I have a dream (Hope island)

[Oblivion]

How feasible would it be if we collected donations from all pro-choice and pro-suicide people all over the world, to find a deserted island somewhere that is not claimed by anyone, even a 1000 SQM sandy island would be good, we build a small house on it and we declare an independent nation on it where people from all over the world would come for assisted suicide and suicide by humane murder (as it would be legal in our independent country).
I am willing to work on this for real, open to suggestions, donations would fund the travel of people to the island and methods, as well as water and food sourced from main lands.

The nation would be called Hope island, cause it would be the only hope for so many people.

remember that the best inventions were only crazy ideas at first mocked at by many, thought that its impossible by the majority.

 

[MrDarkness]

It is a noble thing, but assisted murder, is morally wrong in my opinion, no one should take an other persons life no matter what. A person should be able to die by their hands or natural causes. Just me tho

 

[Oblivion]

Okay so i aim to hold a physical meeting in September or October.
We need
1- A lawyer
2- A lawyer with international law knowledge
3- Architect and a civil engineer
4- Logistical chain expert

Anyone who is in, PM me

Let's make this dream come true

 

[Crono]

Okay so i aim to hold a physical meeting in September or October.
We need
1- A lawyer
2- A lawyer with international law knowledge
3- Architect and a civil engineer
4- Logistical chain expert

Anyone who is in, PM me

Let's make this dream come true

It also needs security guards to prevent the island from being invaded and taken over by anti-choice and anti-freedom activists.

 

[Oblivion]

It also needs security guards to prevent the island from being invaded and taken over by anti-choice and anti-freedom activists.

I'm talking about the members i need for the first meeting

 

[Praestat_Mori]

The idea is great but I doubt it will ever happen.

to find a deserted island somewhere that is not claimed by anyone,

I'm pretty sure all land masses are claimed by someone (states) already.

we declare an independent nation on it

To proclaim a new state and an independent nation it needs support from other existing states, in the best case all of them. But as there are no unclaimed land masses (islands) I doubt that many states would agree to that.

 

[Oblivion]

The idea is great but I doubt it will ever happen.


I'm pretty sure all land masses are claimed by someone (states) already.



To proclaim a new state and an independent nation it needs support from other existing states, in the best case all of them. But as there are no unclaimed land masses (islands) I doubt that many states would agree to that.

I doubt that all mini islands are claimed, there are even ones that are undiscovered yet, i'm talking about very very small islands, like 500 sqm.
We don't need recognition, only a claim and an announcement, this would give us the right to defend ourselves

 

[todiefor]

The idea is great but I doubt it will ever happen.


I'm pretty sure all land masses are claimed by someone (states) already.



To proclaim a new state and an independent nation it needs support from other existing states, in the best case all of them. But as there are no unclaimed land masses (islands) I doubt that many states would agree to that.

I just looked it up @Praestat_Mori is right, there's no land mass of any size currently not under the control of a sovereign already. Unfortunately. But it was an amazing idea!

 

[Crono]

I think it doesn't necessarily have to be a natural island, it could be an artificial island like an oil platform.

 

[Oblivion]

I think it doesn't necessarily have to be a natural island, it could be an artificial island like an oil platform.

yeh that too, to be discussed in the meeting, so far we are 2 and we need more

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I think it doesn't necessarily have to be a natural island, it could be an artificial island like an oil platform.

That's right! But to become an independent nation it needs ratification in the UN and from as many other states as possible.

 

[Oblivion]

I just looked it up @Praestat_Mori is right, there's no land mass of any size currently not under the control of a sovereign already. Unfortunately. But it was an amazing idea!

it can be a manmade structure in international waters

 

[CrestfallenMima]

I think it doesn't necessarily have to be a natural island, it could be an artificial island like an oil platform.

Have you heard of Sealand?

I just looked it up @Praestat_Mori is right, there's no land mass of any size currently not under the control of a sovereign already. Unfortunately. But it was an amazing idea!

There's a bit of land betwen Egypt and Sudan that neither country wants to claim

Let's take over this country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

 

[Oblivion]

Have you heard of Sealand?

There's a bit of land betwen Egypt and Sudan that neither country wants to claim

Let's take over this country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

i doubt a muslim country would allow having a suicidal state on its border lol

 

[Praestat_Mori]

There's a bit of land betwen Egypt and Sudan that neither country wants to claim

The Halaib Triangle? It belongs to Egypt! However Sudan also claims it. Anyway it's a nature reserve there.

 

[alonely]

tbh collect the donations from pro-lifers instead under the vague guise that we are creating the island to help suicidal people. let the pro-choicers and pro-suiciders continue to donate to wherever they usually would.

 

[todiefor]

i doubt a muslim country would allow having a suicidal state on its border l

No I think @CrestfallenMima meant the bir tawil. It's actually really interesting thanks for bringing it up! Some dude tried to claim it so his daughter can be a real princess…lol. It was struck down by the UN.

Upon further into looking this, Sudan is one of those places where suicide is straight up illegal, you can go to prison for 1 year for an attempt, and Egypt is proposing to make it illegal, that seem to be their way of combating rising suicide rates…

 

[HouseofMortok]

How does international waters and having a ship out there work, would it? And rather than doing the taking of life, they still administer it themselves. But what would be used, still have to get hold of medication.

 

[leavingsoon99]

It's a good idea, like self-termination clinics. The problem would be that some would have "moral" conflict about assisting in one's death. Another problem is life-warriors attempting to siege it and "save" people. I agree with you, basically. I laugh at the human moral compass that wouldn't assist in suicide, yet won't help the person either. Humans are demons. And their stupid.

 

[Oblivion]

Okay, who's in for a meeting in September, we have to start working on this