The thing is laws were in place before this app existed and if you were guys were encouraging people then you were breaking laws and putting yourselves at risks. I've been on here 3 years and I've never done any of that cuz I wasn't about to encourage people that are probably suffering but don't want to die that they should die cuz it's their only options. Some people on here thrive off like the negative depressive energy and you guys call anyone who don't want to risk their livelihood by getting arrested for clearly doing something wrong, people with actual morals cuz guess what depression doesn't take that away if you always had it, you guys call anyone like that mainstream or hostile or like anti-suicide. No one asks to be depressed and suicidal but it doesn't mean that there is zero hope for everyone. It's all about making choices for ourselves. Just because I want to die, it doesn't mean I have to encourage others to want to die too especially if there is hope for them. Not everyone on here lack hope. Some of them are simply struggling and it isn't forever. Some just need a space to talk and y'all shouldn't be pushing death on them and you guys don't even know how old these people are, they could be minors that you're pushing into ending their lives. And that doesn't apply for everyone on here because I know some people get it, but this site haven't really changed that much, at least not for me.
I'm not sure who "you guys" is meant to include, and I've very rarely seen anyone encourage suicide or tell others they should die. You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims about this site and what it's about.
Out of all my time being on this site and browsing extensively with the search function (keep in mind that I've been active on and off since around 2018 or so, well before I made my account), the ammount of posts that can be interpreted as "encouraging suicide" can be counted on one hand. Furthermore, the posters of these comments are all banned for one reason or another. Since you've been more active here, perhaps your experience is different, so I invite you (and those who agree with you) to share your experiences. Y
ou should also link these posts that encourage suicide so that the people who made them get their accounts terminated.
Yes, I'm well aware that not everyone is hopeless and that things can get better. That's why people here have a pro-choice attitude towards suicide and why minors are banned. That's also why there's a recovery section and other recovery resources. Are they perfect? No. But I'm not sure what exactly you're looking for, given societal attitudes towards suicide and our desire to take control of our own lives and bodies.
Not everyone can be helped here. Most of us who have seriously considered suicide have already tried recovery. I've gone through multiple therapists, psychiatrists, and counselors over many, many years, only to end up with nothing. A big fat fucking zero. I've tried every self help tip and every cbt abracadabra on my mind to try and ease the pain and trauma I've been through. I've gone through it all and then some.
Nothing has worked, and at this point, nothing will get better for me for that and a variety of other reasons as well. I've left out a lot of details, but the point I'm trying to make is that this site serves a very important role for people like me who otherwise can't escape their suffering. Since you're here, you probably fall under this category of people. So again, I'm not sure what you think the solution is. I'm not trying to be an asshole btw, I'm just hoping for a discussion.
Look, I'm well aware this site is far from perfect. I've suspected a couple users on here of being minors. Someone (i forgot who sorry) made a great case against the partner thread, and I think it should be removed entirely. I think moderation should be a lot less lax. There are also some not so savory users on here. Despite all this, I just try to take this forum for what it is and what value it can provide me i.e. a source for end of life options. I never encouraged and still don't encourage anyone to ctb on here, especially younger people. I'm just here to find information on my options, and maybe connect with a few users on here.
Also, the point I was making about the userbase is that there's a significant amount of people here who aren't respectful of others' feelings and don't try to show any empathy for others. People seem to forget that this is a suicide forum and that a lot of us suffer from various mental illnesses and traumas throughout our lives.
I've seen some threads turn into debates where people start to argue about the validity of a person's suffering or in some cases just straight us dismiss their experiences as "some incel shit", among other responses. Yes, I'm aware that people might not understand it, but why then do you have to treat them this way instead of trying to understand how they feel, or just not respond at all.
Some people also start to push the "you don't want to work hard, you're just choosing to suffer!" narrative on here, apparently not realizing that people don't just choose to needlessly suffer. Some people are just not that resilient in life. They should be validated and listened to, while as the same time gently pushed in the direction of recovery. Blaming them for their suffering is just going to make them feel even worse and make them even more resistant to change.
Another example I've seen is a woman talking about her fear of men due to past trauma and her experience working through it, and seeing some users take it as an opportunity to explain how it's men who actually have it worse, without even addressing the why the OP feels the way she does.
This isn't a competition. This person just wanted to vent about how difficult it is to get over her fears, they're not looking for someone to explain why her feelings are somehow invalid. She's already trying to work through it and recover. I (sort of) know how she feels because im traumatized myself. I dont need someone to tell me how irrational i am for having my brain and body react in a certain way around my triggers. I'm trying to work on it.
Lastly, people making fun of funeralcry annoy me as well. Say what you want about her, but she too deserves to be treated with respect. She's clearly very distressed. People should'nt make fun of her.
Anyways, that's about it. I don't why I wrote all this shit tbh. I guess I sort of agree with what you said but a lot of it has already been addressed anyway. I assume you've read the sticky thread by
@RainAndSadness titled "dismantling the allegations that we're pro-suicide"?
