video will fall into obscurity quite quickly. I don't personally feel there's much need to cause more of a fuss than already has been caused, but that's just my opinion.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

RainAndSadness has already made her response as site admin (which was incredibly eloquent and well put) and I think that's where it should be left. Really, she's the only one that should be responding in my opinion, any other input is either going to go unseen, or will add fuel to the fire.
He doesn't have that many subs and it's a very niche topic, I get a feeling his video will fall into obscurity quite quickly. I don't personally feel there's much need to cause more of a fuss than already has been caused, but that's just my opinion.

Agreed, I don't think it's a good idea to bring more attention to this. Every time there's been a controversy involving this site it's been best to let it die out.

 

[Looking]

Also, please tear down the fucking "connection" between this and the incel forums. This place doesn't skew male as far as I can tell and it definitely doesn't have a lot of incels (a few, to be sure, but not as many as they make it out to seem).

Sorry, just coming in here real quick - I think the "connection" to SS and the Incel forums is the fact the founders owned all of those websites; so the founders owned SS and the incel forums at the same time.

This is actually a problem if the founders still have any kind of connection to the forum - in my opinion - counting the incel movement is inherently violent, misogynistic, lgbtq+ phobic - amongst a huge list of other problems with it.

To my understanding though; the founders have left. But I can't say for sure either way.

 

[Versailles]

so the founders owned SS and the incel forums at the same time.

Apparently that fact is taboo here, many users prefer to ignore this. Currently, the incel forum and this forum have nothing to do with each other, but many believe that this is not the case.

 

[Maudlin]

Go for it! I look forward to watching your video. DM me your youtube channel name, would ya'?

I'm a lazy bastard, and I haven't bothered to look through all your posts to see if you've said what it was, before.

but what I am afraid of, is they'll use your video for even worse purposes.

Fuck em'.

The "they" you're speaking of do more horrible shit before breakfast every day than you could cram into a full week. They only get up to "worse purposes". That's their stock & trade. Haters gotta hate, you know?

Fact is, they're gonna do it anyway. Might as well have a contrary voice out there.

By a tragedy of circumstance, we cannot have a voice at all, yet any fool who wants to defame us will be propelled to fame.

There are more platforms than youtube, you know. Bitchute, Rumble... dozens of others. A "reaction" vid on youtube might not get banned until it makes some traction... and if you include the name of the channel or the title of the vid (or both) you may get viral before anything happens. Look up "MAID canada" in youtube search to help you to figure ways to present it.
Remember this?



Remember the "Blue Whale" suicide thing a few years back?



It was huge... especially in Russia. Interesting that "they" would put a blue whale in that canadian commercial, isn't it?

 

[Dot]

Sorry, just coming in here real quick - I think the "connection" to SS and the Incel forums is the fact the founders owned all of those websites; so the founders owned SS and the incel forums at the same time.

This is actually a problem if the founders still have any kind of connection to the forum - in my opinion - counting the incel movement is inherently violent, misogynistic, lgbtq+ phobic - amongst a huge list of other problems with it.

To my understanding though; the founders have left. But I can't say for sure either way.

Th/ incl ste & SaSu r sepr8 stes - evn if th/ prevs foundrs hd ths ste in commn incl rhetrc & misgny hs nevr bn accptble on SaSu

 

[Looking]

Th/ incl ste & SaSu r sepr8 stes - evn if th/ prevs foundrs hd ths ste in commn incl rhetrc & misgny hs nevr bn accptble on SaSu

I think it has to do moreso of entrusting your information towards people you kind of can't trust. It's not so much a "guideline" issue (for me at least) as it is a "Do I want to give my information to people who would rather see me dead?" kind of concept.

I believe the software that SS uses is XenForo, if I had to take a guess from the Source.


I don't know what kind of permissions Global Moderators have vs the Site Admin, but typically the Site Admin has access to a user's profile through the Control Panel. Typically the Control Panel collects quite a bit of data: Such as, but isn't limited to: E-mail addresses, Internet Protocol (IP) address, general geographical location, browser type and version, operating system information, Date of Birth if opted in by the user, Gender if opted in by the user, Seeing if 2step is enabled, etc. This isn't including Cookies that the site/software may or may not collect. I also know that staff can override a user's Privacy setting - As in being able to view their profiles if they have it disabled, or whatnot. In most cases, a staff member can also silently login to a user's account without notification or password being required. (This is equipment provided from the software, but I don't know what your specific Control Panel looks like)

Do I think SS is using this information for malicious reasons? Absolutely not. As a website owner myself, I know why that data is collected and why those permissions exist. With that being said, I also don't want incels having it - that's my personal desire, but I understand that that's out of my control at this point, counting the data is already harvested.

But it's a privacy thing, not a "moral" or "guideline" issue. Maybe it could be deemed as an ethic issue as well if you want to look at it that way.

Thanks for the awesome response, Rain! I think you addressed all of the points in great detail for the most part - as best as you could at least.

I do have one question, though. Lamarcus Small and Diego J. Galante no longer have any connection to the website anymore, right? Do they still have access to the control panel, or whatnot? I guess I'm asking if there's any involvement with these two individuals and SS. I know they were the original founders, I think.

That's why when I asked if the founders still had any connection, I asked directly if they had any access to the CP. Because that's what I'm personally worried about. As a user.

 

[Dot]

I think it has to do moreso of entrusting your information towards people you kind of can't trust. It's not so much a "guideline" issue (for me at least) as it is a "Do I want to give my information to people who would rather see me dead?" kind of concept.

I believe the software that SS uses is XenForo, if I had to take a guess from the Source.
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I don't know what kind of permissions Global Moderators have vs the Site Admin, but typically the Site Admin has access to a user's profile through the Control Panel. Typically the Control Panel collects quite a bit of data: Such as, but isn't limited to: E-mail addresses, Internet Protocol (IP) address, general geographical location, browser type and version, operating system information, Date of Birth if opted in by the user, Gender if opted in by the user, Seeing if 2step is enabled, etc. This isn't including Cookies that the site/software may or may not collect. I also know that staff can override a user's Privacy setting - As in being able to view their profiles if they have it disabled, or whatnot. In most cases, a staff member can also silently login to a user's account without notification or password being required. (This is equipment provided from the software, but I don't know what your specific Control Panel looks like)

Do I think SS is using this information for malicious reasons? Absolutely not. As a website owner myself, I know why that data is collected and why those permissions exist. With that being said, I also don't want incels having it - that's my personal desire, but I understand that that's out of my control at this point, counting the data is already harvested.

But it's a privacy thing, not a "moral" issue. Maybe it could be deemed as an ethic issue as well if you want to look at it that way.



That's why when I asked if the owners still had any connection, I asked directly if they had any access to the CP. Because that's what I'm personally worried about. As a user.

RaS = th/ admn & nne of th/ formr foundrs r in th/ modratn tm - ur infrmatn wll b sfe

 

[Looking]

RaS = th/ admn & nne of th/ formr foundrs r in th/ modratn tm - ur infrmatn wll b sfe

Then awesome. If that's the case, then the connection being made with incel ideology and SS doesn't make sense. If they don't even have access, then it really doesn't matter who founded SS at that point, counting it doesn't matter or currently effect the site.

But obviously he brought it up as a "hit piece" kind of thing. But I didn't need to tell anyone here that.

 

[hellispink]

They won't care to understand. It could just make things bigger. Pro lifers aka hypocrites don't have the ability to understand some things. It's wasted breath honestly. Wasting one time on them ain't it

 

[CTB Dream]

Think comploca can vid can other idea , but same this other say better not issue this think better gen vid gen material no direct respond, defendia posbl many way thi k proper plan see wat best

 

[hungry_ghost]

Only if you spend a lot of time pre-scripting the response, make it thorough, articulate, and don't say anything that could be used against you.

You have to really frame in your mind your opponent's talking points, anticipate their possible rebuttals, and make your statements in such a way that they can't use anything as a "gotcha".

 

[Wannagonow]

No, I don't think a video should be made. I think as an admin, Rain has the ability to see this issue from many angles. She has previously interacted with him on this site. Her response to him was very direct and had alot of info she was able to validate because of her role here.

I don't think having multiple people getting directly involved is in the best interest of this site. It could easily boost his ego, and likely cause him to continue his attack.

I think your willingness to create such a project is awesome. So often in life people don't wanna get involved in anything. Thanks for at least wanting to get involved. Although I don't think it should be made, if you do create a video, I wish you luck.

 

[UKscotty]

His video does not warrent a response.

Ignore it and move on, his stupid video will have zero impact.

Make sure you don't comment on it or thumbs down, both actually drive the engagement score.

 

[BlueLeaf]

I haven't watched the video but its sounds like Tantacrul selectively read a few threads... EDIT: read a transcript...

Did he even read the recovery section?

You can't judge people only by their posts. Eg people are probably more likely to post here when they have low mood.

I wrote a post in Tantacruls original thread...

I don't think I have posted enough posts to do a private message....

Has anyone else for instance tried to find a safe space re social or intellectual activity but can't really fit in due to not currently being employed or a student with reduced course load or concentration issues re depression would mean judgement re abilities...

If Tantacrul wants to actually be helpful... Why doesn't he understand that there aren't safe spaces to do some hobbies without judgement...

And isolation can lead to a worsening of depression...

Worsening of depression is more likely to lead people here.

Oh by the way an ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) article made me find this site so sounds like Tantacrul did make more people aware of it

 

[rifle]

I don't think a response video is a good idea, better to just make your own video unrelated to that clown.