I think the main reason why its illegal to commit suicide is because capitalist's loose people to exploit

[Pcgamer1]

In the USA if your doctor or therapist thinks your at risk of killing yourself they will call the cops on you or 51/50 you. Most mental health hospitals just make things worse and leave you with a huge healthcare bill. Its for the most part illegal to commit suicide in America and I think the main reason why is because billionaires don't want to lose people to exploit or consume their products. I can't tell my therapist for instance if I run out of money my solution is to just shoot myself, then I will get 51/50ed. The reason why it is this way is because the billionaires don't want to lose people to exploit and in society they say you should never kill yourself no matter how bad life gets. I know exactly what will happen, there will be no jobs left at all from the big ugly bill destroying social services, to AI/outsourcing and consumers no longer being able to afford to buy stuff or people not being able to afford to start a new business. If I shoot myself then it will hurt my family and friends, but its better than ending up homeless or losing everything.

Modern labor unions aren't capable of fighting for a better future, 100 years ago they were way more radical and would work together to fight for better worker rights. Nowadays labor unions mostly just provide legal counseling, try and avoid strikes and sometimes fight for anti worker stuff like AI data centers if they think it will benefit their members regardless of how harmful AI data centers are. Back during the Vietnam War the AFL-CIO supported the war because they thought it benefited their members and didn't care about how horrible the war was for everyone else. Many labor unions have forgotten who they're fighting for, that isn't to say all labor unions are like this, they are plenty of good ones out there. However they are way too many labor unions putting profits over the larger fight for all workers.

 

[DeadManLiving]

Excuse typos will fix later and tldr for now just splattering my thoughts on this :

Back in ancient times yes, suicide was criminalized because it resulted in a substantial loss of human capital in both labor and intellectual/creative capital. Very similar to how African American slaves were traded back in the day and restrained from killing themselves. Given a certain age (and set of features or deficiencies) slaves were reduced to commodity products that were offered, bought, sold, traded and transacted like baseball cards or livestock.

Accounting records reflected their valuations calculated using actuarial models to estimate and price in lifetime risk, intrinsic and potential future utility by value of production and whatever other use and entertainment like human zoos adjusted to arrive at fair market value, price and forced into the brutal slave trade commerce.

Population scarcity dominated. Human beings were strategic assets because agricultural productivity, military manpower, and skilled labor pools were constrained by high mortality and low technological leverage. Suicide represented depletion of scarce biological capital.

Suicide prohibitions fused theological doctrine with feudal continuity. The Church framed life as divinely held property, while states required stable peasant populations for agricultural surplus extraction and military levies.

Industrialization increased the marginal utility of literate labor populations. Mass education, urbanization, and wage labor transformed populations into increasingly measurable economic inputs. Early actuarial science, life insurance, labor statistics, and productivity accounting emerged in parallel.

Automation and computational leverage altered the labor-to-output ratio. Economic systems became less dependent on raw labor quantity and more dependent on specialized cognitive capital, technological infrastructure, consumption stability, and demographic maintenance.

Subtly but to similar effect after abolition, the same evolved in the Middle ages and 20th Century to peasants and common folk where people were scarce, birth rates and life expectancy work dangerously low, and mortality high ... so even as a free person, if enough people took their lives, industrial output would stagnate and power a true existential threat to continuity of commerce, community and civilization and for those reasons suicide was criminalized under the auspices of religion and the Church.

Modern societies already possess implicit actuarial valuations of citizens through healthcare economics, insurance systems, productivity forecasting, pension obligations, and sovereign demographic planning. Suicide prevention therefore functions not only as a moral imperative but also as mitigation against systemic economic losses, social instability, and contagion effects.

Nowadays, States and economic systems internalize substantial losses when working-age individuals prematurely exit the population because educational investment, labor productivity, tax contributions, and intergenerational reproduction are all truncated before amortization across the expected life-cycle horizon.

But history rhymes and repeats in often radically surprising and unexpected ways, especially how A(G)I would deal with civilization, and whether human beings are officially depreciated as an endangered species on the brink of extinction. In another case, a form of technofeudalism transmuted with digital shackles as slaves to a new master but along the same course of history in repayment of humanity's debts outstanding made by blood, suffering and savagery perpetuated since the invention of evil and greed for commerce, consumption and in some cases captive amusement.

 

[byec560]

So you think if we lived in a communist utopia we would be totally kosher with people just killing themselves? Be so fr with me.

 

[lpdsvm]

This is why I want to CTB. I can't fix my issues without money. If I don't CTB soon I will have serious issues.

 

[DeadManLiving]

This is why I want to CTB. I can't fix my issues without money. If I don't CTB soon I will have serious issues.

Yeah. Without resources it's over. Totally preventable but conventional medicine and behavioral health are just profiteering asylums where they put you in a room and milk Medicaid money while pretending to provide treatment. Advanced treatments exist that are outside of the public vernocular. But that's a whole another subject. Tragic overall.

So you think if we lived in a communist utopia we would be totally kosher with people just killing themselves? Be so fr with me.

I don't subscribe to any specific economic doctrine, regime or form of governance/social order, I just study them. Currently in the calm before a ravaging economic storm as public market and exchange price discovery and valuations are like floating Castles in the Sky divorced from the actual reality under the hood OTC and dark pool transactions enabling the corruption that is engulfing incentive structures that make it pointless to continue.

But to address your point on the religious note, no it would not be Kosher for people to kill themselves. I just don't understand why critical resources are withheld or diverted from those that need them the most, as their options and ability to make material contributions depreciates needlessly with dwindling options, ultimately leaving them with none but one. A tragic one.

 

[ak@]

I'd say it's more because it's going against the unwritten social contract. Humans are social beings and it undermines their level of general trust when someone decides to step out of the relation.

 

[xXSufferingXx]

i only read the title, sorry, but i a million agree with the title, that the onyl reason suicide is illegal because it's bad for the government when they lose money,
that's all they care about.
i recently found out that at 65 in certain states they CUT YOUR HEALTH BENEFITS IN HALF.
why?
because they start seeing people like a burden who's over 65 because they know they can't work anymore.
quite an eye opener.

... not that i didn't already know, but... wow

 

[Strangerdanger7]

Okay, I love these. I'm going to give you my theory. Everyone is making money by keeping suicide illegal, from the top down. The courts make money by charging you fees. The cops make money from all the overtime, transporting you, and housing you if there's nowhere else to put you. Let's be honest, arrest
Ensure their job security.
The cops, the judges, and the DA are all in each other's back pockets, too.
Corruption everywhere you look.

The drug companies have free test subjects to try out their drugs on.
They have to get them committed.

The doctors got free experimental subjects. How many people in a mental institution can say no? They have no rights.
They could be forced to take medication that makes them feel like crap, and there's nothing they can do about it. They're basically test subjects for medication use.

As long as they make money, this is not going to stop, so we will not see progress in this country where everybody has freedom over their own medical choices.
It's sad, but it's the way it is.

 

[oilsaniok]

i feel like its the religious bs

 

[jisatsu88]

This is why I want to CTB. I can't fix my issues without money. If I don't CTB soon I will have serious issues.

I hate that the world runs on money. I want 10 million right now

 

[flyingangel]

So you think if we lived in a communist utopia we would be totally kosher with people just killing themselves? Be so fr with me.

Weirdly enough I can imagine it being widely accepted and implemented like the MAID program in Canada

 

[lpdsvm]

I hate that the world runs on money. I want 10 million right now

I'm at a point where I'm just waiting to finally fail everywhere and CTB. I can't keep solving issues one by one that long. It's funny.
I don't care about whether I'll get it or not. Same reaction I guess.

 

[Alan James]

An extremely small percentage of the world's population commits suicide. Even if painless euthanasia were legal for everyone (including the completely healthy) in every country, only a tiny fraction would sign up for it. A very small percentage of the world's population actually wants to kill themselves. The economic losses from the deaths of slaves by suicide are negligible. Furthermore, many people who wish to commit suicide are unemployed and often receive disability benefits or pensions - meaning they actually generate losses rather than income.

Personally, I've come to the conclusion that the true reason for the ban on suicide is:

1) Instincts and fear. They seem to have a built-in ban on suicide, even if it's not present in everyone, of course, but in most people. I've long since realized that most people are biorobots.

2) Brainwashing by society, religions, and the state into thinking suicide is bad and life is the highest gift.

3) It seems that the main resource is not money, but people. As if someone wants people to live and suffer, rather than have a free way out of this hell.

 

[Sphinxi]

I would say it comes more from our disposition towards humans living, that seems more fundamental than systems of capital. Besides, many capitalist countries are becoming increasingly liberal with assisted dying, for better or for worse. It seems to be a more base part of the human psyche. The vast majority of people are disgusted by suicide and would take pains to prevent a loved one from dying, and view the death of a stranger to suicide as a tragedy. Social stigma and legal prohibition on suicide likely comes from that rather than a top down desire to preserve humans as resources.

 

[charlieee]

So you think if we lived in a communist utopia we would be totally kosher with people just killing themselves? Be so fr with me.

I don't think that's what that person wanted to say.
The reason why ctb is perceived the way it is these days is because of multiple factors.
First like the person said, people now are needed because they are workforce, we are used to make money and produce more and more. Overall they don't give a f about us they just want us to make money.

Then you have the religious factor, life is a gift you cannot waste it type of rhetoric.

And, you have the loss.
I am referring specifically to how close friends, family feel when loosing a close relative or friend. The way they feel is heavily influenced by the two other factors that I listed above, but there is a sadness that is simply human, regardless of what society you live in. Loss is always heavy, so people will never be okay and careless about it.


I think you can understand that there is a difference between a society making ctb illegal, taboo and just creat an horrible narrative around people who do it using people belief, the rhetoric of the selfish person who doesn't want to work and participate to the system; and people being sad about the fact that a closed one ctb.

In a non capitalist society (not necessarily a communist one btw) ctb will not be perceived as the worst thing someone can do, and the people that did it or did try to do it will not be punished or shamed as much as we are now.
Simply because people will be perceived as people, mental health will be taken seriously which will drastically decrease the number of people who ctb. I will not elaborate on the fact that people would also have access to basic resources such as food, water and shelter which would also decrease the risk of people ctb.

(Sorry for any mistakes English is not my first language).

 

[DeadManLiving]

Okay, I love these. I'm going to give you my theory. Everyone is making money by keeping suicide illegal, from the top down. The courts make money by charging you fees. The cops make money from all the overtime, transporting you, and housing you if there's nowhere else to put you. Let's be honest, arrest
Ensure their job security.
The cops, the judges, and the DA are all in each other's back pockets, too.
Corruption everywhere you look.

The drug companies have free test subjects to try out their drugs on.
They have to get them committed.

The doctors got free experimental subjects. How many people in a mental institution can say no? They have no rights.
They could be forced to take medication that makes them feel like crap, and there's nothing they can do about it. They're basically test subjects for medication use.

As long as they make money, this is not going to stop, so we will not see progress in this country where everybody has freedom over their own medical choices.
It's sad, but it's the way it is.

Yes. They want and need people to commit crimes because it runs the system. If there was no crime, then what would the police be doing? Would the taxpayers allow them to just sit around all day and drive around looking pretty in fancy SUVs ?

What about courts, if there was zero crime, then what would a typical day in criminal Court look like?

 

[here_for_now]

Yes. They want and need people to commit crimes because it runs the system. If there was no crime, then what would the police be doing? Would the taxpayers allow them to just sit around all day and drive around looking pretty in fancy SUVs ?

What about courts, if there was zero crime, then what would a typical day in criminal Court look like?

Bingo when you are incarcerated you lose your illusion of freedom and they drop the mask and you forced to essentially do slave labor, this was never about rehabilitation they want you to go to jail and be a slave of the state so you can work for 10 cents an hour

Probation is basically looking for any reason to put you back again and it's all about the money.

That's why governments try to brainwash the youth with junk and fairytales for example "if you sell drugs like this one rapper and be a gangster in the streets who is 'real' you can rap about it and get a million dollar record deal too!"

But sadly people don't realize that this is an anomaly there are probably MILLIONS of people who tried the same life path that are sitting behind bars for life because they didn't get lucky or they got shit cards to deal with

And if your on this website, your life probably sucks

no hate my life fucking sucks too

 

[name2come]

I think some times, two things can be true.

The example I always think about it is how retail stores train their employees to not interfere with robberies. The cynic will insist this is entirely out of a crass desire to avoid financial liability if an employee gets injured. And given the state of "business" types, I've no doubt that at big corporations, there are executives who do look at it this way. Maybe the more charitable among them see it as protecting their investment in training their employees that they don't want to waste if that person gets killed.

At the same time, I don't think this is how the store manager training their employees thinks about it. I think they have the deeply human response of not wanting anyone to risk their life trying to protect a blender. And I think most people feel closer to that. The idea of someone dying to protect stuff—not even their own stuff, but their employer's stuff—is repulsive. Most people are horrified at this scenario. Most people have the basic empathy needed to not want to see their colleagues needlessly endangered.

I think attitudes about suicide aren't that different. I'm sure there are some craven, morally bankrupt people who see it as protecting an exploitable resource, but I think most people just don't want to see people die. Its not more complicated than that. Indeed, if you want a more common "evil" attitude, I think a lot of people oppose suicide out of active cruelty. They want certain people to suffer. They probably don't even care about them taking their life, but they get a thrill out of the anguish and desperation leading up to it. But even that isn't most people. I think the real problem is that people who don't experience suicidal ideation are unable of empathizing with people who do. They see suicide as failure, either social or personal, and just don't have any more nuance to it.

 

[notreallybored]

But to address your point on the religious note, no it would not be Kosher for people to kill themselves. I just don't understand why critical resources are withheld or diverted from those that need them the most, as their options and ability to make material contributions depreciates needlessly with dwindling options, ultimately leaving them with none but one. A tragic one.

ב''ה, that material would be valuable organs for transplant (or, charitably, research purposes in those too ill to contribute to the longevity of the more equal members of society) so, with anesthesia and collecting them all at once, materialist economies under either economic model could benefit.

 

[Pluto]

 

[Strangerdanger7]

i feel like its the religious bs

That's part of it too everyone's got to stick their nose where it just does not belong. It affects them in zero ways.