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I still love this place and (most) of you all, but....
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I deeply and humbly apologize if I offended you. I also won't try and justify my words and reactions as that could be seen as patronizing. You do seem like a serious and thoughtful person though so I definitely will give you the benefit of the doubt. Welcome and again, apologies that you had to step into a mess. Not fair that I helped contribute to that.
No, it has not. It was basically an illusory attempt at fooling myself into thinking I could ignore my problems and move on. It seemed to work for a very brief period, but they came raging back twice as strong. But thank you for your kind words. It is greatly appreciated.
Honestly, I should apologize. I didn't realize there were actually people here justifying their suicidal thoughts while simultaneously putting others down. I can't attest to how this site used to be, but there are some of us newbies who are disappointed that method talk can't be allowed.
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Honestly, I should apologize. I didn't realize there were actually people here justifying their suicidal thoughts while simultaneously putting others down. I can't attest to how this site used to be, but there are some of us newbies who are disappointed that method talk can't be allowed.
I don't think a thumbs up sufficiently expresses my agreement with this statement enough that method discussion is essential to prevent unnecessary harm due to suicide failure.
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I disagree that there is no conversation going on between opposing views, aka a "us vs them" situation. SS is part of the right to die/death with dignity/assisted death conversation, which is very much so a bigger discussion. There's a reason we're here and not on reddit anymore.
Platitudes and any anti choice sentiment should be resisted, as it always was.
I agree with this. That is the "us" and the "them". This needs to be a post-platitudes area. You know why? Because every other fucking place in existence promotes the same shit that doesn't work. They have the rest of the internet. Let us have this.
If anyone says something like CTB should be the last choice, or promotes something like the suicide hotline, they're missing the point entirely and are getting high on their own ignorance. I don't care how much they post about how much they've personally suffered as well, doesn't matter. You either get it or you don't. This isn't the place for that.
I don't think a thumbs up sufficiently expresses my agreement with this statement enough that method discussion is essential to prevent unnecessary harm due to suicide failure.
Seriously. Not to sound stupid, but I didn't even know that failure was that common. I keep seeing people on here say that they attempted suicide multiple times, like what??? Now I am afraid because apparently hanging yourself is not that easy to do. It's crazy to think about because people kill themselves every day.
Seriously. Not to sound stupid, but I didn't even know that failure was that common. I keep seeing people on here say that they attempted suicide multiple times, like what??? Now I am afraid because apparently hanging yourself is not that easy to do. It's crazy to think about because people kill themselves every day.
The technicalities are probably not that difficult to overcome but if you don't know about the pitfalls, you won't know what to pay attention to either.
And then you still need to battle your own anxiety.
I've been a long-time lurker and had a previous account back in 2019/20, and decided to rejoin after hearing Marquis and Serge got doxxed, which pissed me off tremendously.
This forum is so full of passion and angst that there have always been different personalities, cliques, whatever clashing with each other. I recall reading similar accusations of hidden agents and malevolent users back in 2019, at times being thrown against each other. One of the reasons Marquis was such a good admin was that he was quite capable of steering the forum away from such drama.
Another point: I assume most of us know that this forum is generally not a safe space for passing personal information. There are, in fact, swindlers looking to rip people off, perverts contacting women, plenty of fakers, etc.... Caution is advised.
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That was the point I was trying to make. A poorly made one, I might add. I was saying that staying alive is just as "pro-life" as people coming here for recovery or here only because of health issues, whereas, they would otherwise stay alive.
I am always too dumb to recognize those changements. Maybe one reason is I am more in my own bubble and talk about my shit without reading too many other threads. If I dislike a comment I often don't read it fully.
I miss some old members for example my good old friend @WornOutLife. But I am glad he recovered. I try not to have a too strong bond to others on this website. I am scared that a possbile loss could traumatize me further.
Then you didn't read my whole response. I was referring to the comment that newbies are "pro-life," or the idea that someone joins with a health reason is somehow less than someone who doesn't have a health issue and is suicidal. If someone who hasn't committed suicide and has been here since 2018 can be considered pro-choice on suicide even though they have chosen to live their life, then how is that different from someone who has decided to take their life solely because they have a health issue? Or, someone who has been a member since 2018 be better fit for this site than a new person who is looking for methods. I realize now that apparently there are people who come on here and degrade others for their choice in ending their lives, and for that I was wrong in my comment and I apologize.
The way people keep dividing others by labels like Pro Life vs Pro Choice does an injustice to the complexity of the matter that has a whole lot more gray areas to it than either black or White.
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Then you didn't read my whole response. I was referring to the comment that newbies are "pro-life," or the idea that someone joins with a health reason is somehow less than someone who doesn't have a health issue and is suicidal. If someone who hasn't committed suicide and has been here since 2018 can be considered pro-choice on suicide even though they have chosen to live their life, then how is that different from someone who has decided to take their life solely because they have a health issue? Or, someone who has been a member since 2018 be better fit for this site than a new person who is looking for methods. I realize now that apparently there are people who come on here and degrade others for their choice in ending their lives, and for that I was wrong in my comment and I apologize.
Seriously. Not to sound stupid, but I didn't even know that failure was that common. I keep seeing people on here say that they attempted suicide multiple times, like what??? Now I am afraid because apparently hanging yourself is not that easy to do. It's crazy to think about because people kill themselves every day.
There's a lot of factors yeah. Those people that you hear of killing themselves, they might have made attempts before finally succeeding. This forum has been both a blessing and a curse in the sense that it has been very useful, but has also planted doubts in my head because of all those failed attempt stories. (like using a train, apparently even that has survivors)
I honestly just wanted to vent. But reading all these replies from both veterans and newcomers alike has made me step back and reevaluate my initial post. Maybe I am being overly paranoid and I shouldn't let a few bad apples spoil what is actually a place of solace....I dunno, but I certainly did not expect this level or breadth of response from ya all. Thank you for giving me something to think about.
There's a lot of factors yeah. Those people that you hear of killing themselves, they might have made attempts before finally succeeding. This forum has been both a blessing and a curse in the sense that it has been very useful, but has also planted doubts in my head because of all those failed attempt stories. (like using a train, apparently even that has survivors)
I disagree that there is no conversation going on between opposing views, aka a "us vs them" situation. SS is part of the right to die/death with dignity/assisted death conversation, which is very much so a bigger discussion. There's a reason we're here and not on reddit anymore. This is about more than 1 individual looking for methods and that's it, we're representatives whether you want to be or not. You post your perspective for anyone to read, and many people feel you don't have to right to take your life, you have no right to discuss it, and you should be hospitalized against your will. They want this site censored or banned. Others believe you not only have the right to die, but you have the right to access a comfortable and guarenteed death. The existence of this site stirs that conversation.
I've seen no infiltrators on this site. After browsing recently I don't see any pro life comments. What I do see is people tiptoeing around frank subjects. It should be a place of honest, frank evaluation and expression while we explore our choice here. The mods did the right thing with how it's set up now, but we need to stand firmly that our perspective is valid in the larger scheme. Platitudes and any anti choice sentiment should be resisted, as it always was.
This. My stance regarding suicide is clear—it's a personal choice and should be discriminalized. Fighting to change the world so that people actually find life worth living is cool, but frankly almost all suicidal people don't have the energy or motivation to do so.
Eat or get eaten. It's the law of nature and it's not gonna change anytime soon in our socio-economic scheme.
Even if we live in a perfect world, many people would still want to suicide because of philosophical reasons.
If living is a basic human right, then death is and should be too.
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Fighting to change the world so that people actually find life worth living is cool, but frankly almost all suicidal people don't have the energy or motivation to do so.
That said, the atmosphere of this place has changed immensely. Some very evil minds have infiltrated this place and are slowly poisoning this once cozy forum with vicious and destructive ideals that frankly do nothing to help make the world better but instead contribute to the chaos and strife that ultimately lead people to come to places like this because they cannot bear this world any longer.
I didn't appreciate one of the comments you made on one of my posts. So it's really a 2-way street. I haven't been on this site long and just because you've been here a long time doesn't make your ideas/opinions more important than mine. I'm sorry you've had a rough life and I can understand wanting this site for support. But, I'm just saying the bad you see in others may just be a reflection of yourself. Blessings.
I didn't appreciate one of the comments you made on one of my posts. So it's really a 2-way street. I haven't been on this site long and just because you've been here a long time doesn't make your ideas/opinions more important than mine. I'm sorry you've had a rough life and I can understand wanting this site for support. But, I'm just saying the bad you see in others may just be a reflection of yourself. Blessings.
Doubt that. I don't attack people I don't know in a hostile way unless they are attacking myself or another. Got enough of that shit as a child. Plus I refuse to use freedom of speech as a platform for hate rhetoric.
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Doubt that. I don't attack people I don't know in a hostile way unless they are attacking myself or another. Got enough of that shit as a child. Plus I refuse to use freedom of speech as a platform for hate rhetoric.
Those comments were on another post of the person I quoted. Basically he was bashing another member for being an immigrant. Claiming he was stealing jobs and needed to stay in his own country. There. Satified?
I didn't appreciate one of the comments you made on one of my posts. So it's really a 2-way street. I haven't been on this site long and just because you've been here a long time doesn't make your ideas/opinions more important than mine. I'm sorry you've had a rough life and I can understand wanting this site for support. But, I'm just saying the bad you see in others may just be a reflection of yourself. Blessings.
I'm sorry you feel this way. I do hope that I have not made you feel uncomfortable. There will always be assholes who want to rain on your parade, I hope you come back and ignore the idiots that are making you feel uncomfortable.
I'm sorry you feel this way. I do hope that I have not made you feel uncomfortable. There will always be assholes who want to rain on your parade, I hope you come back and ignore the idiots that are making you feel uncomfortable.
I am stable now. Would say I have my ups and downs, but nowadays it's more like I have my horrible crashes and stable moments. I was simply angry at that particular member because they were cruelly attacking another member in a very prejudicial manner. I simply cannot tolerate those who bash the weak or wish death upon others. It's unnecessary and cruel and it's a big factor in why this world is so fucked up.
Thank you for your kind words. I do appreciate them.
I am stable now. Would say I have my ups and downs, but nowadays it's more like I have my horrible crashes and stable moments. I was simply angry at that particular member because they were cruelly attacking another member in a very prejudicial manner. I simply cannot tolerate those who bash the weak or wish death upon others. It's unnecessary and cruel and it's a big factor in why this world is so fucked up.
Thank you for your kind words. I do appreciate them.
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