i get expelled from the suicide helpline of my city

[Akerblad]

they are the worst type of people in this world, never talked to me when i needed, never answer my calls, they always ignore me and the only that this stupid assholes can say is that i need to wait a psychologist, never help me in a serious way, even if i beg for help, the only way that they take me a bit serious is when i insult them, some day i really get angry and search for tons of gay porn and send it to them, and after several days sending gay porn they block my number from chat and telephone calls, now i don't have any fucking way to get help and i have no one to talk, that's the best worst thing that i've done.

 

[Peel_the_Banana]

I'm sorry but is it ok that I laugh my shits off that you sent them gay porn?

You're a fucking troll legend!


PS - I hope help comes soon.

 

[Apricity]

they are the worst type of people in this world, never talked to me when i needed, never answer my calls, they always ignore me and the only that this stupid assholes can say is that i need to wait a psychologist, never help me in a serious way, even if i beg for help, the only way that they take me a bit serious is when i insult them, some day i really get angry and search for tons of gay porn and send it to them, and after several days sending gay porn they block my number from chat and telephone calls, now i don't have any fucking way to get help and i have no one to talk, that's the best worst thing that i've done.

Anger is understandable, but the behavior you exhibited was childish and completely unacceptable. You've burned your bridges with them and now you have the audacity to be upset over it? SMH.

 

[Akerblad]

Anger is understandable, but the behavior you exhibited was childish and completely unacceptable. You've burned your bridges with them and now you have the audacity to be upset over it? SMH.

i don't gonna say that you don't have reason, but they never wanted to help me, they treated me negligently, ignoring me even when i begged for help and being aware that i have risk of suicide, and they never move a fucking finger to do anything, even having the ways to do it

I'm sorry but is it ok that I laugh my shits off that you sent them gay porn?

You're a fucking troll legend!


PS - I hope help comes soon.

well, i don't mind, despite seeing men getting his dicks in the assholes of other men, it was a bit fun for me too, it feels like a revenge, if i knew where they work or where they live, maybe the story it would have been not so fun

 

[Tamz]

i don't gonna say that you don't have reason, but they never wanted to help me, they treated me negligently, ignoring me even when i begged for help and being aware that i have risk of suicide, and they never move a fucking finger to do anything, even having the ways to do it

well, i don't mind, despite seeing men getting his dicks in the assholes of other men, it was a bit fun for me too, it feels like a revenge, if i knew where they work or where they live, maybe the story it would have been not so fun

What help would you like them to provide?

 

[Apricity]

if i knew where they work or where they live, maybe the story it would have been not so fun

Sounds like a potential threat to their safety...
Not sure why you insist on taking your anger out on these people; I can't help but feel like we aren't getting the whole story.

 

[nevinoven]

Sending porn is very funny.

 

[LostSoul1609]

Most suicide helplines are like that to be honest, they aren't the place you should go to seek serious help, just the place you go when in crisis.
It would be like going to ER asking that they treat your cancer, to be fair suicide lines aren't even trained to be ERs, so that's another reason not to try and seek valuable help there.
About the gay porn and anger, you should really learn to control yourself, you're in the wrong here, even if they behaved badly to you it doesn't allow you to be worst.

 

[Pure]

Suicide hotlines often get men who very clearly call in order to masturbate to women operators. Do you really believe that sexually harassing them (which sending unsolicited porn counts as) is something they would tolerate?

Despite the issues with the hotline, these people are volunteers and aren't mandated to accept sexual harassment from people just because they're suicidal. Sucks to say but you made a terrible choice and you're gonna have to deal with the consequences of it.

 

[Tamz]

Sending porn is very funny.

I disagree

 

[Deleted member 8975]

Suicide hotlines often get men who very clearly call in order to masturbate to women operators. Do you really believe that sexually harassing them (which sending unsolicited porn counts as) is something they would tolerate?

Despite the issues with the hotline, these people are volunteers and aren't mandated to accept sexual harassment from people just because they're suicidal. Sucks to say but you made a terrible choice and you're gonna have to deal with the consequences of it.

It's actually illustrative of the entire hotline concept isn't it? A bunch of rag tag volunteers ill equipped and relatively inexperienced handling the severest of interactions.

Imagine having a child conduct a hostage negotiation or a an elderly alzhemier's patient be a bomb defuser.

Yet the op is the real instigator here? The system is setup to induce rage in of itself. It's no wonder there aren't daily abuses to the point of hotlines shutting down or being replaced with actual qualified responders.

 

[LostSoul1609]

It's actually illustrative of the entire hotline concept isn't it? A bunch of rag tag volunteers ill equipped and relatively inexperienced handling the severest of interactions.

Imagine having a child conduct a hostage negotiation or a an elderly alzhemier's patient be a bomb defuser.

Yet the op is the real instigator here? The system is setup to induce rage in of itself. It's no wonder there aren't daily abuses to the point of hotlines shutting down or being replaced with actual qualified responders.

If you go to a charity kitchen and the food is bad you don't angrily snap at the cook and claim you're right do you?
The fact that you are suicidal doesn't allow you to bypass social standards and behave like a child.
"The system is setup to induce rage itself"
But since people calling are supposed to be adults they are also supposed to be able to manage rage when it surface. Even postal queues and burocracy induce rage, it still doesn't allow you to behave badly there. If you are an adult you're supposed to be able to control your raging instincts

 

[nerve]

 

[Peel_the_Banana]

While I don't disagree with pieces of some of these posts, what you're forgetting is that OP has an issue. Most of us are healthy enough to not respond in that way. Clearly OP is not. And he's illustrating that he is a severe case.

Then when someone like him shoots up the hotline office, people are foolishly looking around wondering "what happened?"

If a person is saying I'm ready to kill help me PLEASE. And no-one gets him help, are you surprised when he shoots up an office building? The system must share some fault in this.


I'm not saying they deserve to die, I'm just saying OP is demonstrating that he's an emergency case and they are not doing anything.

The system sucks plain and simple. Why have a system in place that isn't meant to get help to those that need it like yesterday?

@LostSoul1609 I don't want to put words into @atari's mouth but I understood him to be saying more so what I conveyed above. @atari if that is not quite what you meant, then my apologies.

 

[Makko]

Imagine being a random office worker and suddenly your inbox fills with gay porn. Welp, looks like someone guessed my plans for the afternoon

 

[Deleted member 8975]

If you go to a charity kitchen and the food is bad you don't angrily snap at the cook and claim you're right do you?
The fact that you are suicidal doesn't allow you to bypass social standards and behave like a child.
"The system is setup to induce rage itself"
But since people calling are supposed to be adults they are also supposed to be able to manage rage when it surface. Even postal queues and burocracy induce rage, it still doesn't allow you to behave badly there. If you are an adult you're supposed to be able to control your raging instincts

Except this isn't a soup kitchen. And the op wasn't looking for soup. The op has a problem. They are frustrated, When someone isn't heard, when it's really bad, and they feel all alone, they could do something like that. Trying to pretend a suicidal person should follow societal standards is the most laughable and ironic thing one could say on a site like this. Suicidial tendencies and mental issues in general bring a plethora of unpredictability and misunderstanding in communication.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

Sorry to hear that. I decided a while ago to be done with anyone who was going to "talk to me" whether it be a helpline, psychiatrist, therapist, etc.

I had to face facts - that they're by and large clueless and woefully inadequate when it comes to understanding real human pain, and especially when it's super complex and multi-layered as in my case. I'm big into cars, and for me it always felt like servicing a Maybach at a Jiffy Lube. Just never going to be good enough.

Good call on the gay porn though. You never know, they may well be into that.

 

[LostSoul1609]

Except this isn't a soup kitchen. And the op wasn't looking for soup. The op has a problem. They are frustrated, When someone isn't heard, when it's really bad, and they feel all alone, they could do something like that. Trying to pretend a suicidal person should follow societal standards is the most laughable and ironic thing one could say on a site like this. Suicidial tendencies and mental issues in general bring a plethora of unpredictability and misunderstanding in communication.

But you are still using a service right?
I can understand OP is a particular case but again why go to a suicide hotline in the first place in that case? Most psychologists give their numbers for crisis like this to their patient just for that reasons, so why? Again it's like going to ER for cancer in my view. They are trained (and very badly) to treat a very niche number of cases.
In society everyone is equal, even if you are suicidal if you need to use socially offered services you still need to observe social norms, being suicidal and in pain doesn't mean you can be a jerk to people. Pain doesn't put you on any pedestal.

 

[RedEther]

Except this isn't a soup kitchen. And the op wasn't looking for soup. The op has a problem. They are frustrated, When someone isn't heard, when it's really bad, and they feel all alone, they could do something like that. Trying to pretend a suicidal person should follow societal standards is the most laughable and ironic thing one could say on a site like this. Suicidial tendencies and mental issues in general bring a plethora of unpredictability and misunderstanding in communication.

Having a problem isn't a pass for such behavior. Yes we understand what is happening, we understand OP needs help, but they will still be reprimanded for their actions. Not given a pass. Understood but not forgiven. They understood it was something that shouldn't be dont hence why it was done as a "punishment" out of anger. It was childish and a bridge was burned in return.

If further help is wanted then I suggest going strait to the hospital

 

[Peel_the_Banana]

But you are still using a service right?
I can understand OP is a particular case but again why go to a suicide hotline in the first place in that case? Most psychologists give their numbers for crisis like this to their patient just for that reasons, so why? Again it's like going to ER for cancer in my view. They are trained (and very badly) to treat a very niche number of cases.
In society everyone is equal, even if you are suicidal if you need to use socially offered services you still need to observe social norms, being suicidal and in pain doesn't mean you can be a jerk to people. Pain doesn't put you on any pedestal.

OP's CLEARLY wayyyyyyy more than just suicidal, so I think your observations are missing the mark. All of the things OP is doing says he's NOT "normal" and incapable of following social norms. Yet you still require him to do so?

Do we get mad at psychotics for having periods of psychosis and doing things that are characteristic of one experiencing a delusional episode? That makes no sense.

 

[Deleted member 8975]

But you are still using a service right?
I can understand OP is a particular case but again why go to a suicide hotline in the first place in that case? Most psychologists give their numbers for crisis like this to their patient just for that reasons, so why? Again it's like going to ER for cancer in my view. They are trained (and very badly) to treat a very niche number of cases.
In society everyone is equal, even if you are suicidal if you need to use socially offered services you still need to observe social norms, being suicidal and in pain doesn't mean you can be a jerk to people. Pain doesn't put you on any pedestal.

It's a good question. I don't know what causes anyone to try and use resources that aren't too resourceful. Desperation to talk with anyone due to extreme isolation? Idk. Only the op can answer that.

I disagree about being equal in society. I think society is a spectrum. Most people lie somewhere toward the center. People like me are off the charts. Too far outlying to be swayed or understood/understanding anyone deeper in.

No one said anyone's on a pedestal. People get upset. It's a part of life. Not really sure what utopia you're living in.

 

[Peel_the_Banana]

But you are still using a service right?
I can understand OP is a particular case but again why go to a suicide hotline in the first place in that case? Most psychologists give their numbers for crisis like this to their patient just for that reasons, so why? Again it's like going to ER for cancer in my view. They are trained (and very badly) to treat a very niche number of cases.
In society everyone is equal, even if you are suicidal if you need to use socially offered services you still need to observe social norms, being suicidal and in pain doesn't mean you can be a jerk to people. Pain doesn't put you on any pedestal.

OP clearly has no where to go. Your post seems to assume he is going around a normal channel. But OP has not indicated that is the case. He's calling the only resource available. Suicide is just one of his many problems.

The ER is not a good example. The ER would at least provide the cancer patient with a referral to some sort of outpatient assessment. The hotline has not done any of that. There is a minimum standard that they should be operating within. It seems the hotline office is operating below that standard.

Many of us already know the hotline is insufficient for even a basic case of depression. So I'm not sure how anyone can really make the argument that it is performing the job that it was intended to.

If OP had somewhere to go it sounds like he'd be there in a heartbeat. He knows he's not normal.

EDIT: The triage system used in an ER is intended to differentiate b/w those who can and can't wait. This hotline needs something of this nature.

 

[Akerblad]

Suicide hotlines often get men who very clearly call in order to masturbate to women operators. Do you really believe that sexually harassing them (which sending unsolicited porn counts as) is something they would tolerate?

Despite the issues with the hotline, these people are volunteers and aren't mandated to accept sexual harassment from people just because they're suicidal. Sucks to say but you made a terrible choice and you're gonna have to deal with the consequences of it.

oh no, they are not volunteers, why in a fucked up country where almost the half of the people can't eat 3 times at day someone will be a volunteer to listen other people being same fucked up like them?

But you are still using a service right?
I can understand OP is a particular case but again why go to a suicide hotline in the first place in that case? Most psychologists give their numbers for crisis like this to their patient just for that reasons, so why? Again it's like going to ER for cancer in my view. They are trained (and very badly) to treat a very niche number of cases.
In society everyone is equal, even if you are suicidal if you need to use socially offered services you still need to observe social norms, being suicidal and in pain doesn't mean you can be a jerk to people. Pain doesn't put you on any pedestal.

i'm not using the service (because i'm banned, duh) and i don't have any psychological or psychiatric attention in this time (and i never gonna get it) seeing that you say "in a society everyone is equal" boy you're wrong you never have live a day in colombia

 

[Akerblad]

It's actually illustrative of the entire hotline concept isn't it? A bunch of rag tag volunteers ill equipped and relatively inexperienced handling the severest of interactions.

Imagine having a child conduct a hostage negotiation or a an elderly alzhemier's patient be a bomb defuser.

Yet the op is the real instigator here? The system is setup to induce rage in of itself. It's no wonder there aren't daily abuses to the point of hotlines shutting down or being replaced with actual qualified responders.

in the theory, they are "capable professionals" but only is very sad people who hates their job

 

[FuneralCry]

I'm sorry you were treated like that by the people from the hotline, I understand why you would be angry. I see the purpose of one, for someone to always be there and for them to listen to what you say. While a hotline would never do anything to make me feel better, I understand that it can help many. At the same time, I understand why you would be blocked due to the way you reacted. I wish you well.

 

[Pure]

But since people calling are supposed to be adults they are also supposed to be able to manage rage when it surface.

Exactly. If the suicide hotline is that enraging to someone (which I understand as I've used it before), the appropriate response is to longer use them not sexually harass operators who probably weren't even the ones who answered your call or chat message

 

[CatTheBus5689]

I really believe you are expecting way too much out of suicide hot lines, their job is to get you through an immediate crisis so you can live just long enough to get real profressional help.

Seriously if op doesn't like the service they provided go somewhere else, somewhere with real professionals because clearly that hotline doesn't have any. And while I can get a good chuckle out of sending porn I still think it was out of line and you can't really be surprised on how they responded.

 

[Akerblad]

I really believe you are expecting way too much out of suicide hot lines, their job is to get you through an immediate crisis so you can live just long enough to get real profressional help.

Seriously if op doesn't like the service they provided go somewhere else, somewhere with real professionals because clearly that hotline doesn't have any. And while I can get a good chuckle out of sending porn I still think it was out of line and you can't really be surprised on how they responded.

i expect that they can help me when i was thinking in kill myself and always they ignore me

 

[CatTheBus5689]

i expect that they can help me when i was thinking in kill myself and always they ignore me

Pre or post gay porn bombardment?

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

never talked to me when i needed

Suicide hotlines are a big part of society's answer to suicide. Volunteers who get all of a few days (?) of training in how to intervene to PREVENT suicide. I'm sure some (a lot?) of them mean well, but reports among the deeply suicidal are all over the web about how ineffective these hotlines are. They don't have the power or resources to prevent many of the things that make so many of us suicidal. And because they're just people, too, they get frustrated/exhausted, feel resentful because...

I never call suicide hotilines anymore. For many of us, they're like gauze tape being used to close a major artery rupture. Not going to happen. Wish I could take away your pain.