I think this could be HUGE!

[fightingsioux]

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[aramir]

there's no way authorities will let a contraption like that get anywhere.

 

[fightingsioux]

there's no way authorities will let a contraption like that get anywhere.

Actually, I think it will be completely legal.

Also, I think the headline date is a typo, they meant January 15, 2020.

 

[Jean4]

Too good to be true. What is the catch?

 

[freefrommybody]

Does anyone know how this device works?

 

[aramir]

Actually, I think it will be completely legal.

HOW ? if certain pills/medication have been banned due to being linked to suicide. what do you think will happen to something as obvious and in your face as this.

 

[fightingsioux]

Too good to be true. What is the catch?

No catch that I can see at this point. We'll see.

Does anyone know how this device works?

I'm not a scientist, but basically the user puts on the half-mask and breathes normally. There are no sensations of air hunger because exhaled carbon dioxide is captured in the scrubber and converted into a solid. Eventually nitrogen is the principal gas breathed and this results in total disruption of the body's oxygen cycle. The cause of death is asphyxia from oxygen deprivation.

It's a variation of an old scuba device called a rebreather.

 

[xBrialesana]

Interesting to follow this

 

[Egddios]

there's no way authorities will let a contraption like that get anywhere.

It looks to be made up of common and legal parts (duct tape, tubing, etc). Buy each piece separately to avoid suspicion. No, this "de breather" fully assembled wouldn't be available to buy outright or "legally".

I'm curious as anyone in this thread as to how it actually works and if assembly is complex.

 

[fightingsioux]

It looks to be made up of common and legal parts (duct tape, tubing, etc). Buy each piece separately to avoid suspicion. No, this "de breather" fully assembled wouldn't be available to buy outright or "legally".

I'm curious as anyone in this thread as to how it actually works and if assembly is complex.

See my explanation a few posts above.

Again, Exit International would not have spent a tremendous amount of time, energy and money if they thought this would not be legal. Just IMHO, we'll see.

An earlier version of this device was developed by Dr. Philip Nitschke and associates almost 20 years ago, I believe. Was successfully used in some suicides.

 

[TAW122]

Hmm, this is an interesting method, I may consider this if for some reason firearms, hanging (partial), or night-night seems inaccessible to me. I don't believe that I would not have access to the firearms method, but having a backup method for unexpected events or such is really important and would bring me a peace of mind like I had when I first had the firearms method (back in 2018).

 

[Shinbu]

Yeah I'm interested. I hope this turns out great

 

[mediocre]

I don't understand how this works? does the debreather deprive you of oxygen? if so how?

 

[cosmicpixiedust]

I'm very excited to see more about this in the near future!

 

[Lisa]

No catch that I can see at this point. We'll see.

I'm not a scientist, but basically the user puts on the half-mask and breathes normally. There are no sensations of air hunger because exhaled carbon dioxide is captured in the scrubber and converted into a solid. Eventually nitrogen is the principal gas breathed and this results in total disruption of the body's oxygen cycle. The cause of death is asphyxia from oxygen deprivation.

It's a variation of an old scuba device called a rebreather.

Does it attach to a nitrogen tank?

will it be for sale or will we need to buy parts and self assemble?

 

[ThatIsTheQuestion]

Exit has a long history of saying this or that can't be regulated, right up until the day it is. Anything can be regulated. If the US can stop lawn darts from entering the country, they can easily keep this thing off the shelves. But it's a totally different story if you can build it yourself. Nobody's going to shut down Home Depot to save a few suicides.

 

[pane]

Go to the following website. I've altered the URL since direct linking to sources is not allowed. Incidentally, another member PM'ed me to say he tried to order the Debreather from this website but the transaction couldn't be completed. I don't know if this means the site isn't fully active yet or if there's a more serious issue going on.

right,,,,,,,,,,2.......die*********org

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Exit has a long history of saying this or that can't be regulated, right up until the day it is. Anything can be regulated. If the US can stop lawn darts from entering the country, they can easily keep this thing off the shelves. But it's a totally different story if you can build it yourself. Nobody's going to shut down Home Depot to save a few suicides.

I would buy it from exit if it becomes available . But iIf they ban the debreather then maybe one of us could figure out where to get each part of this device . It just seems to be made up of a mask, co2 scrubber, a plastic bag ,and connecting tubes. I might try to reconstruct it. This is a co2 scrubber which can also be reconstructed:

Universal CO2 Scrubber

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) can directly affect the pH of your aquarium, and with a low pH, corals may not grow as fast. Connecting a CO2 scrubber directly to the venturi on your skimmer along with CO2 absorption media you can control the amount of CO2 that is being sucked into your skimmer...

www.googleadservices.com

Also even if they ban it maybe we'll be able to get it on the dark web.

 

[JustLosingMyself]

I don't understand how this works? does the debreather deprive you of oxygen? if so how?

You breathe in a closed loop.
Your exhaled breath is scrubbed of CO2
Each breath reduces the oxygen available without causing hycapnia.

 

[fightingsioux]

Does it attach to a nitrogen tank?

will it be for sale or will we need to buy parts and self assemble?

No,it doesn't attach to anything.

To repeat my earlier post:

I'm not a scientist, but basically the user puts on the half-mask and breathes normally. There are no sensations of air hunger because exhaled carbon dioxide is captured in the scrubber and converted into a solid. Eventually nitrogen is the principal gas breathed and this results in total disruption of the body's oxygen cycle. The cause of death is asphyxia from oxygen deprivation.

It's a variation of an old scuba device called a rebreather.

You breathe in a closed loop.
Your exhaled breath is scrubbed of CO2
Each breath reduces the oxygen available without causing hycapnia.

Correct, good simple summary.

The word is hypoxia--an oxygen-depleted atmosphere.

I would add one sentence at the end of your paragraph:
You wind up breathing mostly nitrogen, you die peacefully.

 

[Soul]

I wonder how it'll work for people who are co2-retentive as a bonus to our lung disease. The inert-gas methods aren't suitable for us; my understanding is that they'd work eventually but wouldn't be peaceful. With this device, if I don't exhale much co2 to be "scrubbed", what's likely to happen?

 

[fightingsioux]

Yeah it would be great if one of us could figure out where to get each part of this device . It just seems to be made up of a mask, co2 scrubber, a plastic bag ,and connecting tubes. I might try to reconstruct it. This is a co2 scrubber which can also be reconstructed:

Universal CO2 Scrubber

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) can directly affect the pH of your aquarium, and with a low pH, corals may not grow as fast. Connecting a CO2 scrubber directly to the venturi on your skimmer along with CO2 absorption media you can control the amount of CO2 that is being sucked into your skimmer...

www.googleadservices.com

Also even if they ban it maybe we'll be able to get it on the dark web.

Dr. Nitschke and associates--in other organizations, now Exit International--has been working to perfect this device for almost 20 years. Personally, I don't think you'd have much luck trying to build it yourself, but give it a try!

I wonder how it'll work for people who are co2-retentive as a bonus to our lung disease. The inert-gas methods aren't suitable for us; my understanding is that they'd work eventually but wouldn't be peaceful. With this device, if I don't exhale much co2 to be "scrubbed", what's likely to happen?

Great question!

As you say, even the exit bag & inert gas method is often problematical.

You would have to talk to someone at Exit International -- https://exitinternational.net/

 

[angie]

there's no way authorities will let a contraption like that get anywhere.

think this is a scam to get people to subscribe , doesn't look like official final exit websites i'm used to seeing .

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Dr. Nitschke and associates--in other organizations, now Exit International--has been working to perfect this device for almost 20 years. Personally, I don't think you'd have much luck trying to build it yourself, but give it a try!

Great question!

As you say, even the exit bag & inert gas method is often problematical.

You would have to talk to someone at Exit International -- https://exitinternational.net/

I would like to buy it if it becomes available from eixt . I just meant if they ban it or if the debreather is somehow not available then maybe we couLd try to construct it. I edited my post to reflect more of what i meant to say.

 

[Lisa]

No,it doesn't attach to anything.

To repeat my earlier post:

I'm not a scientist, but basically the user puts on the half-mask and breathes normally. There are no sensations of air hunger because exhaled carbon dioxide is captured in the scrubber and converted into a solid. Eventually nitrogen is the principal gas breathed and this results in total disruption of the body's oxygen cycle. The cause of death is asphyxia from oxygen deprivation.

It's a variation of an old scuba device called a rebreather.

Correct, good simple summary.

The word is hypoxia--an oxygen-depleted atmosphere.

I would add one sentence at the end of your paragraph:
You wind up breathing mostly nitrogen, you die peacefully.

Thank You so much. Now I understand. And if it were uncomfortable I suppose you could stop if you felt out of breath. Seems like a nice option.
Do you think the device will be sold pre-assembled or must we assemble and purchase all pieces separately?

 

[LivingToLong]

I shall be following this with great interest.

 

[angie]

Thank You so much. Now I understand. And if it were uncomfortable I suppose you could stop if you felt out of breath. Seems like a nice option.
Do you think the device will be sold pre-assembled or must we assemble and purchase all pieces separately?

would you need to buy nitrogen then too ?

 

[Ἡγησίας]

would you need to buy nitrogen then too ?

"When we breathe normal "air," 80% consists of nitrogen and approximately 20% consists of oxygen. If the percentage of nitrogen were to increase for any reason, our brains would receive less oxygen and we would reach a point where the effects of this deficit, known as hypoxia, would become apparent. We would become light-headed, for example, and we would eventually lose consciousness if the oxygen concentration were to drop below 12%.

If the percentage of oxygen were to continue to fall below 7%, we would not be receiving enough oxygen to maintain the cellular functions of the brain and we would die. And in the absence of carbon dioxide, our bodies would not send us an obvious signal of danger – we would not feel short of breath, for example. We would not feel panic or any concern at all. In fact, hypoxia is often accompanied by a feeling of euphoria. It is a condition well-known to pilots who are warned against its silent dangers."

 

[fightingsioux]

Anyone who's used this site for more than a week or two comes to realize that many--if not most--posters are not willing to spend the time reading a thread from the beginning.

For most of the threads here, personal stories and problems, it's no big deal you can jump in any time.

For the occasional informational thread--the mega-threads for each method--this can cause problems. The same question is asked over and over because the person didn't read the answer in an earlier post. Stan realized this with the ridiculously bloated original SN mega-thread, so he wrote a condensed version.

The following is from a technical paper written years ago on an earlier version of the Debreather. (I'll also include a link to the entire paper for those really interested.) To understand how it works you need just a basic understanding of human respiration:

"Air is composed of about 79%nitrogen and 21%oxygen.During the human breathing cycle, air inflates the lungs and
oxygen is passed to the heart and then circulated throughout the body. A waste byproduct of cellular respiration is carbon dioxide, which the heart pumps to the lungs for exhalation. An exhaled breath is approximately 79%nitrogen, 17%oxygen, and 4%carbon dioxide.The need to eliminate carbon dioxide is what triggers the impulse to breath."

Combining Xali1970 and my summary, with the Debreather:

The user puts on the half-mask and breathes normally. He breathes in a closed loop. Your exhaled breath is scrubbed of CO2. Each breath you take contains less oxygen and more nitrogen, a disruption of the body's oxygen cycle. Eventually you lose consciousness and die from oxygen deprivation.

Here's a link to a very old paper describing the oxygen cycle, the principle of a scuba rebreather, the principle of the debreather, and the results from early field testing (actual observed--and somewhat assisted--suicides.)

(PDF) Ogden, R. D (2010). The debreather: A report on euthanasia and suicide assistance using adapted scuba technology. Death Studies, 34, 291-317

PDF | In response to the general prohibition of euthanasia and assisted suicide, some right-to-die activists have developed non-medical methods to... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

would you need to buy nitrogen then too ?

No, it is a closed system. Read the explanation I just posted.

"When we breathe normal "air," 80% consists of nitrogen and approximately 20% consists of oxygen. If the percentage of nitrogen were to increase for any reason, our brains would receive less oxygen and we would reach a point where the effects of this deficit, known as hypoxia, would become apparent. We would become light-headed, for example, and we would eventually lose consciousness if the oxygen concentration were to drop below 12%.

If the percentage of oxygen were to continue to fall below 7%, we would not be receiving enough oxygen to maintain the cellular functions of the brain and we would die. And in the absence of carbon dioxide, our bodies would not send us an obvious signal of danger – we would not feel short of breath, for example. We would not feel panic or any concern at all. In fact, hypoxia is often accompanied by a feeling of euphoria. It is a condition well-known to pilots who are warned against its silent dangers."

You've got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank You so much. Now I understand. And if it were uncomfortable I suppose you could stop if you felt out of breath. Seems like a nice option.
Do you think the device will be sold pre-assembled or must we assemble and purchase all pieces separately?

Eventually it will be available from Exit pre-assembled, that's the idea, make things easier for people in need.

think this is a scam to get people to subscribe , doesn't look like official final exit websites i'm used to seeing .

No, incorrect.

I want to add that I'm leaving this site as of today, switching over to the Exit International forum. I'll monitor and answer PM's for today. Best of luck to those here, please read and contemplate my signature quote from the great poet Rilke. For all you younger posters especially--yes, you're right, life is unfair--and amazing and difficult and easy and terrible and wonderful and the whole mystifying frustrating challenging mess is here to be experienced.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Anyone who's used this site for more than a week or two comes to realize that many--if not most--posters are not willing to spend the time reading a thread from the beginning.

For most of the threads here, personal stories and problems, it's no big deal you can jump in any time.

For the occasional informational thread--the mega-threads for each method--this can cause problems. The same question is asked over and over because the person didn't read the answer in an earlier post. Stan realized this with the ridiculously bloated original SN mega-thread, so he wrote a condensed version.

The following is from a technical paper written years ago on an earlier version of the Debreather. (I'll also include a link to the entire paper for those really interested.) To understand how it works you need just a basic understanding of human respiration:

"Air is composed of about 79%nitrogen and 21%oxygen.During the human breathing cycle, air inflates the lungs and
oxygen is passed to the heart and then circulated throughout the body. A waste byproduct of cellular respiration is carbon dioxide, which the heart pumps to the lungs for exhalation. An exhaled breath is approximately 79%nitrogen, 17%oxygen, and 4%carbon dioxide.The need to eliminate carbon dioxide is what triggers the impulse to breath."

Combining Xali1970 and my summary, with the Debreather:

The user puts on the half-mask and breathes normally. He breathes in a closed loop. Your exhaled breath is scrubbed of CO2. Each breath you take contains less oxygen and more nitrogen, a disruption of the body's oxygen cycle. Eventually you lose consciousness and die from oxygen deprivation.

Here's a link to a very old paper describing the oxygen cycle, the principle of a scuba rebreather, the principle of the debreather, and the results from early field testing (actual observed--and somewhat assisted--suicides.)

(PDF) Ogden, R. D (2010). The debreather: A report on euthanasia and suicide assistance using adapted scuba technology. Death Studies, 34, 291-317

PDF | In response to the general prohibition of euthanasia and assisted suicide, some right-to-die activists have developed non-medical methods to... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

No, it is a closed system. Read the explanation I just posted.

You've got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eventually it will be available from Exit pre-assembled, that's the idea, make things easier for people in need.

No, incorrect.

I want to add that I'm leaving this site as of today, switching over to the Exit International forum. I'll monitor and answer PM's for today. Best of luck to those here, please read and contemplate my signature quote from the great poet Rilke. For all you younger posters especially--yes, you're right, life is unfair--and amazing and difficult and easy and terrible and wonderful and the whole mystifying frustrating challenging mess is here to be experienced.

@fightingsioux
I'm sorry you are leaving this site. I really enjoyed your posts and you helped me a lot. Thanks for your help and informative posts. i guess you can tell a lot of us did enjoy your posts from your many likes you recieved. I'll miss your posts.

I didn't know exit had a forum . I'll try to join but i won't leave this site. I'm learning too much here.