I envy you all here

[Snake of Eden]

The reason why I say that is because I am certain that none of you have been subjected to the same level of religious indoctrination as I did. My religion has the worst stories about what happens after death if you are not %100 obedient. I will never be able to break free from those beliefs. It is what keeps me alive and you guys are lucky that you dont have the same fears so you can ctb much easier

 

[PeacefulTonic]

I'm the opposite, I suppose it's a good thing. I pray that I get a re-do in an alternate timeline or something. Obviously wishful thinking though

 

[A_miStake_of_NATURE]

I don't know if you're talking about Hell, among other things, but I'm scared of ending up there:):):) but I guess not scared enough…..
I'm sorry you're stuck here bc of your religious views and beliefs.

 

[AtMostOkay]

The reason why I say that is because I am certain that none of you have been subjected to the same level of religious indoctrination as I did. My religion has the worst stories about what happens after death if you are not %100 obedient. I will never be able to break free from those beliefs. It is what keeps me alive and you guys are lucky that you dont have the same fears so you can ctb much easier

I beg to differ. As you know, I am the daughter of the former leader of a violent religious cult. It was so sadistically traumatizing that I'll never recover.

I will also offer that there are ways to educate oneself on the doctrines we were force fed, the psychology behind it, the science regarding the nature and age of our Universe, and the philosophy of many thoughtful and logical men and women. There is a path out.

 

[motel rooms]

The reason why I say that is because I am certain that none of you have been subjected to the same level of religious indoctrination as I did.

Religious indoctrination of children really is a form of abuse

 

[FuneralCry]

There is no evidence of there being anything after death. Those stories are fictional. I am not religious at all. Anyway, it must be awful to have those fears. I hope you find the peace you are looking for.

 

[TheHatedOne]

I'm not even religious but I still fear death and after death like a religious person lmao.

 

[AtMostOkay]

Of the most detrimental kind. Entwines with everything. Add physical violence during puberty. I'm the quintessential preacher's daughter on my fun days.

Religious indoctrination of children really is a form of abuse

 

[Snake of Eden]

Religious indoctrination of children really is a form of abuse

It is indeed. My beliefs are part of my core being and no matter how I try to use logic to change them I fail.

There is no evidence of there being anything after death. Those stories are fictional. I am not religious at all. Anyway, it must be awful to have those fears. I hope you find the peace you are looking for.

I wish I can believe that they are fictional stories. It will be so freeing and i wouldnt have to be trapped her

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

I think this is a little reductive. You don't need religious indoctrination to fear death.

That said, I'm sorry you were subject to it. Organised religion is just an excuse to inflict pain.

 

[Snake of Eden]

I think this is a little reductive. You don't need religious indoctrination to fear death.

That said, I'm sorry you were subject to it. Organised religion is just an excuse to inflict pain.

No you dont need religion to fear death but unless you were subjected to the same level of indoctrination with horror stories about what happens after death then you have no idea what I am talking about here. I am saying there is a whole another level of fearing death if you cant shake your terrifying beliefs of what happens when we die

 

[AtMostOkay]

I think this is a little reductive. You don't need religious indoctrination to fear death.

That said, I'm sorry you were subject to it. Organised religion is just an excuse to inflict pain.

One does not exclude the other. But the absolute certainty that nothing but an eternal fiery lake filled with torturous demons snd maggots in your flesh, kind of paralyzes a child.

 

[Darkmoon Queen]

No you dont need religion to fear death but unless you were subjected to the same level of indoctrination with horror stories about what happens after death then you have no idea what I am talking about here. I am saying there is a whole another level of fearing death if you cant shake your terrifying beliefs of what happens when we die

The good thing is that you've correctly identified it as indoctrination. Why were you indoctrinated? To control you in life. You need to tell yourself that these people had tangible motivations for scaring you and that no one who has died has ever come back, so how can their stories hold any weight?

It'll take time but I firmly believe you can unindoctrinate yourself (having done it myself with other beliefs).

One does not exclude the other. But the absolute certainty that nothing but an eternal fiery lake filled with torturous demons snd maggots in your flesh, kind of paralyzes a child.

Yes, it paralyses a child. But now we've grown up, we can start to view the situation with a more critical eye. I'm not saying it's easy, but I am saying it's possible.

 

[AtMostOkay]

More than possible. See my thoughts above. I have conquered the demons that are not still required.

The good thing is that you've correctly identified it as indoctrination. Why were you indoctrinated? To control you in life. You need to tell yourself that these people had tangible motivations for scaring you and that no one who has died has ever come back, so how can their stories hold any weight?

It'll take time but I firmly believe you can unindoctrinate yourself (having done it myself with other beliefs).




Yes, it paralyses a child. But now we've grown up, we can start to view the situation with a more critical eye. I'm not saying it's easy, but I am saying it's possible.

 

[Death is beautiful]

I envy you because you have N :)

 

[Snake of Eden]

I envy you because you have N :)

It is as good as having wings but being too terrified of flying :)

 

[MG_39]

"and you guys are lucky that you dont have the same fears so you can ctb much easier"

But that's wrong, it doesn't have to be easier for someone else, we can have different fears.

A couple of examples:

Fear of failure,
Fear of hurting other people
Fear of the unknown
Fear of nothingness
Fear of not being able to do it
Fear of not knowing if ctb is the correct choice (A lot of pain someone can't cope with, but can it be better?)

 

[Snake of Eden]

"and you guys are lucky that you dont have the same fears so you can ctb much easier"

But that's wrong, it doesn't have to be easier for someone else, we can have different fears.

A couple of examples:

Fear of failure,
Fear of hurting other people
Fear of the unknown
Fear of nothingness
Fear of not being able to do it
Fear of not knowing if ctb is the correct choice (A lot of pain someone can't cope with, but can it be better?)

True I guess if you look at it that way

 

[BrokenHopes]

Hello. These people have some good stuff:

https://youtube.com/c/RecoveringfromReligion

There is recentely one about death and dying. Although I have not listend to it myself.

Im sorry you have to go through this.

 

[Darkover]

The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the mental discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes. ... This inconsistency between what people believe and how they behave motivates people to engage in actions that will help minimize feelings of discomfort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Hello. These people have some good stuff:

https://youtube.com/c/RecoveringfromReligion

There is recentely one about death and dying. Although I have not listend to it myself.

Im sorry you have to go through this.

The atheist experience is pretty good, as well.

 

[summers]

The reason why I say that is because I am certain that none of you have been subjected to the same level of religious indoctrination as I did. My religion has the worst stories about what happens after death if you are not %100 obedient. I will never be able to break free from those beliefs. It is what keeps me alive and you guys are lucky that you dont have the same fears so you can ctb much easier

I promise that with enough of the right kinds of drugs, your beliefs will fade as will your si.

 

[Snake of Eden]

I promise that with enough of the right kinds of drugs, your beliefs will fade as will your si.

No way!!! Do tell

 

[summers]

No way!!! Do tell

Went I went to get Lasik eye surgery, I was pretty nervous. Took one valuim (diazepam), and I pretty much didn't care that I could lose my vision if something went wrong. That is one of my two biggest fears, btw. I had zero anxiety or fear going into the room. Not sure if these are accessible to you, but it may be a start.

At the same time, maybe you could use drugs like this as a treatment protocol, to look at things more logically. If you aren't afraid of your religion whilst under the influence, then possibly, over time, you could learn to be free of the mental shackles that are holding you down now.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Went I went to get Lasik eye surgery, I was pretty nervous. Took one valuim (diazepam), and I pretty much didn't care that I could lose my vision if something went wrong. That is one of my two biggest fears, btw. I had zero anxiety or fear going into the room. Not sure if these are accessible to you, but it may be a start.

At the same time, maybe you could use drugs like this as a treatment protocol, to look at things more logically. If you aren't afraid of your religion whilst under the influence, then possibly, over time, you could learn to be free of the mental shackles that are holding you down now.

Good suggestion. I will look into it. Thanks

 

[BottomlessPit]

When I was a child I was taught that god could hear every single thought I have, and that he would judge me if I ever thought something inappropriate and sinful. I ate it all up, since I wasn't experienced enough to see through the bullshit. Teaching your child that he has no privacy, even in his own head, is just so utterly fucked up. Same goes for horror stories about life after death, demons, evil spirits, and whatnot; it's child abuse, plain and simple. Most parents who engage in this abuse were themselves brainwashed when they were children; they simply do their part in making sure that this millennia-spanning deception goes on for another generation. It's a self-sufficient system which endlessly propagates these ghastly lies and fantasies.

I can count myself lucky that my indoctrination only succeeded temporarily. For one reason or another I became less and less susceptible over time, and when I was 9 years old I was already an Atheist.

 

[toforigivelife]

I don't want you to die by suicide but, at the same time, when you are feeling suicidal you do not need the extra layer of anguish that fear of being condemned to hell for wanting to end your suffering brings.

This woman had a near death experience after attempting suicide and here is what she has to say.


Some scoff at the notion that there are people who have psychic medium abilities but then a lot of people have had verifiable experiences with mediums.

So, again, for what it's worth, here is this account.



From all that I can gather, from Pope Francis, to those who've had near death experiences, to those who've had psychic or spiritual contact with those who have opted to end their lives, those who die by suicide are not condemned to hell and many who have had these experiences have stated that he'll does not exist and that hell is a false concept utilized by religious leaders who think they are helping to reduce suicide rates.