I have all my supplies

[Swisher]

Sorry for stupid question, but does"reductor"/"reducer" and "regulator" the same device ? I am a real potato at all this technical stuff, so I appreciate if somebody will make it clear for me.

Regulator usually means adjuster...ask tired Horse...maybe

 

[TiredHorse]

so you would set the guage to 15lpm?

Yes, exactly. Maybe a bit more (17Lpm?) if I were using a larger tank, just to be certain the CO2 is adequately removed, but 15Lpm is the recommended minimum flow and will make a 20cf cylinder last the recommended ~40 min to be certain of ctb.

A regulator typically has two guages: a pressure gauge, telling you how much gas you have in the cylinder, and a flowmeter, that tells you the rate at which the gas is flowing out of the cylinder. The pressure gauge is almost irrelevant for our purposes, since we'll be starting with a fully-charged small cylinder and letting it go completely empty over the process of ctb. The flowmeter is the important gauge, for what we need.

When purchasing a regulator, you want to make sure the flowmeter is marked in Lpm. If the gauge reads in Cfm only, it might not allow a heavy enough flow; that's very common, since 15Lpm is a very heavy flow for some welders and so not all the regulators allow it. If the regulator's flowmeter only reads in Cfm (it'll say on the dial face), look at how high the flowmeter goes, do the math to convert Cfm to Lpm, and make certain the regulator will do what you need.

Is this the same type of regulator you guys have:

Pretty much. There are a lot of variants out there, but this one is pretty basic.

Sorry for stupid question, but does"reductor"/"reducer" and "regulator" the same device ? I am a real potato at all this technical stuff, so I appreciate if somebody will make it clear for me.

I haven't heard a regulator referred to as a "reductor"/"reducer" --BUT, since the purpose of the device is to reduce the cylinder pressure to a useable and steady flow, I can see how the term "reducer" could be used.

Gas cylinders operate at very high pressures --far too high to simply run a hose off of one and into your exit bag or mask. What's more, the cylinder pressure changes/drops as the amount of gas inside the cylinder drops. All a regulator does is control the release of gas from the cylinder: it reduces the pressure to a useable level and releases the gas in a controlled, steady flow.

 

[Help_Me]

I haven't heard a regulator referred to as a "reductor"/"reducer" --BUT, since the purpose of the device is to reduce the cylinder pressure to a useable and steady flow, I can see how the term "reducer" could be used.

Gas cylinders operate at very high pressures --far too high to simply run a hose off of one and into your exit bag or mask. What's more, the cylinder pressure changes/drops as the amount of gas inside the cylinder drops. All a regulator does is control the release of gas from the cylinder: it reduces the pressure to a useable level and releases the gas in a controlled, steady flow.

Thank you so much, TiredHorse ! According to your description and the photos, providede by other users, this is all the same device with absolutely identical functions. I'm worried about that cause i never saw a helium regulator with an ability to release a gas in a constant flow (adjust the flow, turn the valve a bit and you're ok). Seems like all regulators we have are made specifically for inflating the balloons There is something like an additional detail, which needs to be pressed all the time to release a gas. You just literally have to keep this sh*t pressed with your fingers in order to release some helium. Ofc i am an absolute dummy at all this stuff, but i guess i need to search more or probably order a proper regulator from abroad. In case i wanna ctb, our helium regulators are definitely not an option, as i need to turn the valve and let the party begin in automatic way. So, pretty much, thank you again !

 

[Xerxes]

Farewell Trashcan.

 

[Throwaway563078]

Rest in peace

 

[Trashcan]

Goodluck @Trashcan. Hope it goes well for you!

I'd be interested to see pics of your setup.. I think you mentioned it in the first post that you would if anyone was interested.

I plan on doing it too with argon and are keen to see how others are going about it. I need to learn more about regulators. What type of regulator did you buy?

Thank you! Sorry about the late reply. I have what the snorkel looks like and what the face mask looks like without the snorkel. Then, as you can see, I put the hose near the snorkel opening. I then wrapped it up. I'll use duct tape to secure it later, but just wanted to show you what I'm doing.

@TiredHorse, my tank is almost full. I turned it on for like a second (it let out a noise and then I turned it off) the day I got it. It was dumb, but I wanted to make sure it had worked (I know, it was stupid). You've mentioned you don't have to worry about the other number if you have a full tank. Will I now have to worry about the other number? Did I fuck up?

 

[TiredHorse]

@TiredHorse, my tank is almost full. I turned it on for like a second (it let out a noise and then I turned it off) the day I got it. It was dumb, but I wanted to make sure it had worked (I know, it was stupid). You've mentioned you don't have to worry about the other number if you have a full tank. Will I now have to worry about the other number? Did I fuck up?

No, for just a quick burst like that I wouldn't worry. You've got plenty. And no, not stupid; completely normal. That said, be aware that you will need to have the gas turned on and flowing into the mask to adjust the rate of flow. This will use up a bit of gas --but keep in mind that it'll only take you a few seconds to adjust the flow, and we're talking about 15 liters per minute, so you're still not losing a lot of gas.

What will happen: You will turn the regulator's knob all the way to closed (the lable should say which direction that is); you want the knob to feel pretty loose, as if it's about to unscrew from the regulator. You will then open the tank valve. You might hear a short whoosh as the gas fills the valve stem and the regulator. You'll then open the regulator by tightening its knob. It might take a turn or two for the gas to start flowing, but you'll hear the gas start to hiss out of the tube, increasing in volume as the flow increases, and you'll see the needle on the flowmeter start to rise. Continue opening the regulator valve until the flowmeter reads 15Lpm.

Safe journeys!

 

[Trashcan]

No, for just a quick burst like that I wouldn't worry. You've got plenty. And no, not stupid; completely normal. That said, be aware that you will need to have the gas turned on and flowing into the mask to adjust the rate of flow. This will use up a bit of gas --but keep in mind that it'll only take you a few seconds to adjust the flow, and we're talking about 15 liters per minute, so you're still not losing a lot of gas.

What will happen: You will turn the regulator's knob all the way to closed (the lable should say which direction that is); you want the knob to feel pretty loose, as if it's about to unscrew from the regulator. You will then open the tank valve. You might hear a short whoosh as the gas fills the valve stem and the regulator. You'll then open the regulator by tightening its knob. It might take a turn or two for the gas to start flowing, but you'll hear the gas start to hiss out of the tube, increasing in volume as the flow increases, and you'll see the needle on the flowmeter start to rise. Continue opening the regulator valve until the flowmeter reads 15Lpm.

Safe journeys!

Thank you so much! I appreciate your answers more than I can express.

 

[Lra888]

I'll miss seeing you on here but i'm very happy that you were able to acquire everything for a peaceful way out. I wish you the best. Peace.

 

[Singing In The Rain]

I wonder how the body (lungs etc.) will react to argon when used as an asphyxiation.

Has anyone got any information on this? Does it have a taste? How heavy is it to breath in?

 

[TiredHorse]

I wonder how the body (lungs etc.) will react to argon when used as an asphyxiation.

Has anyone got any information on this? Does it have a taste? How heavy is it to breath in?

My understanding is that you won't notice any difference from N2 or He --except that He makes you sound like a cartoon character, so Ar might give you a nice, deep, sexy voice. The differences in molecular weight should be functionally indistinguishable.

However, one reason He was used, originally, was because being lighter than air the He would naturally remove itself from the lungs, leaving no trace in an autopsy. This reduced the likelihood of it being revealed as a suicide: with no trace of gas, and the apparatus removed by friends, there was nothing suspicious about someone in end-stage cancer dying in their sleep. It also reduced the risk of legal repercussions for anyone assisting such an exit. Ar, being heavier than air, will not float out of the lungs, it will settle into them, and would --theoretically-- be detectable. That said, I'm not sure how much concern that is for those of us here.

I don't know about Ar, but so far, from my flubbed attempts, N2 doesn't smell or taste like anything.

 

[Depressed]

Hey! I kind of have a stupid question. Why wont you just attach the hose to an exit bag instead of a mask? Wouldn't that be more reliable.

 

[Trashcan]

Hey! I kind of have a stupid question. Why wont you just attach the hose to an exit bag instead of a mask? Wouldn't that be more reliable.

There was actually a case study of someone who used nitrogen and a full face scuba diving mask. Another user on here is planning to do it with a full face snorkel mask as well (I got the idea from him). I also tested out the mask in water and it does not leak. So as long as only argon is going through the snorkel, it should be okay.

If for whatever reason this does not work, I'm using SN. I already have SN, but not the appropriate antiemetics. So if I'm still alive after my argon attempt, I'm going to order the antiemetics.

 

[Trashcan]

I'll miss seeing you on here but i'm very happy that you were able to acquire everything for a peaceful way out. I wish you the best. Peace.

Thank you. I will miss you too!

 

[crova]

There was actually a case study of someone who used nitrogen and a full face scuba diving mask. Another user on here is planning to do it with a full face snorkel mask as well (I got the idea from him). I also tested out the mask in water and it does not leak. So as long as only argon is going through the snorkel, it should be okay.

If for whatever reason this does not work, I'm using SN. I already have SN, but not the appropriate antiemetics. So if I'm still alive after my argon attempt, I'm going to order the antiemetics.

Have you connected your mask with a tank yet?
Can post some pictures when you have it please?

 

[Trashcan]

These are the photos.

 

[crova]

Thanks, so you havent figured out how to connect it with a tank?
You cannot allow any air to the mask.

 

[Help_Me]

I'll miss you, Trashcan. Since you was the first user I noticed when joined this forum.. I was reading everything you share with us. Hope you will find your peace and have a completely painless journey to the other side. If something's wrong, we are eager to see you again.