I hate the direction the world is going.

[Anon1337]

The rise of AI is going to be disastrous. Millions of people are going to lose their jobs. More and more people are going to be scammed and tricked into believing fake content online.

On social media I'm seeing more and more posts that are political, rage bait and AI slop. Most of these accounts are set up purely to make money from engagement. Often the people behind the accounts don't live in whichever country they pretend to be based in.

I hate how "looksmaxing" has become mainstream. It's toxic.

Governments are going to use this as an excuse to over-regulate the internet and enforce digital ID.

I wouldn't be surprised if suicides increase massively.

 

[LetMeOut67]

This place isn't hell
It's something much worse

 

[Aknu132]

The "happy ending" would be if AI wiped out the human species, but it will probably only help the system to do more and more evil, considering that those who control it are precisely the people who have been doing evil for millennia.

 

[byec560]

The rise of AI is going to be disastrous. Millions of people are going to lose their jobs. More and more people are going to be scammed and tricked into believing fake content online.

On social media I'm seeing more and more posts that are political, rage bait and AI slop. Most of these accounts are set up purely to make money from engagement. Often the people behind the accounts don't live in whichever country they pretend to be based in.

I hate how "looksmaxing" has become mainstream. It's toxic.

Governments are going to use this as an excuse to over-regulate the internet and enforce digital ID.

I wouldn't be surprised if suicides increase massively.

I know this isn't really addressing the full substance of what you're saying, but I do think "looksmaxxing" is a somewhat logical response to how looks-driven society is just in general. People will treat ugly people worse in every conceivable way and then be surprised when those same ugly people take desperate measures to be less ugly. Men over 6 ft are like 15% of the population but make up well over half of all CEOS and every single president since the 1980s. Movies have gone from being populated by like 50% models and 50% shlubby dudes to like 100% models. Attractive people are loved, ugly people are usually tolerated at best. By contrast, there's no end to what people will put up with if the person is attractive enough. You can get away with being racist, misogynistic, etc. I know a dude who openly says shit like "I consider myself a national socialist" and "I'm a Jew's worst nightmare" and goes in and out of rehab who has very little social struggles. I know a woman with DV charges and multiple peace orders against her who has a new bf every week that take her on nice trips across the country. My brother was a heroin addict with severe anxiety growing up and yet he never seems to go a long time without a gf (unfortunately we seem to have had some very different phenotypic gene expressions lol). If you get some people alone they will groan about their partner until the cows come home, but the idea of leaving them scarcely seems to occur to them. That's pretty privilege. Men talk about how deep their love goes or how "conditional" female love is, but how many of them would love their wife if she was 500 pounds? How many women would love their husband if he looked like Quasimodo? Lookism and halo effect are very real. I've seen it with my own two eyes irl over and over and over and...

 

[coolcow1289]

I think things are already really bad, and people don't even realize it. Modern technology has destroyed our standard of living and it will only get worse. I would pay anything to have been born 30-50 years before I was. So I could have became an adult before the internet and social media.

I know this isn't really addressing the full substance of what you're saying, but I do think "looksmaxxing" is a somewhat logical response to how looks-driven society is just in general. People will treat ugly people worse in every conceivable way and then be surprised when those same ugly people take desperate measures to be less ugly. Men over 6 ft are like 15% of the population but make up well over half of all CEOS and every single president since the 1980s. Movies have gone from being populated by like 50% models and 50% shlubby dudes to like 100% models. Attractive people are loved, ugly people are usually tolerated at best. By contrast, there's no end to what people will put up with if the person is attractive enough. You can get away with being racist, misogynistic, etc. I know a dude who openly says shit like "I consider myself a national socialist" and "I'm a Jew's worst nightmare" and goes in and out of rehab who has very little social struggles. I know a woman with DV charges and multiple peace orders against her who has a new bf every week that take her on nice trips across the country. My brother was a heroin addict with severe anxiety growing up and yet he never seems to go a long time without a gf (unfortunately we seem to have had some very different phenotypic gene expressions lol). If you get some people alone they will groan about their partner until the cows come home, but the idea of leaving them scarcely seems to occur to them. That's pretty privilege. Men talk about how deep their love goes or how "conditional" female love is, but how many of them would love their wife if she was 500 pounds? How many women would love their husband if he looked like Quasimodo? Lookism and halo effect are very real. I've seen it with my own two eyes irl over and over and over and...

It's a response to hypergamy, which is being driven by social media. It's a "logical" response maybe. But it's still Hell. It's still demeaning and superficial and a race to the bottom.

Men need to just stand up for themselves. They need to look out for each other. Instead of doing this insane pick-me dance for these women who will never love them.

 

[byec560]

I think things are already really bad, and people don't even realize it. Modern technology has destroyed our standard of living and it will only get worse. I would pay anything to have been born 30-50 years before I was. So I could have became an adult before the internet and social media.

It's a response to hypergamy, which is being driven by social media. It's a "logical" response maybe. But it's still Hell. It's still demeaning and superficial and a race to the bottom.

Men need to just stand up for themselves. They need to look out for each other. Instead of doing this insane pick-me dance for these women who will never love them.

Not to give a milquetoast fence-sitter response but I do think it's more of a two-way game than you make it out to be. Men do the "pick me" dance for women, for sure, and women do have the pick of the litter but lowkey women do tell me some wild shit about their relationships a lot of the time. Most of the women I know with extensive dating history have been sexually assaulted or otherwise abused, and imho men just aren't attractive in the same way women are so I don't blame women for not being thrilled with the value proposition. So many men I know basically just see women as status symbols or means to get laid and I've heard enough horror stories about men that I'm skeptical of this sort of one-sided criticism that I think your post represents. A lot of dudes also downright dread the idea of having to be emotionally available for women, or invest energy into a relationship at all and they are often not shy about letting that be known. It's p common for women to have something close to contempt for men and to not want to deal with them, but most women I know at least pretend to give a shit. Sometimes I feel like women suck, but other times I feel like maybe men suck more, but then other times... I also think hypergamy is a bit of an over-simplistic idea. Women have standards for sure, whether that be in terms of financial, educational attainment, social capital, etc., but when women go from one dude to another you'll find that they often aren't "upgrading" in a traditional sense. It also seems to imply that human hierarchical structures can be clearly plotted, and that we can therefore say definitively that any given woman is dating "up" or "down" when it's really much more complicated. As you've said yourself, women are in and of themselves often considered highly desirable (superficially or otherwise) but men don't enjoy the same often dubious distinction. Many women are sort of "dating down" by being with a man at all since most men often don't really confer any status whatsoever. For example, I was and still am a loser. I dated a woman for six years before she left me for someone else, but she didn't "monkey branch" or practice hypergamy per se because she left me for someone who was also a loser lol.

By contrast, the pick me dance is exactly what it sounds like: a shallow performance. Dudes switch up on women so fucking fast when they realize she doesn't wanna fuck them or whatever. So few of them are willing to actually play the long game to get to know somebody as an actual human being when they can instead try to rush as fast as possible to the part where they get what they want.

I also think that looksmaxxing is responding not just to women, but male expectations of beauty as well. What's the Clavicular quote? Something along the lines of "I don't care about women any more, I just want to mog other men?" Dudes who looksmaxx often have insecurities that go well beyond just trying to impress women.

 

[coolcow1289]

Not to give a milquetoast fence-sitter response but I do think it's more of a two-way game than you make it out to be. Men do the "pick me" dance for women, for sure, and women do have the pick of the litter but lowkey women do tell me some wild shit about their relationships a lot of the time. Most of the women I know with extensive dating history have been sexually assaulted or otherwise abused, and imho men just aren't attractive in the same way women are so I don't blame women for not being thrilled with the value proposition. So many men I know basically just see women as status symbols or means to get laid and I've heard enough horror stories about men that I'm skeptical of this sort of one-sided criticism that I think your post represents. A lot of dudes also downright dread the idea of having to be emotionally available for women, or invest energy into a relationship at all and they are often not shy about letting that be known. It's p common for women to have something close to contempt for men and to not want to deal with them, but most women I know at least pretend to give a shit. Sometimes I feel like women suck, but other times I feel like maybe men suck more, but then other times... I also think hypergamy is a bit of an over-simplistic idea. Women have standards for sure, whether that be in terms of financial, educational attainment, social capital, etc., but when women go from one dude to another you'll find that they often aren't "upgrading" in a traditional sense. It also seems to imply that human hierarchical structures can be clearly plotted, and that we can therefore say definitively that any given woman is dating "up" or "down" when it's really much more complicated. As you've said yourself, women are in and of themselves often considered highly desirable (superficially or otherwise) but men don't enjoy the same often dubious distinction. Many women are sort of "dating down" by being with a man at all since most men often don't really confer any status whatsoever. For example, I was and still am a loser. I dated a woman for six years before she left me for someone else, but she didn't "monkey branch" or practice hypergamy per se because she left me for someone who was also a loser lol.

By contrast, the pick me dance is exactly what it sounds like: a shallow performance. Dudes switch up on women so fucking fast when they realize she doesn't wanna fuck them or whatever. So few of them are willing to actually play the long game to get to know somebody as an actual human being when they can instead try to rush as fast as possible to the part where they get what they want.

I also think that looksmaxxing is responding not just to women, but male expectations of beauty as well. What's the Clavicular quote? Something along the lines of "I don't care about women any more, I just want to mog other men?" Dudes who looksmaxx often have insecurities that go well beyond just trying to impress women.

This is the problem and it's a result of social media. It hasn't always been this way.

 

[byec560]

This is the problem and it's a result of social media. It hasn't always been this way. View attachment 202234

I feel like you haven't really addressed the substance of my post. I pretty explicitly agreed that men tend to rate women more attractive than vice-versa (though I'm not convinced OK Cupid data is really the best way to measure this), but that the value proposition is also pretty shit for women and so it's reductive to paint it as a "getting women"/hypergamy issue.

 

[SASU-KE]

The rise of AI is going to be disastrous. Millions of people are going to lose their jobs. More and more people are going to be scammed and tricked into believing fake content online.

Old people are going to have such a tough time. They're going to get emergency phone calls from loved ones which are AI generated and just straight up send their life savings to them.

My manager called a meeting and then told us that if we don't learn coding and move into the AI sector, we're not going to have our current jobs anymore. Apparently I need to learn Python coding now. I'd rather be strangled by a Burmese Python.

I find programming insanely boring. It's either a love it or a hate it activity and I hate it.

 

[byec560]

I don't see how the value proposition is shit for women. Men are more attracted to women than women are to men. For women that's a great position to be in. Not just in relationships but in how society treats you overall. This is true for all attractive people of any sex. But as you see, there's more attractive woman than attractive men.

Any average attractiveness woman has plenty of options. The fact that most men are pathetic is a consequence, not a cause.

It's all about status. And social media is like gasoline on a fire when it comes to status. The breakdown of monogamy and marriage and the birth rate and all of it disproportionately screws over men. And "looksmaxxing" is just a pathetic consequence of that.

There's a "male loneliness epidemic", men are choosing to CTB at 4x the rate, and now men are literally killing themselves to look more attractive to get attention from women, and you're telling me this is affecting both sexes equally. And it isn't.

If you read my post you would know why I think it's a bad value proposition. I feel like you're less interested in responding to what I've actually said and more interested in your "woe is men" talking points.

 

[coolcow1289]

If you read my post you would know why I think it's a bad value proposition. I feel like you're less interested in responding to what I've actually said and more interested in your "woe is men" talking points.

You said, it's not a bad value proposition because women you know have been victims of SA and men you know are only interested in sex. Men aren't emotionally available or invested in relationships. Oh and it's really complicated and hierarchies can't be plotted. Even though they absolutely can because dating is done mostly online now.

I read your post, I just don't agree with it. It basically boils down to - this is also men's fault because they're rapists and suck as partners.